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7 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

I think Queensland should build a wall and make NSW pay for it

Nah it’s Vic, Australia’s Mexicans 

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Swab result - Covid negative. Just a coincidental illness. Means I can leave the house! Hooray! Have cancelled ambulance shift for Sunday because still feeling under the weather but back out again nex

On behalf of everyone else here on Trannies (apologies to those who I purport to be speaking for who don't share my view), mate, would you mind putting a lid on your intentionally inflammatory comment

Thought I'd check in with you all. Have to say I'm struggling a bit with redundancy, the virus and its knock on effects. Trying to stay positive but feeling quite 'isolated' over here now and starting

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As I said to Pete. They should still open the country up. It’s not a massive amount of cases and are basically same family from sunshine. It’s not as though anyone from sunshine will travel anywhere 

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2 minutes ago, chris said:

As I said to Pete. They should still open the country up. It’s not a massive amount of cases and are basically same family from sunshine. It’s not as though anyone from sunshine will travel anywhere 

KFC and back is a big day out. 
 

Yeah I reckon we should be 100% open. 

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20 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

I think Queensland should build a wall and make NSW pay for it

Will probably be as successful as Trump's wall that Mexico was paying for

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49 minutes ago, goughy said:

Will probably be as successful as Trump's wall that Mexico was paying for

Maybe Mexico should have built it. They had a total of 700 cases of Covid while the US was getting 20,000 a day. They now have 175,000.

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2 hours ago, Peter said:

As a Victorian, I think Queensland and WA and SA opening borders to Victoria and NSW would be stupid.  
 

Have you stocked up on toilet paper and hand sanitizer?

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25 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Maybe Mexico should have built it. They had a total of 700 cases of Covid while the US was getting 20,000 a day. They now have 175,000.

When you only do 700 tests, you can only get 700 cases max. 

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16 hours ago, Peter said:

When you only do 700 tests, you can only get 700 cases max. 

Exactly! Do what Italy did and stop testing people in nursing homes, it "helped" their stats enourmously!

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I would not be surprised if NSW wants to shut the border to Victoria but as someone who lives on the Murray I really hope they don't.  It would make life extremely difficult here!

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22 minutes ago, Toolish said:

I would not be surprised if NSW wants to shut the border to Victoria but as someone who lives on the Murray I really hope they don't.  It would make life extremely difficult here!

It's not that bad. On the GC there are a lot of people that travel back & forward every day. I assume there'd be a lot less traffic where you are, so the 10 minute wait on the GC border would be a lot less where you are. 

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7 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

It's not that bad. On the GC there are a lot of people that travel back & forward every day. I assume there'd be a lot less traffic where you are, so the 10 minute wait on the GC border would be a lot less where you are. 

Yeah, it depends how they execute it (if it happens!).  We have 1 bridge to cross the river for about a 120km stretch of river (and the next nearest bridge to that is 1 lane only with lights controlling traffic flow) so it gets a fairly good amount of traffic.  When there is a booze bus on the bridge they have to waive through 75% of the traffic or it backs up into the roundabouts at either end.

 

Our LGA has not had a true active case since April so I hope they can split us by LGA somehow!

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On 18/06/2020 at 5:00 AM, BarryBevan said:

Flights booked, so no campaigning to get the 14 days extended!

This from the Chief Medical Officer today.

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We are reviewing our national strategy in hotel quarantine over the coming weeks, the military has been a resource the Prime Minister has offered to each state and territory through the pandemic whenever they need help, the ADF has been there, they set up Howard Springs quarantine in Darwin and ran it extremely well, they have been a great resource, at the moment no state or territory needs the resource but that offers there.

At least a remote accommodation village in the NT will be warm this time of year. ;)

 

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23 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Maybe Mexico should have built it. They had a total of 700 cases of Covid while the US was getting 20,000 a day. They now have 175,000.

Indeed, Mexico only had 12 deaths at that time (end of March) the US had lost 3,170 citizens to Covid 

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23 hours ago, Peter said:

When you only do 700 tests, you can only get 700 cases max. 

They're still hardly testing, and they have 180K cases. They had a positive test ratio of over 95% yesterday. That was 5343 cases out of 5576 tests. It compares to their overall ratio of about 38% positive tests. One can only wonder how many people really have the disease in countries like that.

