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16 minutes ago, PeterW said:

And is it all wisdom in hindsight?  Would we expect mistakes to be made given the gravity and newness of the situation, interdepartmental communications, even intergovernmental communications?

The thing is he goes off before confirming or checking with his team of people. 

sure if he was a surprised in a press conference and didn’t know the answer, I get it. Mind you, you’d say, I need to check that and get back to you tomorrow  

but he just went on his usual rant.  Now once again he should say sorry but I doubt we will see it.  He’s never said sorry for the other mistakes. Can’t see him doing it this time. Can you?

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Swab result - Covid negative. Just a coincidental illness. Means I can leave the house! Hooray! Have cancelled ambulance shift for Sunday because still feeling under the weather but back out again nex

On behalf of everyone else here on Trannies (apologies to those who I purport to be speaking for who don't share my view), mate, would you mind putting a lid on your intentionally inflammatory comment

Thought I'd check in with you all. Have to say I'm struggling a bit with redundancy, the virus and its knock on effects. Trying to stay positive but feeling quite 'isolated' over here now and starting

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What really amazes me is we have a premier who has been directly responsible for nearly the single biggest loss of life and wealth destruction we have ever seen, been found to lie repeatedly and shirk responsibility, and yet people are so willing to forgive him. 

And yet in a normal election governments get thrown out because... Heck I don't know why when compared to this I don't think a government could ever get voted out if he's doesn't.. 

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38 minutes ago, more said:

The outrage is a result of this complete disaster being due to his governments incompetence. And then lying about it and being caught lying time and time again... 

He says he will take total responsibility but refuses to do so. The recovery we have had is a result of the public doing the hard yards (and loosing their lives and livelihoods), not as a result of his good work. 

And as for mistakes, sure, but no other state has made them to this magnitude, no other state has lied about them, and no other state has suffered a massive of group amnesia when fronting an inquiry. 

Thank you for this summary. This helps me as an outsider better understand what the Melbourne situation is that my work colleagues are facing.

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24 minutes ago, Merv said:

Dan really should apologise for the kiwi mix up, he looks like a proper spoon.

If he wanted the kiwis to not enter vic, then he should have had his own border control. 

Right now, anyone can enter Vic. But for the most part,Vic's can't go other states. 

He stuffed that one up. And then lied. Yep. 

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1 hour ago, Turts said:

If he wanted the kiwis to not enter vic, then he should have had his own border control. 

Right now, anyone can enter Vic. But for the most part,Vic's can't go other states. 

He stuffed that one up. And then lied. Yep. 

And the typical arrogance of the guy when he was caught instead of apologising he tries to turn it around and say 'let's not play politics that doesn't help anyone, let's try to fix the problem'... After playing politics and incorrectly accusing the Feds. 

What a magot.. 

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48 minutes ago, more said:

And the typical arrogance of the guy when he was caught instead of apologising he tries to turn it around and say 'let's not play politics that doesn't help anyone, let's try to fix the problem'... After playing politics and incorrectly accusing the Feds. 

nailed it. 

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Police checks everywhere if you try and drive out of Melbourne, but nothing for incoming flights.....you couldnt make this stuff up.  Hey though, there has only been a few months to plug that whole, what should we expect....

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43 minutes ago, CharlieB said:

Police checks everywhere if you try and drive out of Melbourne, but nothing for incoming flights.....you couldnt make this stuff up.  Hey though, there has only been a few months to plug that whole, what should we expect....

There are no international Arrivals into Melbourne though. And the state borders are open. We are the high risk ones so the focus had been keeping us locked in :)

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8 hours ago, CharlieB said:

Police checks everywhere if you try and drive out of Melbourne, but nothing for incoming flights.....you couldnt make this stuff up.  Hey though, there has only been a few months to plug that whole, what should we expect....

Ive driven out to Bendigo 6 times in the last 3 months. Only been stopped once.  
 

never been stopped in Bendigo with my melb rego car.  Thought I was the first time as I had a cop behind me for ages.  
 

but yeah never stopped coming back in.   

