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12 minutes ago, BarryBevan said:

So anyone doing it and where do you actually lay hands on a gravel bike?

 Mr Tom Ritchey, has been known to claim that “all bikes are gravel bikes,” or words to that effect

https://cyclingtips.com/2020/08/are-all-bikes-gravel-bikes-testing-a-theory-in-the-pyrenees/

If I am just riding unpaved roads (gravel), I use my road bike. I would consider a "gravel" bike if I were doing something more hard core, but it's a fine line because I would then perhaps just prefer a mountain bike.

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5 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

So anyone doing it and where do you actually lay hands on a gravel bike?

Seeing quite a lot of them around here out on the trails.  Couple of friends recently got one (NZ brand but can't think of the name).  Running 43mm tyres I think at about 25psi plus single front gear and wide range on the back so that's the major difference between them and a road bike.  Specialised also do one with suspension built in to the front stem which looks cool.  They even come with power as well! Apparently pretty good on the rail trails (eg Brisbane Valley Rail Trail) and big in europe as you'd expect.

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7 minutes ago, truck said:

Seeing quite a lot of them around here out on the trails.  Couple of friends recently got one (NZ brand but can't think of the name).  Running 43mm tyres I think at about 25psi plus single front gear and wide range on the back so that's the major difference between them and a road bike.  Specialised also do one with suspension built in to the front stem which looks cool.  They even come with power as well! Apparently pretty good on the rail trails (eg Brisbane Valley Rail Trail) and big in europe as you'd expect.

the issue in Oz is getting one

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The NZ one most likely a Chapter 2 AO. I have a C2 Tere

Most major brands have a Gravel bike in the range, generally a more relaxed/endurance geometry, wider than 30mm tires, often can take 650b wheels as well as 700c wheels.

Often run a 1x gear system, no suspension, somewhere similar to a cyclocross bike.

Spectum is from a road racer with more tyre clearance to a hard tail MTB with tyre clearance we used in the 90’s.

CycleTips had a review earlier this year on the full spectum.

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1 hour ago, BarryBevan said:

the issue in Oz is getting one

As someone currently looking - this is very true.

Epic Cycles has a few in stock, but most of your bigger brand stores are waiting for limited stock to arrive.

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Also looking at options at present. Looking for an all-rounder that can do anything from bunch rides, to rail trails / river trails, to bikepacking. Obviously realise that specific wheelsets needed dependant upon use, so would be looking at some 650B for the rougher stuff and maybe some 30/32's for the road and lighter stuff.

Seems to be heaps of options when trolling around on google but haven't got so far to start to narrow anything down as yet.

Budget would be up to $3k (happy to get a second wheelset later) so would be keen to hear from others who have purchased and why.

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On 11/09/2020 at 11:55 AM, Ayto said:

Also looking at options at present. Looking for an all-rounder that can do anything from bunch rides, to rail trails / river trails, to bikepacking. Obviously realise that specific wheelsets needed dependant upon use, so would be looking at some 650B for the rougher stuff and maybe some 30/32's for the road and lighter stuff.

Seems to be heaps of options when trolling around on google but haven't got so far to start to narrow anything down as yet.

Budget would be up to $3k (happy to get a second wheelset later) so would be keen to hear from others who have purchased and why.

I got a JAMIS renegade escapade which can do all those things. I just rode 100 km into the Brindabella, awesome but brutal.

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1 hour ago, BarryBevan said:

I got a JAMIS renegade escapade which can do all those things. I just rode 100 km into the Brindabella, awesome but brutal.

Nice one BB!  Got a pic to show us the your bike?

Were you riding gravel or more like fire trail?

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On 25/08/2020 at 7:09 PM, BarryBevan said:

the issue in Oz is getting one

Not surprising given Gravel bikes is the latest craze. 

There are a few climbs in the Dandenongs that I'll do on my road bike running 23c's. Usually descending on tar but have also carefully descended the gravel roads too.

I've done a fair amount of gravel on my CX race bike, including taking in the informal Yarra River MTB trails and Westerfold's Parks formal trails.

Not sure the difference between these and the Gravel bikes though? Perhaps they have a more relaxed geometry or take even wider tyres. But if people can't source a Gravel bike, a CX bike might work too...

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35 minutes ago, Dalai said:

Not surprising given Gravel bikes is the latest craze. 

There are a few climbs in the Dandenongs that I'll do on my road bike running 23c's. Usually descending on tar but have also carefully descended the gravel roads too.