In Aus, we have an overall ratio of about 0.35% positive tests, and for the last few days, even during this slight upsurge (relative) Victoria has been getting less than 0.2% positive results from the tests.

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What I’m struggling to understand is how nsw and qld didn’t have one rogue person with it disregard everything. 
 

Our current outbreak is all related back to one family. Son went to work at a shopping centre.  Uncle is a teacher and went 3 days in a row whilst sick. 
 

yet everyone that got it at cedar meats has done the right thing and their families locked down. 
 

or as someone said back in the early pages.  There are people out there that aren’t tested and have it. 
the old you can’t test positive if you don’t get tested. 

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7 minutes ago, Peter said:

What I’m struggling to understand is how nsw and qld didn’t have one rogue person with it disregard everything. 

Warmer weather and Rum?

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10 minutes ago, Peter said:

yet everyone that got it at cedar meats has done the right thing and their families locked down. 

Maybe everyone that got it did the right thing, but the system, be it health or the company, didn't. Over 100 people contracted it from that cluster. And I'd expect some of those that were sick were still working till it was too obvious. If they were contractors, taking a day off sick may mean no pay.

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Some testing stats for those that are interested. The base data comes from Worldometer, so if inaccurate, blame them. I've highlighted the Central/Sth American countries. Also added in Aus to show the very low positive test results we are getting here.

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Testing numbers are bullshit. People need to stop looking at them 

its not like here where you get tested for free.  If you have a sniffle here you go get tested for free. 
 

but its not Like that elsewhere 
 

quick google of Texas Covid testing. 
 

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Primacare Medical Centers locations offer curbside COVID-19 testing at many locations. A physician will perform an assessment during your visit and, if needed, give you a COVID-19 test. Some locations offer rapid testing, which means you’ll have a result in 15 minutes.

Primacare says that it works with patients who don’t have insurance and that a typical visit to its center is an average of $250. Appointments are required and can be made online for any of its 10 North Texas locations.

Sinai Urgent Care is offering COVID-testing at all of its locations to anyone who requests a test. Results are available in two to four days. Without insurance, the cost of a visit for COVID-19 testing is $299. Appointments are required for a test and can be made online.

Legacy ER and Urgent Care offers COVID-19 tests to people who are experiencing symptoms. Appointments are not required. Visits cost $314 without insurance, and results come back within four or five days. There are six locations in North Texas.


 

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And I’m sure you could see in South Korea and Brazil etc..  not everywhere is free. 
 

if tests were $500 here as the exchange rate works for the USA testing as per above, I wouldn’t bother getting checked.  So many yanks must be the same. 

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43 minutes ago, chris said:

i heard it cost about 1000 AUD per test. I wish i had shares in the labs

That's surely absurd! The test kits Minderoo bought on behalf of the government were $200m for $10m tests, so $20 each. I know they need to me administered and processed but no way is it costing 1k. If it can be done in the US for $50 you can be sure we aren't paying anywhere close to 1k.

 

In other news by boss went to get tested today in Vic (he has a fever and cold symptoms) and was told they were all closed due to too much demand, or something like that. Apparently got turned away. So no test yet. I don't understand how that is possible...

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44 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

I have a mate living in Lubbock Texas who was tested, he told me his drive-through test was free.

Everything I’ve read says only nyc is free testing in the USA 

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8 minutes ago, Peter said:

Everything I’ve read says only nyc is free testing in the USA 

Peter, Did you get your quote from the Dallas Morning News? If so, just read the rest of the article. You picked out about the only health providers that are charging out of dozens.

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Here in the west the restrictions have loosened again 😀

You can have a beer while standing up.

The number of people at any venue is capped at 1 person per 2 square metre. This rule will be scrapped July 18th.

Live performances are back on

Stadiums can operate at 50% capacity

The casino will reopen.

24 hour gyms no longer have to be staffed 24/7

Disease ridden eastern staters are still not allowed in.

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11 minutes ago, Ironnerd said:

Here in the west the restrictions have loosened again 😀

You can have a beer while standing up.

What? just one?  Thought you said they were easing restrictions.  