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19 hours ago, more said:

What really amazes me is we have a premier who has been directly responsible for nearly the single biggest loss of life and wealth destruction we have ever seen, been found to lie repeatedly and shirk responsibility, and yet people are so willing to forgive him. 

And yet in a normal election governments get thrown out because... Heck I don't know why when compared to this I don't think a government could ever get voted out if he's doesn't.. 

That's cool. So Dan goes what happens next? - Is he replaced by a minister from his cabinet (I'm tipping Merlino) or is it some kind of trigger for an early election?

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19 hours ago, rory-dognz said:

Thank you for this summary. This helps me as an outsider better understand what the Melbourne situation is that my work colleagues are facing.

I'm not so sure that is an accurate summary of the depth of outrage.  The latest polls I can find (September 20) show a 60+ percent approval rating for his handling. I would think it's probably come down a bit but I don't think it's quite what its painted to be here. And they are making bedsheets and coffee cups with Brett Suttons face printed on it in celebration of his popularity....

..but people are polarised - the depth of hatred for Dan with some people is remarkable! It probably depends on how it is impacted you.  

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12 minutes ago, PeterW said:

That's cool. So Dan goes what happens next? - Is he replaced by a minister from his cabinet (I'm tipping Merlino) or is it some kind of trigger for an early election?

Can he call an early election?  Aren’t they fixed in Victoria? Asking don’t know.  
 

id think Jill would replace him. 
 

but he will hang in now.  Eventually step down to run for a federal spot. Then in 6-10 years got for PM. 

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6 minutes ago, Peter said:

Can he call an early election?  Aren’t they fixed in Victoria? Asking don’t know.  
 

id think Jill would replace him. 
 

but he will hang in now.  Eventually step down to run for a federal spot. Then in 6-10 years got for PM. 

WSTC Jill? She'd make a ripper premier!!

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37 minutes ago, PeterW said:

I'm not so sure that is an accurate summary of the depth of outrage.  The latest polls I can find (September 20) show a 60+ percent approval rating for his handling. I would think it's probably come down a bit but I don't think it's quite what its painted to be here. And they are making bedsheets and coffee cups with Brett Suttons face printed on it in celebration of his popularity....

..but people are polarised - the depth of hatred for Dan with some people is remarkable! It probably depends on how it is impacted you.  

Yep, his government has handled it far far worse than any other state in the country, led to hundreds of deaths and people still like him, amazing.. People are remarkably gullible and in the west  at least will defend Labor no matter what....

As for the depth of hatred...well fortunately I haven't been directly impacted, I still have a job and haven't known anyone who has lost their lives as a result. BUT, and its a big but..I can sympathize with all the poor people who have lost the lives of loved ones, the people who have lost their business, who are now bankrupt, the poor kids who have been stuck in houses with fighting parents, the victims of domestic abuse, the increased rates of mental health and suicide...and all due to Dans incompetence and dishonesty. 

Its crazy, people will march over a 3.5% pay rise instead of a 5% pay rise, a tree that got cut down, a endangered grasshoper, but some thing like this..no one seems to give a sh!t....

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@PeterW its because of daily rubbish like this-Dan is so incompetent he cant even lie competently..

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/the-audio-that-undermines-daniel-andrews-fury-over-travel-bubble-with-new-zealand/news-story/a30dd9eea816f588589ab5343022617a

"Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews’ fury over the New Zealand travel bubble has been undermined by revelations that he said nothing at a press conference just weeks ago when his chief health officer said Kiwis were “free” to travel on to Victoria.

A war of words has erupted after it emerged dozens of New Zealanders had arrived in NSW on international flights since the “travel bubble” started on Friday, only to catch a connecting flight straight to Victoria.

But it’s subsequently emerged that Mr Andrews didn’t blink when his own chief health officer Brett Sutton said the New Zealanders were free to travel to Victoria earlier this month.

