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Would you use a phone app to track covid-19?  

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43 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I'm tipping they'll tell you to mind your own f'ing business. ;)

I only suggest this as I did it yesterday. Asked 14 people at an open home I was at. 
 

only one lady had it running. But everyone was happy to give details including mobile number. 
 

I tell you, the general public don’t trust the way it was sold. 

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They've updated the app already to give it more appeal and promote the uptake numbers. Here's the first response I got this afternoon.  

Another trap for people who download the app. Beware!    

Hey! Can you provide evidence that I asked for proof? I'll accept an apology or retraction at any time Pete.

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3 hours ago, Peter said:

Oh dear. Don’t bring facts into this Chris.  People will shoot you down. 

The headline is dishonest. The CovidSafe app has identified contacts. All of the contacts that it has identified were also identified manually.

Which both you and Chris would know if you bothered to read the articles that you posted.

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3 minutes ago, Ironnerd said:

The headline is dishonest. The CovidSafe app has identified contacts. All of the contacts that it has identified were also identified manually.

Which both you and Chris would know if you bothered to read the articles that you posted.

Err. You should watch this then and pay attention to the technology expert 

 

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6 minutes ago, Peter said:

Err. You should watch this then and pay attention to the technology expert 

Did you even bother watching the link that you posted? The expert that you bothered to listen to Ben Grubb in the SMH says the same thing " The federal government's COVIDSafe app has not identified any close contacts of a person infected with coronavirus who had not already been found through manual contact tracing".

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dishonest-covidsafe-app-has-not-detected-a-case-despite-6-million-downloads-20200627-p556s7.html

The second expert, Dr Nick Coatesworth, on the link that you posted said that the app is working and more people need to download it. He made the same comment that so far the app has not identified anyone that the manual tracers have not identified. He makes the comment that as the number of cases rises it is likely that the Covidsafe app will identify contacts that the manual system can not identify.

I agree that the app has been poorly promoted to the public. However that does not mean that it does not work or that you should not download it.

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The second expert is a dr.  Not a tech expert. 
 

I wouldn’t want a IT tech expert doing a hip replacement. 
 

I wouldn’t want a Dr giving me advice on technology items. 
 

the It expert said its got Issues and not working. 
 

mind you, we all knew it wasn’t working 

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3 hours ago, Peter said:

The second expert is a dr.  Not a tech expert. 
 

I wouldn’t want a IT tech expert doing a hip replacement. 
 

I wouldn’t want a Dr giving me advice on technology items. 
 

the It expert said its got Issues and not working. 
 

mind you, we all knew it wasn’t working 

Dr Nick Coatesworth is only Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer and an infectious diseases specialist. What would he know about controlling a pandemic? 

Your technology "expert" has a 1 year diploma from TAFE.

When you say "we all knew" - you mean you think that you know with no evidence.

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I have the app on my phone, and will until the govt says I no longer need bother.  And I don't even like this govt.

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12 hours ago, Peter said:

the It expert said its got Issues and not working. 

Be interested to know how this "expert" actually knows that the app isn't working.  My guess is that he's read the same test results that I've read.

The fact that it hasn't identified  any additional case isn't surprising.  I doubt the app on my phone would detect any contacts either....mostly because I havn't been close to any people for 15min+.

BTW According to the last security test of the app that I saw,  locked iPhones have an issue, Android phones are working OK.  But that was probably a month or so ago,

 

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1 hour ago, -- AJ -- said:

Be interested to know how this "expert" actually knows that the app isn't working.  My guess is that he's read the same test results that I've read.

The fact that it hasn't identified  any additional case isn't surprising.  I doubt the app on my phone would detect any contacts either....mostly because I havn't been close to any people for 15min+.

BTW According to the last security test of the app that I saw,  locked iPhones have an issue, Android phones are working OK.  But that was probably a month or so ago,

 

The ratings are now moderate to excellent.

Testing data.

 

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18 minutes ago, Ironnerd said:

The ratings are now moderate to excellent.

Yeah I saw something like that a back in May but I've seen a report in the last week or so confirming the iPhone issues and that they could be fixed by updating the app to use the new API developed by Apple and Google.  The report stated there were no plans to use the API as the the time to virtually rewrite the app to use it was considered to the longer than the time they figure they needed the app for. Or in other words- by the time they complete the update the app would no longer be needed.

Based on whats happening in Vistoria that decision is fast becoming one that sounded good at the time but turned out to be brimming over with wrongability    

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"Mr Robert's spokesman said the Digital Transformation Agency, the government department that helped build the app, and the federal Health Department were working with Apple and Google "to understand and test" the exposure notification framework since its release to see how it could be applied in Australia. "That testing is ongoing," The spokesman said."

I think that the concern is that the Apple/Google solution cuts out the government contact tracers. This is good for those concerned about the government having access to their data. However the contact tracers are able to provide advice, answer questions and potentially identify additional contacts.

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5 hours ago, Ironnerd said:

think that the concern is that the Apple/Google solution cuts out the government contact tracers.

