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I'm probably not the best person to understand it, because even if I wanted to smoke (never had a puff before) I couldn't possibly afford it.  But read an article today that the price is smokes is rising 12.5% today, and has rising by that percentage every year for the last decade, except in 2010 where it jumped 25%.

Seriously, how in the world can anyone afford to do it?

 

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About $1.20 a smoke nowadays I think. 

It shocks me when I see people buy 2 cartons and have to hand over a few hundred bucks. 

But for some people with the money its no big deal, some who cant "afford" it find ways to prioritise their spending so they can afford it. I assume there is also a decent trade in under the counter cigs too if you know where to go. 

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Totally agree 100% Goughy
 
as I clean down my Pinarello and my Bianchi.  I also seriously don’t know how anyone can survive without 2 boats. I guess what I’m saying is you’re 100% right but it all relative to the lifestyle you want and are prepared to pay for.
 

 

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5 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

One of my addicted friends with not much coin buys an illegal tobacco called Chop Chop.

Is tobacco more expensive than dope yet?

Even 20 years ago before these astronomical taxes on tobacco, I used to see a lot of it for sale when I was working up on the Atherton Talelands (Qld's main tobacco growing region).

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People can afford it because they choose to afford it.

my good mate is a smoker, last week when we went away camping and diving We pulled into coral bay, he bought two 50gram bags of tobacco, filters and papers, & 4 ice coffees. $215 later........4 days later he hadn’t opened the second bag and we were due to come home, he threw out the remaining bag of tobacco, filters and papers. No doubt the next time we go out diving he’ll buy another bag. And bin what’s left on the way home.  His girlfriend is a nurse and despises smoking

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56 minutes ago, Peter said:

Cheaper than coffee 

I don't smoke or drink coffee, I assume if it wasn't for 30 years of triathlon I'd be a millionaire.  :lol: 

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You don't drink coffee? :o

Some of my family moved to some "off brand or coles type" cigarettes (like what were not considered a major brand) when they shot up at one point. Yup, saves a few bucks. 🤪 I lost count of how many times my sister has said she would give up. Problem is her inlaws (European/Greek) smoke like chimneys, even her mother in law, even after her boyfriend died of lung cancer...

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Smoking tax has probably achieved all the health benefits it is going to achieve. While it has done a great job, it is mostly a tax on poor people now, and as evidenced at some stage it just pushes people onto cheaper illegal smokes that are worse for you. I find it bizarre that smoking makes you a pariah in our society. And I say that as someone who has never smoked a single cigarette and thinks it is an incredibly dumb thing for people to start doing given we have known its consequences for as long as we have. 

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5 hours ago, roxii said:

About $1.20 a smoke nowadays I think. 

It shocks me when I see people buy 2 cartons and have to hand over a few hundred bucks. 

But for some people with the money its no big deal, some who cant "afford" it find ways to prioritise their spending so they can afford it. I assume there is also a decent trade in under the counter cigs too if you know where to go. 

I have no idea how much a packet is but are saying one cigarette is $1.20? 😧

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6 minutes ago, FatPom said:

I have no idea how much a packet is but are saying one cigarette is $1.20? 😧

Yeah, I remember a guy at work who smoked saying they were about $1 each and that was about 2 tax increases ago. 
He is another who really can’t afford it but finds a way to buy smokes.

Edit: looks worse than that;

Successive tax hikes from April 2010 have pushed the price of cigarettes higher, with today’s hike meaning a 25 pack of Marlboro Gold cigarettes will cost $48.50, while the average 20 pack will cost around $35.

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6 minutes ago, roxii said:

Yeah, I remember a guy at work who smoked saying they were about $1 each and that was about 2 tax increases ago. 
He is another who really can’t afford it but finds a way to buy smokes.

Edit: looks worse than that;

Successive tax hikes from April 2010 have pushed the price of cigarettes higher, with today’s hike meaning a 25 pack of Marlboro Gold cigarettes will cost $48.50, while the average 20 pack will cost around $35.

I used to clean banks & police stations with my uncle. He used to light each one of the previous, for about 3 hours each night. To do that these days you'd need to rob the bloody banks.

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A few years ago I lady  I know who drinks and smokes a lot went to retire. After doing her budgets she came back to work and withdrew her resignation. Seems her wage just covered her and her husband’s cigarette and booze bills.

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1 hour ago, roxii said:

Yeah, I remember a guy at work who smoked saying they were about $1 each and that was about 2 tax increases ago. 
He is another who really can’t afford it but finds a way to buy smokes.

