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Based on the large scale of the outdoor eating facility under rapid construction today, looks like Crown Casino is 'betting' on a significant easing of Victoria's lockdown laws this Sunday.

i wonder if Dan has been bought off by the casino.  

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Swab result - Covid negative. Just a coincidental illness. Means I can leave the house! Hooray! Have cancelled ambulance shift for Sunday because still feeling under the weather but back out again nex

On behalf of everyone else here on Trannies (apologies to those who I purport to be speaking for who don't share my view), mate, would you mind putting a lid on your intentionally inflammatory comment

Thought I'd check in with you all. Have to say I'm struggling a bit with redundancy, the virus and its knock on effects. Trying to stay positive but feeling quite 'isolated' over here now and starting

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Spoke to some colleagues in the UK last night - seems they are looking at a new lockdown as things are getting out of control there, at least in some key areas.  Imagine STARTING a lockdown now, how depressing :(

 

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Spoke to some colleagues in the UK last night - seems they are looking at a new lockdown as things are getting out of control there, at least in some key areas.  Imagine STARTING a lockdown now, how depressing :(

 

At least they know what to expect given they have been through it once and got freedom and not back into it. 
 

bit like when we got a few weeks before the hotel failure.  
 

I can’t wait for eggs Benedict at a local cafe on the first morning we can do it. 

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14 minutes ago, Peter said:

I can’t wait for eggs Benedict at a local cafe on the first morning we can do it. 

Better book a table now. As all of Melbourne is thinking the same thing!

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16 minutes ago, Peter said:

At least they know what to expect given they have been through it once and got freedom and not back into it. 
 

bit like when we got a few weeks before the hotel failure.  
 

I can’t wait for eggs Benedict at a local cafe on the first morning we can do it. 

I reckon this will be the hardest bit, as you guys have been in lockdown so long, if your first weekend of freedom is a good weather weekend the place will go nuts and you could end up back where you started. 

Hopefully some sense will prevail, but I dont have that much faith in the selfish minority. 

 

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Agree roxii.  But if no indoors are open. Distancing still enforced.  
 

given today’s numbers he can’t keep us locked much longer. 
 

the cases are going to go up in the regional areas in the next 2-3

week. 
 

word is in shep you can’t even get tested today.  They have hit their limit. 
this is how useless this government is. 
 

send more testers up there.  
but do they? 
 

nah. 
 

im convinced they don’t really want to stop the virus here

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1 hour ago, roxii said:

I reckon this will be the hardest bit, as you guys have been in lockdown so long, if your first weekend of freedom is a good weather weekend the place will go nuts and you could end up back where you started. 

Hopefully some sense will prevail, but I dont have that much faith in the selfish minority. 

 

Good point Rox, but I think of late that the real problem in Victoria is people in low socio economic circumstances that have one, or more low paying casual/contract jobs who need to keep working and will do so despite symptoms - and no matter what rules and regulations are in place.  As far as I knw there hasn't been a rocket scientist cluster in Victoria..... 

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word is in shep you can’t even get tested today.  They have hit their limit. 
this is how useless this government is. 
 

 

There were people who waited in line 7 hours yesterday only to miss out when the testing centres reached capacity.

People started lining up at 6am for an 8.30 opening this morning, and the centre was closed / capacity reached by 8.45.

2 new drive through sites opened at 10am this morning as well and I understand that the line is kilometres long.

The good news is that people are doing the right thing and trying to get tested.  Problem is that the positive case that came up here has been in so many different locations, and exposed countless numbers that it will be days before the crowds die down.

I know of businesses that have 40/50/100 people all isolating at home pending getting tested who will then have to isolate pending results.

The town is a ghost town. I drove down our busiest street (for cafes and the like) at 9.30 and there was about 3 people getting around

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7 minutes ago, Ayto said:

There were people who waited in line 7 hours yesterday only to miss out when the testing centres reached capacity.

People started lining up at 6am for an 8.30 opening this morning, and the centre was closed / capacity reached by 8.45.

2 new drive through sites opened at 10am this morning as well and I understand that the line is kilometres long.

The good news is that people are doing the right thing and trying to get tested.  Problem is that the positive case that came up here has been in so many different locations, and exposed countless numbers that it will be days before the crowds die down.

I know of businesses that have 40/50/100 people all isolating at home pending getting tested who will then have to isolate pending results.

The town is a ghost town. I drove down our busiest street (for cafes and the like) at 9.30 and there was about 3 people getting around

All those people crammed together waiting to be tested looks like a great way to spread the virus? Wouldn't they be better staying at home and getting tested if they feel sick?

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I agree, however official DHHS notice is to get tested if you have been in the identified hot spot locations, even if asymptomatic.