 

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19 minutes ago, Ironnerd said:

Here in the west the restrictions have loosened again 😀

You can have a beer while standing up.

The number of people at any venue is capped at 1 person per 2 square metre. This rule will be scrapped July 18th.

Live performances are back on

Stadiums can operate at 50% capacity

The casino will reopen.

24 hour gyms no longer have to be staffed 24/7

Disease ridden eastern staters are still not allowed in.

Yeah.  I wish my gym was open at lunchtime  they shut at 11 and don’t open until 3.  It sucks I tell ya 

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15 minutes ago, -- AJ -- said:

What? just one?  Thought you said they were easing restrictions.  

 

Correction - you can drink beer while standing until passing out and falling down.

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Talk in melbourne is the grand final will be played there so they have a crowd. 
 

and at the same time Gil and his afl heavyweights can bring the virus back into wa. 

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3 hours ago, Peter said:

Everything I’ve read says only nyc is free testing in the USA 

 

5 hours ago, Peter said:

Testing numbers are bullshit. People need to stop looking at them 

its not like here where you get tested for free.  If you have a sniffle here you go get tested for free. 
 

but its not Like that elsewhere 
 

quick google of Texas Covid testing. 
 


 

Peter I just checked “free COVID testing Texas” with Google and there’s heaps of free options. Yes some require a $20 to $40 phone interview with a gp first but that just seems to be if you want to avoid queuing. The public medical centres are all free.

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3 hours ago, Ironnerd said:

Here in the west the restrictions have loosened again 😀

You can have a beer while standing up.

The number of people at any venue is capped at 1 person per 2 square metre. This rule will be scrapped July 18th.

Live performances are back on

Stadiums can operate at 50% capacity

The casino will reopen.

24 hour gyms no longer have to be staffed 24/7

Disease ridden eastern staters are still not allowed in.

In VIC gyms just opened and with 24hr access

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6 hours ago, Peter said:

Testing numbers are bullshit. People need to stop looking at them 

its not like here where you get tested for free.  If you have a sniffle here you go get tested for free.
 

Testing numbers (both number and % of positive tests) can reveal meaningful data.

https://time.com/5854572/covid-19-testing-florida-texas-arizona/

There's no reason to stop looking at them. Like any data, they require context and appropriate analysis.

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10 minutes ago, Paul Every said:

Testing numbers (both number and % of positive tests) can reveal meaningful data.

https://time.com/5854572/covid-19-testing-florida-texas-arizona/

There's no reason to stop looking at them. Like any data, they require context and appropriate analysis.

In nations with lower testing, excess deaths could be considered?

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11 hours ago, chris said:

And no restrictions from 18 July 

60,000 allowed in Optus. With the border closed no one can actually come to use it

So will 60,000 watch two teams from the WAFL play? Maybe the West Coast Eagles could play the Fremantle Dockers every weekend and then a WA team may get a win 🙂 Of course they could draw.

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10 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

In nations with lower testing, excess deaths could be considered?

The data is there and has been reviewed, and seems legit. I think they did it for New York. 

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28 minutes ago, Mr Flower said:

So will 60,000 watch two teams from the WAFL play? Maybe the West Coast Eagles could play the Fremantle Dockers every weekend and then a WA team may get a win 🙂 Of course they could draw.

I hate the game so don’t care. The under 9a could play for all I care

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12 hours ago, Fitness Buddy said:

In VIC gyms just opened and with 24hr access

Just been to the gym for a swim in VIC

NFI how they can have 170 in there. But thats what the signs say.

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I have to wonder what the end game is for Australia.

For example.  WA & SA. Great job. In theory have eradicated the virus.

But do they become like North Korea until the mystery vaccine is created? Just locked down from everyone else?

That could be 1-2 years or maybe never.

When will they say, yeah its okay to go to bali or Hawaii or even Victoria? Never? Surely that can't go on for years can it?

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27 minutes ago, Peter said:

Just been to the gym for a swim in VIC

NFI how they can have 170 in there. But thats what the signs say.

If they've got 700 square metres of space then apparently Yes they can.  

But the old adage ring true here

"Just because you can do something...Should you?"

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30 minutes ago, Peter said:

I have to wonder what the end game is for Australia.

For example.  WA & SA. Great job. In theory have eradicated the virus.