At a press conference on October 3, Prof Sutton said New Zealanders were “free” to travel to Melbourne because the border remained open."

 

At least Neill Mitchel knows what's going on..

Melbourne broadcaster Neil Mitchell told his 3AW listeners on Monday that the audio proved Mr Andrews anger over the travel bubble was confected and a complete diversion.

“This carry on about the Kiwis is a total diversion. It’s an excuse for the Premier to unleash on the Feds,’’ he said. “Well, he clearly wasn’t listening to his own chief health officer,’’ he said.

 

 

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On Feb 27 2019 Kim Jong Un made history by taking a question from an American journo at a press conference. 

2020 Dan Andrews has for over 100 days taking 100 questions taken questions from all journos.

Different dictators, different styles.


 

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This joke is so April 2020. Which was 84 years ago.


 

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I haven’t seen any polls on Dan’s popularity other than if there was an election today he’d be returned, but if the 60% mentioned above is correct, it might be because most people can see whats happening around the world when the virus breaks out into the community and then compare it to the way Victoria has fought back.

Back in June Victoria detected  723 new transmissions in 24hrs, on that same day the UK recorded 763 new transactions. Now a couple of days ago Victoria recorded 1 new transmission and 0 deaths while the UK recorded 15,650 new transmissions and 136 deaths in 24hrs.

And BTW there are people out there saying the UK has it right and we should be using their plan.

 

I also think the way Dan has fronted the media every day to keep everyone informed and deliver the news , good or bad probably has a lot to do with him remaining popular. I actually know a Victorian Lib voter who’s become a Dan fan for this very reason. You could probably say the same about Gladys to some extent. This is all no excuse for miss leading an inquiry and if it’s serious enough I’m sure he’ll pay a price.

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1 hour ago, more said:

Its crazy, people will march over a 3.5% pay rise instead of a 5% pay rise, a tree that got cut down, a endangered grasshoper, but some thing like this..no one seems to give a sh!t....

Welcome to Melbourne! But as I ride through Williamstown (a very safe seat for the Labor Party, which has held it without interruption since 1904) in the in the early morning along Steve Bracks Boulevard past Ralf Willis Park on my way to Joan Kirner Drive,  the sun rises brilliantly in the East over Spring Street -  sending a glow of socialist smugness over all.  There, in Dan's citadel we know that our representative,  Melissa Horne (bag) is jostling for even more of the public school and sporting facilities purse than we did under the previous 116 years of labour party representation. Shoot! We've even got our own boutique hospital with an emergency department!  But don't think that makes me a mindless labour supporter!! :)

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42 minutes ago, PeterW said:

Welcome to Melbourne! But as I ride through Williamstown (a very safe seat for the Labor Party, which has held it without interruption since 1904) in the in the early morning along Steve Bracks Boulevard past Ralf Willis Park on my way to Joan Kirner Drive,  the sun rises brilliantly in the East over Spring Street -  sending a glow of socialist smugness over all.  There, in Dan's citadel we know that our representative,  Melissa Horne (bag) is jostling for even more of the public school and sporting facilities purse than we did under the previous 116 years of labour party representation. Shoot! We've even got our own boutique hospital with an emergency department!  But don't think that makes me a mindless labour supporter!! :)

Imagine how much more you would get if you were in a marginal seat... ;)

 

Edit..Bring Back Bracksy!!

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2 hours ago, more said:

Imagine how much more you would get if you were in a marginal seat... ;)

I've always thought of marginal seats as being a little like Poland in world war 2.  There's always promise at invasion time, but it doesn't end well - no matter who overruns you.  

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3 hours ago, Mike Del said:

Back in June Victoria detected  723 new transmissions in 24hrs, on that same day the UK recorded 763 new transactions. Now a couple of days ago Victoria recorded 1 new transmission and 0 deaths while the UK recorded 15,650 new transmissions and 136 deaths in 24hrs.

