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Swab result - Covid negative. Just a coincidental illness. Means I can leave the house! Hooray! Have cancelled ambulance shift for Sunday because still feeling under the weather but back out again nex

On behalf of everyone else here on Trannies (apologies to those who I purport to be speaking for who don't share my view), mate, would you mind putting a lid on your intentionally inflammatory comment

Thought I'd check in with you all. Have to say I'm struggling a bit with redundancy, the virus and its knock on effects. Trying to stay positive but feeling quite 'isolated' over here now and starting

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1 hour ago, zed said:

Health wise, perhaps, financially, surely this is going to have far reaching and long lasting consequences. We haven't even recovered from the GFC.

For some, certainly.  But that's life.

Others will get really rich.

Others will stay the same.

 

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11 minutes ago, Peter said:

For some, certainly.  But that's life.

Others will get really rich.

Others will stay the same.

 

There's some cheap flights on at the moment though! Every cloud has a silver lining.

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37 minutes ago, zed said:

There's some cheap flights on at the moment though! Every cloud has a silver lining.

I won't lie.  I'm waiting for the cheap flights to one overseas location in particular. 

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1 hour ago, Peter said:

I won't lie.  I'm waiting for the cheap flights to one overseas location in particular. 

We are not letting you in!!

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My work has just introduced an additional 14 days paid leave for anyone affected by Covid-19 (whether they have it, have to quarantine, have their kid's school close, or the place they work in close), whether they be full-time part-time or casual.

Best way to stop it flowing through the workforce is to make sure those without leave don't come in to the office when sick.

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10 minutes ago, The Customer said:

Oh God, I hope they make us work from home. I would get so much done!

We had a scare earlier this week (negative result as it turns out), so my team worked from home on Tuesday.  It was awesome 

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2 hours ago, Merv said:

Concerned about theTDF

Race organisers have a duty of care to ensure they prioritise  the health and well being of competitors. I can't see how any major sporting events can take place until the CV has been controlled or there is a vaccine. Boston/London marathons will be canned as will the Olympics. If they take place, lawyers will be licking their lips....anyone that contracts the CV during the event can sue the ass of the event organisers.

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Mongolia has cancelled all international flights. So my flight back to work via Singapore and Istanbul was canceled today. I will have to work from home or the head office for a while.

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Today cancelled family trip to Vietnam, were due to fly 10 April

AirNZ will refund flights, including domestic flights for kids to fly home for holidays

Vietnam travel agent will give differial for 12 months but no refund.

The final straw was being declared pandemic changes what travel insurance will cover if get sick/injured. They still wont pay cancellation.

Thinking domestic NZ holiday for Easter instead

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Plenty of escalated work in the Telco area at the moment with companies after reliable & secure data services and upgrades to existing ones to cope with the tele-commuting. 

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I am mostly of the view there is a massive overreaction going on at the moment. I don't understand what other people are seeing/reading/hearing that is generating so much fear.

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1 minute ago, Katz said:

I am mostly of the view there is a massive overreaction going on at the moment. I don't understand what other people are seeing/reading/hearing that is generating so much fear.

It's the headline that 3 in 100 people that catch this will die. That's what's scaring everyone. See Stickman's post for what is probably a more accurate figure.

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We've got Local Gov Elections in 2 weeks. They're going to be bad enough with the number of Postal votes they are going to have to deal with. Could you imagine if it was a Federal Election?

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That would be an absolute cluster.

I noticed the train was a lot emptier this morning. Seats for everyone the whole way to the city for a change.

Our organisation is being quite chilled about it all. The only change has been the removal of the lolly jar on the reception counter which was replaced with hand sanitiser. And an email which basically says "wash your hands", "stay home if sick", "cover your mouth if you cough or sneeze". You know, all the stuff we should be doing anyways. LOL

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I think what our work has done is sensible too. We've introduced the travel isolation rules the Gov recommended, and stay home & work if someone else is a potential carrier. Both make sense. They've introduced additional leave for those who've run out or casuals who don't have any left, and it can be used for self-isolation if you need to and can't work from home, or if your kid's school is closed.

They've also introduced a "call before you turn-up" policy for field staff. Probably something a lot of people would have liked for different reasons.

 

All in all sensible stuff.

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I think the issue is not the mortality rate of the virus but more the stress it will put on the health system, and where that may lead. 

Apparently in Italy they have to prioritize treatment. People with the virus, over 60 with any additional "issues" are being left to fend for themselves while the treatment is given to those with a better chance of survival. 

THAT is pretty scary in a 2020 modern medicine environment. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Katz said:

And now I am just left wondering what was said which was probably in some way offensive........ lol

Nah, I accidentally hit submit with stuff that was in the editor instead of what I wanted to write. :)

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4 minutes ago, roxii said:

I think the issue is not the mortality rate of the virus but more the stress it will put on the health system, and where that may lead. 

Apparently in Italy they have to prioritize treatment. People with the virus, over 60 with any additional "issues" are being left to fend for themselves while the treatment is given to those with a better chance of survival. 

THAT is pretty scary in a 2020 modern medicine environment. 

 

Very true.

How much of the additional stress is due to so many people feeling they need to go to ED for every little thing these days? People who would be perfectly ok staying at home to recover from whatever ailment they have, these days head off to ED and clog it up. 

Keep the aged and infirm safely isolated to prevent infection, treat those who require treatment and everyone else just bloody stay at home and let your body recover naturally. 