Edit: looks worse than that;

Successive tax hikes from April 2010 have pushed the price of cigarettes higher, with today’s hike meaning a 25 pack of Marlboro Gold cigarettes will cost $48.50, while the average 20 pack will cost around $35.

Holy shit!

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6 hours ago, dazaau said:

I find it bizarre that smoking makes you a pariah in our society. 

I find it bizarre that you think that.

I will walk across the street to avaoid someone who smokes.

Its a dirty habit and an unghealthy habit. 

Call me racist but I have no time for people who smoke. Its also funny that the demographic of those who smoke are those that can least afford it.

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I dated a smoker once; kissing her she really did taste of cigarettes, but for some reason I didn't seem to mind or even really notice back then.

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32 minutes ago, IronmanFoz said:

I find it bizarre that you think that.

I will walk across the street to avaoid someone who smokes.

Its a dirty habit and an unghealthy habit. 

Call me racist but I have no time for people who smoke. Its also funny that the demographic of those who smoke are those that can least afford it.

Ha ha, case in point. In a society where anyone apparently has the right to do anything with "their body" and where judging is very frowned upon - anyone can still unload on smokers and it's all good - open season! 

Smoking is bad for your health but doesn't cause you to accidentally kill someone or result in domestic violence and abuse. Like other lifestyle choices / drugs of dependance i can think of.

By my maths they pay way more additional tax than any additional medical costs they incur, and will probably die early saving the taxpayer plenty. 

 

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7 minutes ago, dazaau said:

By my maths they pay way more additional tax than any additional medical costs they incur, and will probably die early saving the taxpayer plenty. 

 

Agree - and this is the conundrum.... If you were to ban smokers....all our taxes would have to increase..............though our medicare levies may not be as high either. 

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7 minutes ago, dazaau said:

Ha ha, case in point. In a society where anyone apparently has the right to do anything with "their body" and where judging is very frowned upon - anyone can still unload on smokers and it's all good - open season! 

But I don't have to gasp for breath with smoke induced asthma when I walk past the guy drinking on the bus stop. I've got nothing against people smoking in private, but when they gather in groups beside your bus stop, or you have to follow them up the street, it's down-right rude. They know many people hate the smoke or are affected by it, but they keep on doing it in public places.

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23 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

But I don't have to gasp for breath with smoke induced asthma when I walk past the guy drinking on the bus stop. I've got nothing against people smoking in private, but when they gather in groups beside your bus stop, or you have to follow them up the street, it's down-right rude. They know many people hate the smoke or are affected by it, but they keep on doing it in public places.

Are you sure that's not being a bit precious? It's hardly going to kill you. Diesel coming off the cars on the road is more worrying. It's banned from inside, banned from entry ways, banned from train platforms. 

If it genuinely sets off your athsema that's no good. But it seems you can deal drugs more openly these days than have a fag :lol: 

plus, I'd rather breath smoke than cope some abuse from some drunk as I walk past. Besides, I'm not saying I don't agree with harsh crackdowns from society on smokers, but it seems they are the only ones who cop it. Seems odd to me. 

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1 hour ago, dazaau said:

Are you sure that's not being a bit precious? It's hardly going to kill you. Diesel coming off the cars on the road is more worrying. It's banned from inside, banned from entry ways, banned from train platforms. 

If it genuinely sets off your athsema that's no good. But it seems you can deal drugs more openly these days than have a fag :lol: 

plus, I'd rather breath smoke than cope some abuse from some drunk as I walk past. Besides, I'm not saying I don't agree with harsh crackdowns from society on smokers, but it seems they are the only ones who cop it. Seems odd to me. 

But that’s not an ‘either or’ is it.  I’m not keen on seeing people with facial tattoos but their choice has zero impact on me, it’s their body, their choice and their consequence ( if they can’t get a job).

I am however, impacted by smokers. Whether it’s second hand smoke for me and my daughter, or having to cover for them at work whilst on smoko ( and before anyone chimes in with ‘ what about the coffee drinkers’ smokers do that as well).  Being a drunk abuser doesn’t mean you don’t smoke.

As a white, middle aged male, apparently I don’t know anything about immigration ( despite being a migrant and being married to one),  or race ( despite being in a mixed race marriage) in general, am the scum of the earth and not allowed to judge anything or anyone.