And BTW there are people out there saying the UK has it right and we should be using their plan.

Wow, straight out of the Victorian Labor Party handbook. I have heard that 3 times today from different people. Do you get the press release as well?

This has nothing to do with UK or Europe. They are in completely different situation. They are moving into winter. There are 300 million people moving around.

Let's focus on what the authorities in Victoria are doing and saying. They have made a multiple set of mistakes and no one says sorry and no one is accountable. It goes on every day and Dan turns up to his media conferences and lectures everyone on how good he is and that they should do what he says. He calls that leadership. Not everyone agrees.

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One thing I don't get with this kiwi bubble is why scomo is advising them to check with the respective states once they have arrived in Australia, as to if they are required to quarantine.  This can be done prior to leaving NZ.   He appears to be making things up as he goes.

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1 hour ago, Merv said:

One thing I don't get with this kiwi bubble is why scomo is advising them to check with the respective states once they have arrived in Australia, as to if they are required to quarantine.  This can be done prior to leaving NZ.   He appears to be making things up as he goes.

Groups of recently arrived Kiwis have now been caught trying to enter every Australian state except Qld. 

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7 hours ago, Merv said:

One thing I don't get with this kiwi bubble is why scomo is advising them to check with the respective states once they have arrived in Australia, as to if they are required to quarantine.  This can be done prior to leaving NZ.   He appears to be making things up as he goes.

Probably because Scomo reads the news and knows that there are no infections in NZ and the vic borders are open and that the States have their own rules re borders.  Perhaps Dan and merv should follow the news....

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Even Labor Bill Shorten thinks Dan has done a terrible job.. 

"Former Labor leader Bill Shorten has weighed in on Victoria's latest hotel quarantine stuff-up and the lockdown difficulties facing Melbourne residents.

Speaking on the Today show on Tuesday, Mr Shorten said the mistakes occurring in Victoria "are not good enough".

His criticism comes as it was revealed more than 240 hotel quarantine guests were put at risk of HIV and hepatitis after the same blood glucose level test was wrongly used on multiple guests."

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But the man leading the state’s health response to the COVID-19 pandemic conceded on Saturday that he had seen an email in late March that mentioned private security, but that the detail had “not registered” with him.

This point is really interesting for me.

As a details person, I deal with this sh*t every day - people can't absorb the details.

e.g. Zoom work conference the other day, told them all the project was $7.5M.  Not 60 secs later, get asked me how much is the project worth? 😬

Same project, told them the client does not want info to be distributed outside the core group - told them verbally and by email.  A week later the draft report gets sent to our entire Board!!  Have to scramble to ensure they don't distribute it 🤦‍♂️

Social media & info overload seems to have dulled peoples ability to handle detail.  The world of work seems to be increasingly filled with 'big picture' people and 'big talkers but not big doers'.  I know you need some of those types, and they should employ people to handle the details, but if those head honchos can't hold onto the details, sh*t starts to happen.

 

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59 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

This point is really interesting for me.

As a details person, I deal with this sh*t every day - people can't absorb the details.

e.g. Zoom work conference the other day, told them all the project was $7.5M.  Not 60 secs later, get asked me how much is the project worth? 😬

Same project, told them the client does not want info to be distributed outside the core group - told them verbally and by email.  A week later the draft report gets sent to our entire Board!!  Have to scramble to ensure they don't distribute it 🤦‍♂️

Social media & info overload seems to have dulled peoples ability to handle detail.  The world of work seems to be increasingly filled with 'big picture' people and 'big talkers but not big doers'.  I know you need some of those types, and they should employ people to handle the details, but if those head honchos can't hold onto the details, sh*t starts to happen.

 

In all of the companies I have worked senior management are expected to have either photographic memory and/or detailed notes that they have studied before any meeting. If you cant remember specific details of a meeting held just a few months ago you would be crucified...

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9 hours ago, Mike Del said:

Groups of recently arrived Kiwis have now been caught trying to enter every Australian state except Qld. 