Having said that, having driven past the testing sites on a few occasions now and seeing the lack of social distancing being employed (ie none) I wouldn't be surprised to see the testing sites themselves get listed as a hot spot!!

This update on FB came through 2 hours ago:

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28 minutes ago, PeterW said:

Good point Rox, but I think of late that the real problem in Victoria is people in low socio economic circumstances that have one, or more low paying casual/contract jobs who need to keep working and will do so despite symptoms - and no matter what rules and regulations are in place.  As far as I knw there hasn't been a rocket scientist cluster in Victoria..... 

Yep, cleaners and delivery drivers 

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There is some serious inequality in how crowd numbers are being set. 

The Everest horse race is allowing 14,000 spectators, the NRL grand final is set to have 40,000 yet Bathurst can only have 4,000 spread around a 6km track.  WTF?? 

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2 minutes ago, roxii said:

There is some serious inequality in how crowd numbers are being set. 

The Everest horse race is allowing 14,000 spectators, the NRL grand final is set to have 40,000 yet Bathurst can only have 4,000 spread around a 6km track.  WTF?? 

And at Nepean and club champs ...no spectators. Tell me someone hasn't got there head up there AR$e.

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3 minutes ago, roxii said:

There is some serious inequality in how crowd numbers are being set. 

The Everest horse race is allowing 14,000 spectators, the NRL grand final is set to have 40,000 yet Bathurst can only have 4,000 spread around a 6km track.  WTF?? 

I leaned long ago not to try and apply any consistency to restrictions. 

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The other thing that is annoying in Sydney is that joe average cops the brunt of all the infection messaging, yet most if not all of the  last few "outbreaks" have occurred from medical facilities. The latest is two GP's from the same practice who have contracted it then passed it on.  FFS!

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5 hours ago, roxii said:

The other thing that is annoying in Sydney is that joe average cops the brunt of all the infection messaging, yet most if not all of the  last few "outbreaks" have occurred from medical facilities. The latest is two GP's from the same practice who have contracted it then passed it on.  FFS!

But look at the latest outbreak here. 
 

one cleaner tested positive and went to work for 2 more days in the biggest shopping centre in Australia. 
 

yet 5.5 million others were doing the right thing. 
 

then dan rants at us all. 

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Here’s the police body cam video of a Victorian truckie getting caught trying to hide someone in his cab and smuggle them across the border into Qld. Turned around and $4000 fine each.

i think the cop can be heard saying “the device indicated someone else was in your cab” 🤔
 

 

 

 

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Meanwhile trucks aren’t even stopped going north to Bendigo from the city.  
 

only some cars.  
 

another reason why nsw and qld are months in front of Victoria 

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I am down in Sussex Inlet ATM. From today, the clubs are now turning away anyone from the Camden area (Our home base  however, we have been in Sussex long enough so we have got an exemption). I hope our northern NSW trip in November is ok. 

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Seems globally no one really has any other options than lock down or no lock down, the only difference is the threshold for doing it. 

Bloody hell what a mess. 

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1 hour ago, roxii said:

Seems globally no one really has anything other options than lock down or no lock down, the only difference is the threshold for doing it. 

Bloody hell what a mess. 

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1 hour ago, roxii said:

Seems globally no one really has any other options than lock down or no lock down, the only difference is the threshold for doing it. 

Bloody hell what a mess. 

Taiwan seem to have retained movement and contained the virus. They had a pandemic plan in place before it hit though, and have a high distrust of China and the WHO won't talk to them in case it upsets China - so they had all that in their favour :D 

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28 minutes ago, Dalai said:

Cases from an unknown source up 2 from 15 yesterday though... Surely people out there positive but avoiding testing.

Avoiding testing or just don't know they have it due to no/minimal symptoms? 

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12 minutes ago, dazaau said:

Taiwan seem to have retained movement and contained the virus. They had a pandemic plan in place before it hit though, and have a high distrust of China and the WHO won't talk to them in case it upsets China - so they had all that in their favour :D 

Havn't they closed their borders to all non-citizens?

(Except workers who need appropriate documentation) 

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Avoiding testing or just don't know they have it due to no/minimal symptoms? 

True. Then there are the ones just lying about where they have been like the Kilmore cluster truck driver.

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1 minute ago, Dalai said:

True. Then there are the ones just lying about where they have been like the Kilmore cluster truck driver.

I would like to get the antibody test one day. Months ago when we all thought you were on deaths door if you had covid I had a mild cold so thought nothing of it. But looking back who knows, it could have been covid..? 

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I would like to get the antibody test one day. Months ago when we all thought you were on deaths door if you had covid I had a mild cold so thought nothing of it. But looking back who knows, it could have been covid..? 