I've done a fair amount of gravel on my CX race bike, including taking in the informal Yarra River MTB trails and Westerfold's Parks formal trails.

Not sure the difference between these and the Gravel bikes though? Perhaps they have a more relaxed geometry or take even wider tyres. But if people can't source a Gravel bike, a CX bike might work too...

closer to MTB geo, tires now 40 standard and take wider with 650B wheels. Thought what I did yesterday was more XC MTB terriotry and I would have loved a dual suspension going down Mt Franklin Road which was like corragated concrete, with sand

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1 minute ago, Dalai said:

Thanks for clarifying @BarryBevan I hadn't personally looked into it as I've found my CX bike work well enough...

Next bike needs to be a MTB as my current one is still 26" and V brakes!

I like the gravel bike and it has its place. I wouldn't have wanted to be on a tire less than 40 yesterday and think I should have run less than 55 PSI, but I didn't want pinch flats

I reckon a 29er hard tail or even dual suspension would be fine. The gravel grinder is great when you had to ride 25 k on tar to get to gravel like we did

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Definitely limits with the CX bike. I rode a 4 day credit card tour from Lilydale to Wangaratta some years ago with the others on MTB's and really had to work hard to keep up on the most technical and rough tracks north over the back of Mt Stirling. But on the smoother tracks was perfect.

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22 minutes ago, Dalai said:

Definitely limits with the CX bike. I rode a 4 day credit card tour from Lilydale to Wangaratta some years ago with the others on MTB's and really had to work hard to keep up on the most technical and rough tracks north over the back of Mt Stirling. But on the smoother tracks was perfect.

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What is the pack out back?

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All Revelate Designs bags.

I was 11 days on the Mawson trail and carried all my camping gear in the bikepacking bags. I could have ridden a few days faster, but as I'd never been through the Flinders Ranges I included a few half days riding so I could fit in a few day walks.

Saddlebag - clothes plus food (supplemented when passing through towns) and stove.

Frame bag - spare tubes, tools and spare gas canister.

Top tube - small digital camera, phone, sunscreen and ride snacks for the days ride.

Handle bar roll carried the down jacket, tent, sleeping quilt and sleeping mat.

I did also wear a small daypack with bladder as I was concerned about the availability of water as the track headed through the Flinders Ranges, but was unnecessary as was able to refill the bottles on the frame and forks frequently enough.

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Thanks lads,

Dalai your touring set up is something similar to what I am looking at, so bike needs to be able to carry everything. Are there frame / fork specific mounts for the bags etc?

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@Ayto not with my set up. All Velcro and buckles with the Revelate Designs gear. For the cages on the forks it was just metal hose clamps over short pieces of cut inner tube to protect the fork legs. 

Picture below is on the local train to catch the Overland at Southern Cross station - took the train across to Adelaide return as was able to roll to bike straight onto the baggage car.

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Will definitely go lighter on shorter trips. I'd omit the day pack with bladder, less food and gas, less extra clothes etc. Also could use my bivy bag to reduce bulk too, but the tent is only 1.1kg so not a huge savings in weight.

This topic has got me thinking I need to do some maintenance on the MTB and am getting excited with the idea of heading out for a long weekend trip as soon we can go further than 5km from home.

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To be honest it was 5 years ago and can't find my packing list so might be a little out, but I think I had the following for my just under two weeks away...

Riding:

Merino cycling top, merino cycling socks, shy shorts, undershirt, riding cap, arm warmers, leg warmers, long and short fingered cycling gloves, gillet, waterproof jacket, sunglasses.

Carried: Spare set shy short liners with Chamois, may have has a second undershirt.

Merino thermal pants and long sleeve, merino shirt, Polar fleece 100 top, down jacket, wool socks, merino beenie,  pair (2?) underwear, T-shirt?, thin pair light synthetic shorts, Xero Z-Trail sandals.

I had started to add the trip details to my blog at the time, but was when my wife was going through her chemo so I didn't finish the second half. Might get around to finishing it one day... http://climbinglama.blogspot.com/ 

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2 minutes ago, more said:

Absolutely awesome!!!!! I'd love to do something like that one day

The Mawson trail from Adelaide to Blinman is a great introduction to bikepacking. The route passes through a number of towns for resupply, meals and sleeping if you want a few more comforts for a night or two. Plus signposted, route maps and a bus service from Parachilna so no need to carpool.

In Vic we have the Goldfields track from Ballarat to Bendigo which is similar. Just shorter at ~300km ride and is the next ride on my radar.