'Caught' suggests they were trying to do something illegal (like the woman hiding in the back of the vic semi trying to get into QLD).  Multiple reports confirm what they were doing was fully legal, every state knew what was happening and could have made a decision at a state level to quarantine them - WA is doing this for example.  Vic however has open borders and signed off so Dan needs to issue an apology for his ranting.  Dan's also now trying to play the 'political' card which is just embarrassing.

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9 minutes ago, more said:

In all of the companies I have worked senior management are expected to have either photographic memory and/or detailed notes that they have studied before any meeting. If you cant remember specific details of a meeting held just a few months ago you would be crucified...

For probably the last 15 years I have been in roles where I am personally liable for the OH&S of part of if not the whole workforce. That liability had civil as well as criminal penalties potentially including jail-time.  You would think someone has to be liable for the decision making that has gone on in Vic with such tragic outcomes.

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2 minutes ago, truck said:

For probably the last 15 years I have been in roles where I am personally liable for the OH&S of part of if not the whole workforce. That liability had civil as well as criminal penalties potentially including jail-time.  You would think someone has to be liable for the decision making that has gone on in Vic with such tragic outcomes.

That's the crazy thing isn't it...you could have a site that is not adequately placarded, insufficient training, no witches hats around a hazard etc and an accident happens you are in big trouble.

Dan mishandles a massive crisis that leads to the death of hundreds and nothing will happen, and apparently 60% of the state think he has done a good job...

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22 hours ago, PeterW said:

 The latest polls I can find (September 20) show a 60+ percent approval rating for his handling. 

 

Don't know why this hadn't occurred to me earlier..

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological condition that occurs when a victim of abuse identifies and attaches, or bonds, positively with their abuser. This syndrome was originally observed when hostages who were kidnapped not only bonded with their kidnappers, but also fell in love with them

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7 minutes ago, more said:

 

Don't know why this hadn't occurred to me earlier..

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological condition that occurs when a victim of abuse identifies and attaches, or bonds, positively with their abuser. This syndrome was originally observed when hostages who were kidnapped not only bonded with their kidnappers, but also fell in love with them

 

You cant have it both ways, in the Trump thread you said populism was the basis of democracy.  If Dan's still popular surely it shows democracy is working.  

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7 minutes ago, more said:

 

Don't know why this hadn't occurred to me earlier..

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological condition that occurs when a victim of abuse identifies and attaches, or bonds, positively with their abuser. This syndrome was originally observed when hostages who were kidnapped not only bonded with their kidnappers, but also fell in love with them

 

It'll take a lot of abuse before I could get "all Stockholm" with Michael O'Brien let me tell ya! :)  It's a shame John Pesutto lost his seat - he struck me as one potential lib leader I could have voted for!

Anyway,  with the radius lifted to 25k, unlimited exercise time and a public holiday on Friday I'm predicting insane levels of activity on Beach Road by all the COVID frustrated 'legends in their own lunchtime/weekend warriors" (including my good self) - see you all at Mordy!! - I'll be there in Rapha red hammer-and-sickle kit, singing "Wide Is My Motherland"....

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Just now, roxii said:

 

You cant have it both ways, in the Trump thread you said populism was the basis of democracy.  If Dan's still popular surely it shows democracy is working.  

 

In the Trump thread I questioned what was wrong with populism (an approach that strive to appeal to ordinary people)

In this thread I've suggested the reason Dan might be popular is the Stockholme syndrome. How you have managed to intertwine the two is an amazing stretch..

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10 minutes ago, more said:

In this thread I've suggested the reason Dan might be popular is the Stockholme syndrome. How you have managed to intertwine the two is an amazing stretch..

Maybe he is popular because he is popular!! Maybe some (60%) like what he is doing. 

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4 minutes ago, roxii said:

Maybe he is popular because he is popular!! Maybe some (60%) like what he is doing. 