Me too. I stated about 120 pages ago that I came back from Qld in late January with a shocking flu, had me off works for a few days. Caught it from an acquaintance that was staying at the same place we were with rellos. 

Wouldn't have thought much of it except that he worked at the international airport in Sydney in a direct customer facing role. 

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I am a bit of a pessimist sometimes, so I am asking this in the hope of....being given reason to hope I guess. Im not asking the following with reference to politics, systemic issues etc....

But, if 1 individual action, from a pool of 4.8m Melbournians, has resulted in an entire regional town (or more) needing to go into a state of high alert / everyone get tested, what hope do we have of staying out of lockdown for more than a few weeks?

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1 minute ago, CharlieB said:

I am a bit of a pessimist sometimes, so I am asking this in the hope of....being given reason to hope I guess. Im not asking the following with reference to politics, systemic issues etc....

But, if 1 individual action, from a pool of 4.8m Melbournians, has resulted in an entire regional town (or more) needing to go into a state of high alert / everyone get tested, what hope do we have of staying out of lockdown for more than a few weeks?

A snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell than Victoria has of staying out of lock down.

And you can thank those all selfish bastards around you that will abandon all common sense (if they had any in the first place) and go absolutely nucken futs when restrictions get loosened with the end result being a swift and predictable journey back to LockDown.

Some people would say there is only one selfish deluded individual without common sense in Victoria and unfortunately he's the Premier.  But I reckon we'll see plenty more over the coming weeks.

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On 14/10/2020 at 11:13 PM, PeterW said:

Spoke to some colleagues in the UK last night - seems they are looking at a new lockdown as things are getting out of control there, at least in some key areas.  Imagine STARTING a lockdown now, how depressing :(

 

Mostly north east and. North west. The R is  around 1.3, down from its highest peak but rising again.

Interestingly now, the marker is is the rise in cases in in the 18-24 group and that has an exponential effect on the older groups.

And  to anyone that thinks its mostly older people that get it, currently just over 40% of the cases that are hospitalised, are under 60.

Half term in a week, fully expecting that be extended to two weeks. Currently still regional measures on a three tier system ( which is confusing).

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8 hours ago, CharlieB said:

But, if 1 individual action, from a pool of 4.8m Melbournians, has resulted in an entire regional town (or more) needing to go into a state of high alert / everyone get tested, what hope do we have of staying out of lockdown for more than a few weeks?

Exactly, it's like trying to hold back the tide with a bucket.

I can understand right back at the start, authorities did not really know what they were dealing with, how deadly it is (or isn't in most cases), how fast it can spread etc. etc.  so many went for extreme measures (population wide lockdowns)....though we still let massively infected cruise ships in and brainless security guards run quarantine!

But now we know a lot more & it is becoming very obvious that until we have a vaccine (and maybe not even then?), zero cases and zero community transmissions is fantasy.  The virus will always be circulating around out there somewhere for years. But some pollies don't want to back away from their extreme positions and lose face....which stuns me given the economic damage done.

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13 hours ago, -- AJ -- said:

A snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell than Victoria has of staying out of lock down.

And you can thank those all selfish bastards around you that will abandon all common sense (if they had any in the first place) and go absolutely nucken futs when restrictions get loosened with the end result being a swift and predictable journey back to LockDown.

Some people would say there is only one selfish deluded individual without common sense in Victoria and unfortunately he's the Premier.  But I reckon we'll see plenty more over the coming weeks.

How's your social distancing going up there? 

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That picture is why luck plays a massive part of this whole thing.  
 

If just one person at Suncorp last night had Covid, you’d have more cases than Victoria within 2 weeks.  
 

yet somehow nothing will happen. 
 

bit like when those 3 girls came to Melb. Shoplifted and got covid.  Flew back. Went to 20 places positive and somehow everyone was safe. its bloody lucky. 
 

same with that picture above. 

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How's your social distancing going up there? 

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Perfect example for what I mentioned earlier..  Reduce the restrictions on the people and all common sense goes out the window.  Victoria will be worse because people have been cooped up for a much longer time and will go nuts when the restrictions lift.

This is just being blasé about the risks and I'd suspect will come back to bite us.

 

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23 hours ago, Peter said:

bit like when those 3 girls came to Melb. Shoplifted and got covid.  Flew back. Went to 20 places positive and somehow everyone was safe. its bloody lucky. 
 

I believe those girls were the source of A few outbreaks/clusters in SEQ. The detention centre, a school, a few households and cafes come to mind. The gov was on to it quickly with local lockdowns, restrictions on gatherings, ramped up testing ect in the effected areas. They nipped it in the bud straight away and we were back to normal a few weeks later.