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I cant believe you rode out to the Flinders Ranges! I've driven there and there is miles and miles and miles of just...nothing!!! Must have been mentally taxing, or was the solitude and barren landscape enjoyable (I love nothing more than being in central Aus surround by nothing for as far as the eye can see)?

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I enjoyed the vast empty spaces, except on those days when it was a strong headwind...

By being on the bike I could get immersed in the surroundings so really got to enjoy the landscape; noticing the changes the further north and drier it became. 

I intentionally chose the South to North route so I would be gradually moving away from the city and population centres. Still passed through at least one town each day and stopped for a cooked meal whether a breakfast, lunch or dinner. Was a little more challenging going this way as the minibus only travels a couple of times a week, therefore I had to keep to my planned schedule to make it.

Given the route meanders, there was the option of cutting sections if i needed to especially if it rained. This can be necessary as the mud makes the trail impassable! I was lucky as I only had to deal with one section of mud and got through it slowly after hiding in a country school kids bus stop shelter. Photo doesn't do justice to how heavy the rain was at that moment of how bad the mud was!

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3 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

I’d like to ride this

Yeah me too although Im not sure if I would like to be doing it solo wbecause I reckon I would be scared at night time.  

Dalai, did you ever get nervous or scared?

 

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21 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Yeah me too although Im not sure if I would like to be doing it solo wbecause I reckon I would be scared at night time.  

Dalai, did you ever get nervous or scared?

 

Reminds me of a time I was camping alone in outback NSW and during the day had come across an old abandoned homestead that I thought would be cool for some night photography. 

Went there at night time and couldn't even get out of the car I was that scared! When you are hundreds of ks away from anyone in the black black night of the outback staring into dark windows your mind plays tricks!!! 

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@Surfer wasn't that bad, as when I stealth camped I found really good spots except the one night.

That was the night I had planned to camp in the Wirrabara forest. There had been recent fires so the trail was diverted out into open farmland. Still hadn't found a spot and night had well and truly fallen when the detour finally rejoined the trail at the very top tip of the partially burnt forest. I was able to set up camp in a young plantation just 100m from the dirt road, but wasn't well hidden like I would normally choose. Especially when tent makers add reflective strips to tents and therefore will stand out to any passing cars.  

Over the years I've bivvied in some less than savoury places around the world when I was climbing, so even this was luxury in comparison! :) 

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On 04/10/2020 at 11:07 AM, BarryBevan said:

Found my garmin edge to be a bit shaky with navigation, make a U turn after it missed the actual turn and it did this multiple times

Yes I've had a similar problem with my 1030. Ended up pretty much riding in a circle for 10min until I realised.... LOL 

That was using Komoot though. It was the second sub par experience with it. But I really didn't put a lot of effort into the route. Just clicked A - B and went for it. 👍

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2 hours ago, Jim Shortz said:

Yes I've had a similar problem with my 1030. Ended up pretty much riding in a circle for 10min until I realised.... LOL 

That was using Komoot though. It was the second sub par experience with it. But I really didn't put a lot of effort into the route. Just clicked A - B and went for it. 👍

Hmm  found komoot and ride with gps not great, but I am using the free stuff, maybe have to pay to get stuff that works

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I've read that the 520 could be a bit slow with navigating; processor constraints.  The 530 was suppose to be much improved.  Have you used the installed trailforks app?

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1 hour ago, goughy said:

I've read that the 520 could be a bit slow with navigating; processor constraints.  The 530 was suppose to be much improved.  Have you used the installed trailforks app?

Guess I have to say no, as I don't know what that is

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3 hours ago, goughy said:

I've read that the 520 could be a bit slow with navigating; processor constraints.  The 530 was suppose to be much improved.  Have you used the installed trailforks app?

I've used Trailforks. Not for navigation over a planned map but for the map itself. Only on the MTB in the hills. Worked really well 

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2 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

Guess I have to say no, as I don't know what that is

Trailforks is an app/website for finding and navigating trails, as I understand it.  They had an app you could download to your Garmin edge, but with the 530 Garmin actually included the app natively.  I don't MTB yet, but had a quick squizz at it.  Basically it has navigation/maps for umpteen thousand known trails around the world, and it's all on your 530.  So if ride with GPS and kamoot aren't getting the job done, maybe try it.

Obviously I don't know how much it covers down your way, but in my little Hicksville it seems to have all the known trails, even little short ones.  So might be worth a gander.

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