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1 hour ago, Katz said:

The only change has been the removal of the lolly jar on the reception counter which was replaced with hand sanitiser.

What does it taste like?  Hope it's alcohol based.

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1 minute ago, Stikman said:

What does it taste like?  Hope it's alcohol based.

LOL. Funny.

Actually, as it turns out, the only reason the lolly jar was removed was because we ran out of lollies. Noe the woolies shopping has been delivered, it's back! 

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2 hours ago, Katz said:

I am mostly of the view there is a massive overreaction going on at the moment. I don't understand what other people are seeing/reading/hearing that is generating so much fear.

This is not meant to be an alarmist post but rather put in perspective all the numbers quoted.

Where I live the public hospital has a catchment of roughly 150,000 people.

If only 1% of people were to become infected at any one time we would have 1,500 potential patients.

Up to 5% of patients overseas have needed ICU support. We can hope that with our lower smoking rates and potential under-diagnosis overseas we might get away with half that figure. That gives us 37.5 patients we need to ventilate (some of who might be ventilated for weeks.)

We have 8 ventilated ICU beds. Taking all the ventilators out of operating theatres would increase that to 15.

It is easy to see how quickly the system can reach capacity.

This is why I am so grateful for the tireless efforts of public health teams contact tracing and arranging quarantining of high risk contacts to delay community transmission for as long as possible. With that hard work and a bit of luck, we might avoid the demand surges that we are seeing overseas. Otherwise, it is a very long winter ahead, particularly for those who work in the health system.

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That's all good points Stoney. Has raised a number of questions I hadn't thought of previously. 

How does the incidence/prevalence of this compare to the regular flu which appears to have a similar mortality rate? If it is similar, how does the health system deal with the number of patients who require ventilation throughout flu season? And how does this one compare in terms of duration as compared to the regular flu? Are ventilated patients kept so for longer with this?

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26 minutes ago, Katz said:

That's all good points Stoney. Has raised a number of questions I hadn't thought of previously. 

How does the incidence/prevalence of this compare to the regular flu which appears to have a similar mortality rate? If it is similar, how does the health system deal with the number of patients who require ventilation throughout flu season? And how does this one compare in terms of duration as compared to the regular flu? Are ventilated patients kept so for longer with this?

The true incidence of influenza is difficult to know as most people who present to a GP or ED with symptoms aren’t tested for it (unless clinically having a more severe illness). Reported cases have increased in the last few winters, but that is because testing has become more widespread. Due to this an actual mortality rate is difficult to determine. Each year though there are significant numbers of deaths due to influenza, but the overwhelming majority are in the elderly population.

Each winter ICU’s around the country are at capacity dealing with the normal patient surge. No patient who would benefit from a particular therapy is denied access to it.

The influenza virus is constantly circulating in the community. For us, the flu vaccine is based on the most common strains circulating in the northern hemisphere in their preceding winter. Every so often, a different enough influenza virus will emerge that will cause problems. This last happened in 2009. With it, 80% of deaths occurred in the under 65 age group, the reverse of normal. It was thought that those older than that must have been exposed to a similar strain of influenza in their early life.

In that pandemic, ICU’s reached capacity but were not overwhelmed. If you needed to be ventilated, you were. Access to more invasive treatments (like ECMO), were “rationed” ie strict eligibility criteria were applied before you could get it. This men’s that some who may have benefited from it missed out.

During that pandemic, some patients were ventilated for months. I would anticipate that the worst cases of COVID-19 would be the same.

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For almost everyone on this forum, contracting COVID-19 is likely to only result in a mild illness (so again, don’t be alarmed). 
 

As a society, we all need to wash our hands, stay off work (and away from social gatherings) if unwell, and if put into quarantine, don’t break it.

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8 minutes ago, CootaGC said:

and will there be the staff to run the ventilators.  There isn't a formal quarantine period with influenza like there is with COVID-19. 

Critical care specialists who are not intensive care doctors will be able to transition into the role safely to support workforce demands. Nursing staff in critical care areas would be able to support also once trained on the ventilators.

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The virus spreads through surface contact, right?  So I can understand the footy being cancelled (you touch railings, touch seats etc.), can understand concerts being cancelled as you are in such close proximity to each other.  I don't really understand why a running event or triathlon would be cancelled / postponed.  You don't actually touch anything when you're racing (apart from your own bike and kit for a tri).  Measures could be put in place to distance people from each other a little more? 

I guess fewer people would travel to a location if an event is cancelled, so fewer people at restaurants / cafes?  Or am I completely missing the point?

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5 minutes ago, SomeTri said:

 I don't really understand why a running event or triathlon would be cancelled / postponed.  You don't actually touch anything when you're racing (apart from your own bike and kit for a tri).  Measures could be put in place to distance people from each other a little more? 

 

Might not need draft busters now?

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4 minutes ago, Paul Every said:

Peter Dutton tests positive.

So it's spread from bats to humans and now to potatoes

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This frugal way of life is just what the environment ordered. If there is any chance of turning the dire state of the planet around , people need to get used to living with less. Interesting to see how people react when life's luxuries get cancelled or taken away from them. 

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3 hours ago, Parkside said:

About to happen

Swimming Australia just cancelled Age and Open Swim Nationals next month in Perth.  Shitty refund policies for everything but the filthy teenager is worse.

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1 hour ago, Paul Every said:

Peter Dutton tests positive.

He got tested this morning & has his result back already. 

A/ Do they have a test that is that quick

B/ Why is my family still waiting to hear anything after being tested yesterday.

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