But guess what, I’m judging smokers. **** em. 😆

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15 hours ago, goughy said:

I'm probably not the best person to understand it, because even if I wanted to smoke (never had a puff before) I couldn't possibly afford it.  But read an article today that the price is smokes is rising 12.5% today, and has rising by that percentage every year for the last decade, except in 2010 where it jumped 25%.

Seriously, how in the world can anyone afford to do it?

 

My husband manages to. 😥 Lucky I don't drink, smoke, get my nails done, colour my hair, buy magazines, ... triathlon is my one and only cost. And with the races of late, it's been very little. Even pre COVID, when we sat down one day and looked at our outgoings, beer and cigs was more than tri, and I can't remember but I may have even been paying a coach then. 

 

8 hours ago, roxii said:

I remember when the bloke at the corner shop would sell us singles for 5c each as kids and he was making a killing off them at that price. 

I sold them on the school bus for 20c in around 1991.

6 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

But I don't have to gasp for breath with smoke induced asthma when I walk past the guy drinking on the bus stop. I've got nothing against people smoking in private, but when they gather in groups beside your bus stop, or you have to follow them up the street, it's down-right rude. They know many people hate the smoke or are affected by it, but they keep on doing it in public places.

Or wafts through the house into your wife and children's lungs, even though you're out the back with the door closed. 

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2 hours ago, Cranky said:

My husband manages to. 😥 Lucky I don't drink, smoke, get my nails done, colour my hair, buy magazines, ... triathlon is my one and only cost. And with the races of late, it's been very little. Even pre COVID, when we sat down one day and looked at our outgoings, beer and cigs was more than tri, and I can't remember but I may have even been paying a coach then. 

 

 

Never knew Daz was a smoker 😮

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8 hours ago, dazaau said:

Are you sure that's not being a bit precious? It's hardly going to kill you. Diesel coming off the cars on the road is more worrying. It's banned from inside, banned from entry ways, banned from train platforms. 

No I'm not. I grew up sitting at the kitchen table next to a smoker from a few years old. My late teens were spent at venues full of smoke. Maybe that's had an effect on me, but these days if I breath more than a couple lung fulls of 2nd hand smoke, I lose my breath and either have to race past the person in front smoking, or stop & wait for them to go. It's that or put my hands on my knees & draw big breaths. It can take 30 or 40 seconds of deep breathing fresh air to get my breath back.

Maybe it is "precious", but I don't like feeling like that.

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When I was young (late teens, early 20's), I was around so many smokers I never really noticed.

One day at work I saw a collegue put his jacket on the back of his chair.  Asked why he didn't hang up it in the coat closet and he told me a heavy smoker had put a jacket in there.  He didn't want the smell moving to his jacket.  I checked and the only jacket hanging in the closet was mine.  I was not a smoker, but went out drinking after work with a lot of others who were.

Tax hikes and quit campains have definitely reduced the number of smokers, also reduced how many cigarettes they smoke.  A lot of the people I now socialise with are triathletes, so non-smokers.  You can go to a Triathlon with 2,000 competitors another 1,000 spectators and not see a single person smoke.  Now that I'm rarely around smokers, I find even a whiff of cigarette smoke quite offensive.

I've never said anything to a smoker, or deliberately given them a dirty look, but I definitely make an effort to avoid them (i.e. breathing in / smelling the smoke).  I won't get in the lift with people just coming back from their smoking break and I'll walk on the other side of the road if somebody lights up.  I don't want to smell their farts and I don't want to smell their second hand smoke.

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@Ex-Hasbeen I feel the same way, I was a teen in the 90's and smoking was the thing the kids did - I think that was when 16 was the age to buy a pack. So they would use older siblings to them, or tell the shop they were for mum. I did not smoke. 

As for my parents, as a child they smoked in the house, mum put her foot down when they bought a house in 1991. Said smoking was outside now, not long after that she quit. She's been trying to get my sister to quit for ages. My dad smokes, but not as much as he used to. The one comment mum and dad make about seeing my sisters in-laws or my mums side of the family is how much they smoke! (and it's not like they have the disposable cash to be able to!)

Back when I was a teen I was kissing smokers, it was pretty gross. From adulthood smoking was a non-negotiable. 

It was literally a breath of fresh air when they banned smoking in pubs!

@Cranky how did you end up dating and marrying a smoker? (assuming you have always not smoked yourself)

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In my early 20s I used to smoke rollies. It was quite the fashion statement after playing rugby to stand around the bar  wearing RM Williams gear and sport a bushranger beard. 