Given you currently opt in to sharing your covid safe info to the tracers, I'm not sure how big a difference it makes.

An extra step to consolidate data maybe.

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Even the Victorian government gave up on the app 

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Victorian officials stopped using the federal government’s COVIDSafe app for several weeks during a time of huge pressure on authorities to trace people infected with the coronavirus.

Federal and state officials confirmed the pause but said the state teams had resumed using the mobile app, just as the NSW government says the technology helped identify two cases in western Sydney.

NSW Health said on Sunday it had found two coronavirus cases in recent days through the COVIDsafe app, which had been used by a person visiting the Mounties club in Sydney.

 

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18 minutes ago, Peter said:

Even the Victorian government gave up on the app 

 

Might be one explanation why the virus got out of control down there.  The tracers ignored a potential source of information and missed contacts.

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16 minutes ago, -- AJ -- said:

Might be one explanation why the virus got out of control down there.  The tracers ignored a potential source of information and missed contacts.

once again.  It got out of control due to the security guards rooting infected travelers and also sharing a smoke lighter.

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20 minutes ago, Peter said:

once again.  It got out of control due to the security guards rooting infected travelers and also sharing a smoke lighter.

That might have been what originally happened but it still doesn't rebut my comment. 

No using every tool available is like a triathlete forgetting to take their cycling shoes.  Yeah you'll get there (maybe) but it'll be a hell of a lot easier if you had them.

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The more people that download the app the more effective it will be. There are roughly 25 million people in Australia and roughly 16 million smart phones. The app has only been downloaded 6 million times. There is no guarantee that all those people who have downloaded the app are running the app. If I have done the maths correctly the probability of two people meeting and both having the app installed on their phone is 6%.

Do you see the irony in criticizing an app that is ineffective because people will not download it, when you will not download it yourself?

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Perhaps if the Victorian government had been using the app at the start of the wave Victoria would be in a better position today. The clip says that the app was able to trace 100's of people in NSW.

Social distancing, hand washing, masks, etc are all tools to help stop the spread. Why wouldn't you use every tool at your disposal?

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12 minutes ago, -- AJ -- said:

If I could be3 bothered to go back, there were several people on here that said they wouldnt happen and we should just bloody install the app.

Ironcally, the APP didnt work and wasnt even used by the victorian government.

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15 minutes ago, Peter said:

If I could be3 bothered to go back, there were several people on here that said they wouldnt happen and we should just bloody install the app.

Ironcally, the APP didnt work and wasnt even used by the victorian government.

Did you read the article? 

If the police have reason to execute a warrant on your data, them knowing what restaurant you have been to is probably not the biggest concern you have. 

 

A spokesperson for the IGIS told iTnews that the “execution of warrants” was one such instance in which the incidental collection of Covid app data could occur.

“Collection is considered 'incidental' if it is not possible or not practicable to collect the data covered by the warrant without also inadvertently collecting COVIDSafe app data,” the spokesperson said.

The IGIS would not indicate which of the six agencies within its jurisdiction had "incidentally" collected the data.

The report also said that agencies are taking “active steps to minimise the risks that they may collect Covid app data”, as well as ensure data “is not access, used or disclosed” or decrypted.

It also found agencies were “taking steps to ensure any Covid app data is deleted as soon as practicable”.

Under the Privacy Act, agencies that incidentally collect COVIDSafe app data during a “lawful collection of information” are required to delete it “as soon as practicable”.

 

 

 

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So who has the app still installed and active on their phone?  Mine got deleted months ago because it was clearly a complete waste of time and you know that when it doesn't get mentioned in any of the State/Federal briefings they aren't using it either and just want it to quietly go away.

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16 minutes ago, truck said:

So who has the app still installed and active on their phone?  Mine got deleted months ago because it was clearly a complete waste of time and you know that when it doesn't get mentioned in any of the State/Federal briefings they aren't using it either and just want it to quietly go away.

I have it.

I run the app when in the office or CBD like today.  But not at home.

I figure if something does happen then I can question why it didnt work.

Bit like slamming drafters in races. If I'm a TO I can.

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14 hours ago, Peter said:

Pen and paper better than the app. 

I should say that I'm surprised but I'm not.  

The app was a great idea in theory but very poorly executed in practice.  Relied on too many services that it didn't have complete control over (e.g. bluetooth, location) to be effective.

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You need to go back thru the 9 pages and see those that said its the People fault for not using the app. 
 

yet they are all using the qr system and paper. 
 

its not the people’s fault. Its the Way they rolled it out (faulty at first). Then not explained well, and finally state governments not using it ie Victoria and wa. 

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I'd like to see though the numbers of actual transmission. 

IIRC the principle of the ap was it logged duration of proximity to another ap.  This was because of the transmission risk being related to duration of proximity. 

The large numbers of locations and times they are flagging now, which is bringing up thousands of possible contacts and requiring people to isolate is irrespective of duration of proximity to another individual - rather their "occurrence" at a location where a case had "been" during a time period. 