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Melbourne update today (relevant bits only):

No time limit on outdoor exercise, within 25km radius of home or work (up from 5km)

30 people at a time at outdoor pools

 

Edit to change Vic to Melbourne (regional Vic is already ahead of us)

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More lies.. 

"Sutton admits he did see email about private security"

 

Professor Sutton told the inquiry that he was in the dark on the use of private security – which has become central to the inquiry’s investigations – until COVID-19 outbreaks began to emerge in May among workers at the isolation hotels.

The Age reported on Saturday that the Chief Health Officer actively authorised an email on the day in March that the state's hotel quarantine was set up telling the federal government that private security guards were going to be used to guard returning travellers

But the man leading the state’s health response to the COVID-19 pandemic conceded on Saturday that he had seen an email in late March that mentioned private security, but that the detail had “not registered” with him.

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And more lies... For those not in the know Comrade Dan threw a big hissy fit at the fed government for blindsiding him with NZers coming to Vic... Except its now come out his government authorised it.. Does this joker have any idea what's going on.. 

"Acting Immigration Minister Alan Tudge earlier hit back at the Victorian Government, saying it knew about arrangements that saw 17 New Zealanders try to enter Melbourne on Friday.

Mr Tudge says the Victorian Government were “represented” by Victoria’s chief health officer Brett Sutton at a meeting that discussed what should happen if New Zealanders flew from Sydney or Darwin (as part of the trans-Tasman bubble) to another Australian state.

“We further understand from The Age newspaper today that the Premier’s own department had in fact given authorisation to individuals who had arrived from New Zealand to Sydney to then travel on to Victoria,” Mr Tudge told reporters.

“So the Victorian Government was present when it was discussed, they were made aware that this was going to occur, they raised no objections in the meetings, and furthermore, expressly authorised individuals who were arriving into Sydney from New Zealand to be able to travel on into Victoria.”

Mr Tudge asked Premier Daniel Andrews to “reveal” the emails that “show, clearly and demonstrably, that they authorised the people to come into Victoria”, which would “completely clear this up”.

Yesterday, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said he was “very disappointed” 17 travellers from New Zealand were able to enter Victoria, despite the state not taking part in the travel bubble that started on Friday."

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More lies.. 

"Sutton admits he did see email about private security"

 

I don't really want to disagree with you but just trying to see the reasoning for yours and many others' outrage. The growing anti government sentiment - is it that they made mistakes and haven't owned up to them or do you think they are doing something more sinister? Are Dan and Sutto working in the State's best interest and working according to the best health advice or are they "up to somethin"?

And is it all wisdom in hindsight?  Would we expect mistakes to be made given the gravity and newness of the situation, interdepartmental communications, even intergovernmental communications?

And if "Dictator Dan" really is up to something, apart from "taking all the guns off the public and progressing us towards a socialist state" :)  what would he be trying to achieve by imposing the lockdowns? Is it a perception that lockdown was unnecessary and it was all imposed due to malicious will on the part of the State?

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NZ folks have flown into WA untracked 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🙄

 

Sco Mo is playing politics by sending Kiwis to Labor run states. Disgusting 

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NZ folks have flown into WA untracked 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🙄

 

Sco Mo is playing politics by sending Kiwis to Labor run states. Disgusting 

This is such a beat up

scomo advised that once they land in Sydney thEy are to be treated like everyone else here.

mcgowan is carrying one like it’s the end of the world  

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16 minutes ago, PeterW said:

I don't really want to disagree with you but just trying to see the reasoning for yours and many others' outrage. The growing anti government sentiment - is it that they made mistakes and haven't owned up to them or do you think they are doing something more sinister? Are Dan and Sutto working in the State's best interest and working according to the best health advice or are they "up to somethin"?

And is it all wisdom in hindsight?  Would we expect mistakes to be made given the gravity and newness of the situation, interdepartmental communications, even intergovernmental communications?

And if "Dictator Dan" really is up to something, apart from "taking all the guns off the public and progressing us towards a socialist state" :)  what would he be trying to achieve by imposing the lockdowns? Is it a perception that lockdown was unnecessary and it was all imposed due to malicious will on the part of the State?

The outrage is a result of this complete disaster being due to his governments incompetence. And then lying about it and being caught lying time and time again... 

He says he will take total responsibility but refuses to do so. The recovery we have had is a result of the public doing the hard yards (and loosing their lives and livelihoods), not as a result of his good work. 

And as for mistakes, sure, but no other state has made them to this magnitude, no other state has lied about them, and no other state has suffered a massive of group amnesia when fronting an inquiry. 

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