The question I was asking though is 'why' would he be popular? It wouldn't appear rational to like someone who has destroyed your state and resulted in hundreds of deaths while the entire rest of the country is off enjoying the footy, pubs, dinner, triathlon and coffee...

Maybe the old adage treat em mean keep em keen rings true lol

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The question I was asking though is 'why' would he be popular? It wouldn't appear rational to like someone who has destroyed your state and resulted in hundreds of deaths while the entire rest of the country is off enjoying the footy, pubs, dinner, triathlon and coffee...

I get that, but I'm not allowed to speculate as I'm not from Vic :lol: 

But yeah if NSW was being run like that I wouldn't be happy (regardless of political persuasion) 

Ironically my feeling is that Gladys' reasonable handling of Covid has potentially shielded her from a potential knifing by her own party on the back of ICAC, in any other time I reckon they would have been lining up for her job. 

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26 minutes ago, more said:

Don't know why this hadn't occurred to me earlier..

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological condition....m

I don't know either - 27/08/2020 Sky News host Chris Kenny says recent polls have confirmed Victorians are “suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

What self respecting person doesn't keep up to date with Sky News..?! :)

I dredging through the conservative news outlets I also found this - gotta say, Andrew Bolt delivers!! 

Andrew Bolt has doubled down on his argument that Covid-19 restrictions should be lifted because they are destroying the economy “to save aged-care residents from dying a few months earlier”.

 

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46 minutes ago, more said:

 

Don't know why this hadn't occurred to me earlier..

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological condition that occurs when a victim of abuse identifies and attaches, or bonds, positively with their abuser. This syndrome was originally observed when hostages who were kidnapped not only bonded with their kidnappers, but also fell in love with them

Yep welcome to Western Australia where it’s true

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Didn't see the press conference today, but based on what I am seeing on my socials there appears to be a few backflips / concessions today. Assuming this is simply due to mounting pressure as numbers continue so low.

- School photos allowed back in schools

- Admission that the lockdown may be eased even earlier than stated last weekend from what I gather

Andrews has taken such a hard line from the get go that its interesting to see.

 

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49 minutes ago, more said:

The question I was asking though is 'why' would he be popular? It wouldn't appear rational to like someone who has destroyed your state and resulted in hundreds of deaths while the entire rest of the country is off enjoying the footy, pubs, dinner, triathlon and coffee...

Maybe the old adage treat em mean keep em keen rings true lol

I think a fair bit is the parochialism that’s exists within states and Dan is playing it. How dare someone from NSW (for example) suggest that state has been more effective in its management of the crisis than Vic?  So the outcome is Dan gets more supporters in his corner.  

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21 hours ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

This point is really interesting for me.

As a details person, I deal with this sh*t every day - people can't absorb the details.

e.g. Zoom work conference the other day, told them all the project was $7.5M.  Not 60 secs later, get asked me how much is the project worth? 😬

Same project, told them the client does not want info to be distributed outside the core group - told them verbally and by email.  A week later the draft report gets sent to our entire Board!!  Have to scramble to ensure they don't distribute it 🤦‍♂️

Social media & info overload seems to have dulled peoples ability to handle detail.  The world of work seems to be increasingly filled with 'big picture' people and 'big talkers but not big doers'.  I know you need some of those types, and they should employ people to handle the details, but if those head honchos can't hold onto the details, sh*t starts to happen.

 

Serious comment- Ive recently had similar, is it that people just dont listen or when its a phone or zoom meeting they're looking at other stuff so they miss the detail. Ive found senior members & major stakeholders are the main culprits

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You can't make this stuff up... 

"Health Department lawyers say Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton told them they did not need to hand the hotel quarantine inquiry a series of emails that are now casting doubt over his claims he didn’t know about the hiring of private security guards.

The emails, which weren't provided to the inquiry until the past week, contradict Professor Sutton's evidence about when he found out private security was being used in the bungled hotel quarantine program."

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