I'd like to see how many of those that this new method (using QR codes, rewards cards, bank transactions, CCTV etc) is picking up and requirng isolation actually end up contracting C19.  At the current rate of single digit cases (and 0 today even, of community transmission), I'd say not that many? 

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5 minutes ago, Turts said:

I'd like to see how many of those that this new method (using QR codes, rewards cards, bank transactions, CCTV etc) is picking up and requirng isolation actually end up contracting C19.  At the current rate of single digit cases (and 0 today even, of community transmission), I'd say not that many? 

Just one example I know, but one young guy visited the BWS at Berala, then went to rural NSW. Contact tracers identified that he might have been exposed (not clear if this was based on EFTPOS of loyalty card  data, but it was implied as one of the two). They contact him, he had no symptoms but got tested, and was positive.

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5 minutes ago, toolex said:

Just one example I know, but one young guy visited the BWS at Berala, then went to rural NSW. Contact tracers identified that he might have been exposed (not clear if this was based on EFTPOS of loyalty card  data, but it was implied as one of the two). They contact him, he had no symptoms but got tested, and was positive.

and 1 is better than none. 

But he had already done his trip, after going to the BWS on Christmas Eve.  He made his trip a week later.  Got the text and got tested when he got home. 

(speaking of the trip, it sounds super-dodgy.  A teenager does a 2 day camping trip that involves driving from Sydney to Orange, Nyngan, Broken Hill, covering at least 2500kms, with only 1 caravan park for 6 hours to midnight, 1 petrol station, and 2 gournet cafes listed?? Something fishy there)

The times for the Berala exposure was 21/12 - NYE? 

A week later, everyone identified should have bene tested. Cluster is only 15.  Thousands of people isolating is a very precautionary approach, and there's no way an ap that is set on different parameters could pick up all those people.   But it would be interesting to see how many it did nudge, and how many get +ve. 

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8 minutes ago, Turts said:

A teenager does a 2 day camping trip that involves driving from Sydney to Orange, Nyngan, Broken Hill, covering at least 2500kms, with only 1 caravan park for 6 hours to midnight, 1 petrol station, and 2 gournet cafes listed?? Something fishy there)

Dunno.  Young people do stupid things.  In my younger and much less wise days, I used to work all day in Wollongong and then drive all night to Brisbane (in those days about 1100km) rocking in about 6am.  

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I dont remember the last time I actually used the covidsafe app.

Its pretty useless for me because I almost never have the phone in my pocket.

When Im working I may be listening to a podcast or whatever, and the phone is nearby, but its not on me, so any data it collected would be flawed.

I do use the servicensw check in app though (which is now a requirement in NSW anyway)

Very quick and easy to use and the briefings have mentioned on several occasions that it is one of the main reasons they are able to track and trace so quickly

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Deleted the app off my phone a few months ago.

My phone used to be able to scan the QR codes, but now won't - maybe because I deleted the app?  Maybe I need to install the Service NSW app?  Anyway, when we travel my wife always scans the QR code & lists me.

Interesting in the Hunter Valley wineries last week.  We always scanned in with the QR, but some operators were also asking for our suburb, postcode & one even asked to see our drivers licences.  Mine was back in the motel, so that wasn't happening.

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8 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

Deleted the app off my phone a few months ago.

My phone used to be able to scan the QR codes, but now won't - maybe because I deleted the app?  Maybe I need to install the Service NSW app?  Anyway, when we travel my wife always scans the QR code & lists me.

Interesting in the Hunter Valley wineries last week.  We always scanned in with the QR, but some operators were also asking for our suburb, postcode & one even asked to see our drivers licences.  Mine was back in the motel, so that wasn't happening.

Just download a QR code scanner app

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59 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

My phone used to be able to scan the QR codes, but now won't -

I had that problem. 

Turns out when my phone did an update, it changed the setting in the camera that allowed it to recognise QR codes. 

I turned it back on and all good. 

Android (Samsung S10). 

Open the camera, go to settings, "intelligent features", 4th option to turn on/off  - "scan QR codes".

 

I don't have the ServiceNSW ap on that phone. But take a photo of a QR code and it goes online. (I don't go out much, and have it on my work phone)

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There are a few issues with the Service NSW app...  The sessio  expires and you can't check out most of the time.  Then when you try and check into a different venue, it checks you into the place you were previously.   Then when you check out of the old venue and try to check into the new one, it checks you back into the old venue...  annoying....

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On 09/01/2021 at 7:26 AM, Turts said:

I had that problem. 

Turns out when my phone did an update, it changed the setting in the camera that allowed it to recognise QR codes. 

I turned it back on and all good. 

Android (Samsung S10). 

Open the camera, go to settings, "intelligent features", 4th option to turn on/off  - "scan QR codes".

 

I don't have the ServiceNSW ap on that phone. But take a photo of a QR code and it goes online. (I don't go out much, and have it on my work phone)

Thanks Turts.  You are exactly right, mine had switched to off on my Samsung.

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