But do they become like North Korea until the mystery vaccine is created? Just locked down from everyone else?

That could be 1-2 years or maybe never.

When will they say, yeah its okay to go to bali or Hawaii or even Victoria? Never? Surely that can't go on for years can it?

No one can claim they have eradicated the virus. 
The medical experts say that overseas travel won’t occur until possibly mid next year.  

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4 hours ago, Mr Flower said:

So will 60,000 watch two teams from the WAFL play? Maybe the West Coast Eagles could play the Fremantle Dockers every weekend and then a WA team may get a win 🙂 Of course they could draw.

When I was a footy mad teenager there would be 40,000 screaming fans at Subi for a WAFL match, those days are long gone.

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1 hour ago, Peter said:

I have to wonder what the end game is for Australia.

For example.  WA & SA. Great job. In theory have eradicated the virus.

But do they become like North Korea until the mystery vaccine is created? Just locked down from everyone else?

That could be 1-2 years or maybe never.

When will they say, yeah its okay to go to bali or Hawaii or even Victoria? Never? Surely that can't go on for years can it?

You are correct as I said two weeks back and got shot down in flames

the end game was to flatten the curve and not eradicate but we have almost done that. There is no plan b to speak of.

I actually believe those countries that have flattened the curve and will just live with will be in a better position long term and will have more freedom.

we will maybe ****ed and locked in.

this will kill our economy 

 

 

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2 hours ago, chris said:

You are correct as I said two weeks back and got shot down in flames

the end game was to flatten the curve and not eradicate but we have almost done that. There is no plan b to speak of.

I actually believe those countries that have flattened the curve and will just live with will be in a better position long term and will have more freedom.

we will maybe ****ed and locked in.

this will kill our economy 

 

 

From about 6 weeks ago...

 

 

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What exactly are we (Western Australia) missing out on by keeping our borders closed that is of vital importance?  Freight is getting through.  People can travel here if they have a reason and are prepared to isolate or have an exemption (of which there are many.)  I'm certainly not seeing or hearing of many businesses that are suffering due to the border restrictions.

Yes there is a loss of tourism but where would you think would be a safe option to get tourists from?  Who is taking significant holidays at this uncertain time?  And why would you risk the loss of most industries in the event there was a big outbreak for the benefit of just one which is naturally in a reduced capacity at this time?

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6 hours ago, Peter said:

I have to wonder what the end game is for Australia.

For example.  WA & SA. Great job. In theory have eradicated the virus.

But do they become like North Korea until the mystery vaccine is created? Just locked down from everyone else?

That could be 1-2 years or maybe never.

When will they say, yeah its okay to go to bali or Hawaii or even Victoria? Never? Surely that can't go on for years can it?

Sort of. Phase 5 restrictions from July 18 include the unveiling of an 23 metre tall statue of Mark McGowan at Elizabeth Quay.

The current government decisions are pretty popular over here. McGowan was interviewed on ABC radio this morning and spoke extensively about the easing of restrictions and the plan ahead for WA. The radio hosts were reluctant to read out listener text messages for fear they'd be criticised of bias, as they were about 90 or 95% in support of MacGowan's decisions*. Chris should have taken the opportunity to message in. He would stood a good chance to have his opinion broadcast to probably about quarter of a million people.

There's even chatter circulating about where else in Australia are you going to be able to fill a stadium with 60000 people for the AFL grand final in a few months? Perth's new Optus stadium of course!

If that were to happen, McGowan would probably be deified.

So yeah, it would be pretty much like North Korea.

https://7news.com.au/politics/mark-mcgowan/auslan-interpreter-translates-expletive-laden-shout-of-support-at-mcgowan-press-conference-c-1001386

*Cue IJ comments about ABC bias, echo chamber, confirmation bias, defunding ABC, etc

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28 minutes ago, Stikman said:

Yes there is a loss of tourism but where would you think would be a safe option to get tourists from? 

There's certainly a government push for sandgropers to holiday in WA, especially now internal restrictions on travel have been removed. Keep the dollars in WA. Support local tourism industry. That sort of push.

Some primary producers are concerned about a lack of foreign backpackers for fruit picking etc, but I imagine that's not just a WA thing.

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