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I remember at one of the Botany Bay tris at LaPerouse many years ago we were packing up our gear post race and the guy next to me says

”Do you mind if I smoke?” 

my reply was 

“Only if you give me a light” 

and we stood around with a few others having a dart and chatting about the race.

i have up before getting into Ironman training.

Also remember a few guys smoking at Forster the day after Ironman.

Have another mate that goes sub 10ish and has been known to stop for a smoke mid race. 

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I remember a young (we were both late teens at this stage) squash player that I regularly player against.  He was better than me.  He would cough up a lung during our games, and have a cig at every game break!  He should have been a much better player than he was, but something was holding him back......

I was out clubbing with mates from about 16, but they were my squash mates who were all in their 20's and 30's so it was pretty easy for me to get in (I didn't drink back then and was often the driver), and the smoking never bothered me.  For my 18th I went to the goldie with my skeg uni mates, and went clubbing down there.  Was perfectly fine everywhere we went until we got a place called Beach Road.  Was the best of the places we went to, but the smoje was so thick was like being in a Toowoomba winter fog, and eventually I ended up having a massive coughing fit and had to go outside.  Been more sensitive to it ever since then.

 

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3 hours ago, goughy said:

I remember a young (we were both late teens at this stage) squash player that I regularly player against.  He was better than me.  He would cough up a lung during our games, and have a cig at every game break!

Similar story with me. I used to play in a beach volleyball tournament and there was a guy on another team who would light a cigarette at the start of the set and stand it vertically in the sand and every single time he had the opportunity, he'd run over and take a long drag. Completely blew my mind.

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7 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

No I'm not. I grew up sitting at the kitchen table next to a smoker from a few years old. My late teens were spent at venues full of smoke. Maybe that's had an effect on me, but these days if I breath more than a couple lung fulls of 2nd hand smoke, I lose my breath and either have to race past the person in front smoking, or stop & wait for them to go. It's that or put my hands on my knees & draw big breaths. It can take 30 or 40 seconds of deep breathing fresh air to get my breath back.

Maybe it is "precious", but I don't like feeling like that.

No, not precious. I think that's pretty terrible, and growing up in a smoking household can certainly have an effect on you. Though obviously your lungs are/were pretty good! 

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1 hour ago, BNothling said:

Similar story with me. I used to play in a beach volleyball tournament and there was a guy on another team who would light a cigarette at the start of the set and stand it vertically in the sand and every single time he had the opportunity, he'd run over and take a long drag. Completely blew my mind.

I recall my first marathon, the great ocean road marathon, when the guy next to me enjoyed a cigarette before running 50km in a race. I was confused :lol:

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12 minutes ago, dazaau said:

I recall my first marathon, the great ocean road marathon, when the guy next to me enjoyed a cigarette before running 50km in a race. I was confused :lol:

Opens the lungs up.

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I have no idea what an average smoker goes through a day, but I heard on the radio yesterday that a pack of 20  is $35 and at that price an "average smoker could spend $12,500 a year".

That's a new bike, surfboard, ocean ski or kayak, few pairs of trail shoes, climbing gear, packraft and a few race entries, each and every year!!!!  (actually scrap the race entries, they aren't happening - I'll get two surfboards)

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38 minutes ago, roxii said:

The poster in my garage is the older one of the guys smoking riding the tour. 

I had the same at one of my flats in Sydney.

I had some training at work last week, delivered via Skype and the trainer was saying a guy on a previous call was smoking. The trainer thought it was really weird to see at 'work' and then remembered the guy was in his own home but it was still strange.

When we first moved here, we were shocked at how many people smoked but when we were last in Oz (2013), we also noticed that many more people smoked than we remembered. Maybe we were more in tune with it?

Vaping is the thing here, although that's dropped a bit. I have no idea how much that is but it seems to be the 'thing to do'.

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52 minutes ago, FatPom said:

Vaping is the thing here, although that's dropped a bit. I have no idea how much that is but it seems to be the 'thing to do'.

Thats apparently the next big lung killer. Do it at there peril. Idiots.

I have such an aversion to smoking that I could never have a poster in it with someone smoking. I also will rip up and through away a phot of me if there is someone in the background smoking.

And if by chance a butt somehow gets on my front lawn I can't even pick it up. I have to go and get my leafblower and blow it down the street or I have to use a lawn mower to get rid of it. True!!!

 

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When I climbed Mt Pinatubo, back in ‘99, our guide was this fella. 50+, smoked a whole packet on the way up, wearing his Filipino work boots. Us in our expensive hiking boots, young and fit, still couldn’t keep up with him. 

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