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30 minutes ago, Turts said:

Back to COVID-related stuff......

 

Vic doing really well now.  11 new cases. 

 

Hopefully NSW eases their border even further with Vic

 

17 minutes ago, Peter said:

Back to Covid.

Numbers down to 11 cases today in Victoria.

Looks like I scooped Peter by 13 minutes (on a number that I first saw 6 hours ago)

Woohoo!

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Swab result - Covid negative. Just a coincidental illness. Means I can leave the house! Hooray! Have cancelled ambulance shift for Sunday because still feeling under the weather but back out again nex

On behalf of everyone else here on Trannies (apologies to those who I purport to be speaking for who don't share my view), mate, would you mind putting a lid on your intentionally inflammatory comment

Thought I'd check in with you all. Have to say I'm struggling a bit with redundancy, the virus and its knock on effects. Trying to stay positive but feeling quite 'isolated' over here now and starting

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39 minutes ago, -- AJ -- said:

And self-important idiots who don't give a f#$k about anybody else up another 15-20.  At about $5000 a fine its an expensive trip to get groceries from anywhere thats not your local shop 

Are you talking about the 5 Afghan families that spread it in the Casey Council but the government said they won't fine them?  34 cases. In 5 related families.

 

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There is growing backlash over the state government’s decision not to fine the families responsible for a new COVID cluster in the city’s southeast.

On Friday, Deputy Secretary for Community Engagement and Testing Jeroen Weimar confirmed there were about 34 cases across five households in the local government areas of Casey and Dandenong.

The households are across Hallam, Clyde, Narre Warren South and Cranbourne North.

Contact tracers discovered members of each house had been breaching the 5km travel limit for visits.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has been accused of “double standards” for being heavy handed with some rule-breakers and not fining others.

 

In the 24 hours up until Sunday, Victoria Police fined a man for driving 15-kilometres to buy his daughter some bread.

But the five households that breached restrictions and caused a COVID cluster will not be fined.

“It just gives you a sense of how one person can infect many, many other people,” Andrews said on Sunday.

“If people are going to get fined for telling the truth in that circumstance, well then I think we know what happens - people won’t tell the truth”.

Greg Barns from the Australian Lawyers Alliance said police have “too much discretion” and that is the reason for the “injustices”.

 

Victorian courts are already facing backlogs which could potentially drag on for years after the pandemic is over.

On Saturday, Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the Casey cluster was “under control”.

“What we do know is people are isolating appropriately and that close contacts are in quarantine but people have obviously been exposed to the virus and they can develop illness any time up to 14 days after having been exposed,” he said.

A special team is managing the cluster, with the government saying it is in conversation with local community members and leaders.

Some of the people infected had visited Fountain Gate shopping Centre and anyone who has been there and develops symptoms should get tested.

 

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16 minutes ago, Peter said:

Are you talking about the 5 Afghan families that spread it in the Casey Council but the government said they won't fine them?  34 cases. In 5 related families.

Nope.  These idiots.

from news.com.au

Don't understand the thinking behind the idiots you mentioned.  They should have been fined for breaking the rules and then fined again if they failed to co-operate with contact tracers

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Nope.  These idiots.

from news.com.au

Don't understand the thinking behind the idiots you mentioned.  They should have been fined for breaking the rules and then fined again if they failed to co-operate with contact tracers

This is exactly why we will continue to have issues in Melbourne.  

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2 minutes ago, Peter said:

This is exactly why we will continue to have issues in Melbourne.  

Precisely.  So if you can keep your idiots at home, the rest of the country would be extremely grateful because they're spoiling it for the rest of us.

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Precisely.  So if you can keep your idiots at home, the rest of the country would be extremely grateful because they're spoiling it for the rest of us.

Of the 20 I wonder if any had Covid? 
 

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I have heard from various different sources that contact of mental health services was up by 33% over the last several months.  Which doesn't surprise me at all.

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36 minutes ago, goughy said:

I have heard from various different sources that contact of mental health services was up by 33% over the last several months.  Which doesn't surprise me at all.

Me either. Speaking to people, there are so many having issues now. 
 

I know so many that have lost jobs now too.  
 

yet some people on here still claim the data doesn’t agree and they know better when clearly not being in Victoria, they have no clue as they go about their life. 
 

the exodus out of Victoria is going to be huge when its possi To leave.  I’ve also spoken to 3 families now that have investment properties in nsw and qld that plan to move there for a few years and work remotely. Its going To be really interesting to see how it plays out.  

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There is no doubt that our collective response to the mental health aspect has almost been non existent. Help lines and councillors are not enough. People are trapped, in many cases either have no livelihood or have it kicked down the road for a few months, which simply increases the pressure.

Faced with this pretty bleak situation many are not coping. We have to do better.

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3 minutes ago, BarryBevan said:

Faced with this pretty bleak situation many are not coping. We have to do better.

Yes starting with YOU. (collectively not singling out BB specifically)

YOU are the ones who know your family and friends best and are therefore best placed to notice any differences in people who might be struggling.

YOU are the ones best placed to ask that well known but rarely asked question RUOK?.

YOU are the ones that your family and friends will respond to.

 A lot of people (particularly blokes) with depression are unlikely to say anything.  They're embarrassed to think that they have an issue.  So they keep quiet, try to act normally and just figure that it'll all come good in the end. 

 and if YOU don't take the first step, it may end up being YOU wondering how you missed the signs.

So even if people look OK.  Ask  RUOK?

YOU might be the difference.

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Just now, -- AJ -- said:

Yes starting with YOU. (collectively not singling out BB specifically)

YOU are the ones who know your family and friends best and are therefore best placed to notice any differences in people who might be struggling.

YOU are the ones best placed to ask that well known but rarely asked question RUOK?.

YOU are the ones that your family and friends will respond to.

 A lot of people (particularly blokes) with depression are unlikely to say anything.  They're embarrassed to think that they have an issue.  So they keep quiet, try to act normally and just figure that it'll all come good in the end. 

 and if YOU don't take the first step, it may end up being YOU wondering how you missed the signs.

So even if people look OK.  Ask  RUOK?

YOU might be the difference.

Yep I agree totally. I'm trying not to let our pretty tough year get me down and I know I have some things others don't, like a job, and no money worries.

Yes, yes, its not the governments job its families and friends genuinley caring and helping. The bits that have been gold is my cycling mates making each Saturday just a day to ride with me as they know that is about it for me and they plan around my time.

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So it appears dan Andrews was the one that refused ADF help 

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Scott Morrison personally wrote to Daniel Andrews three times urging the Victorian premier to accept 1,000 Australian Defence Force troops to help the state's fight with coronavirus, bombshell letters have revealed.

Details of the strongly-worded letters, obtained by Sky News through Freedom of Information laws, were revealed on Wednesday night.

The letters were written as Victoria's second horror coronavirus wave that would later send the state into lockdown began to spiral out of control.

Mr Morrison first wrote to the Premier on July 4. 

‘I note with concern that the Victorian COVID-19 case numbers have escalated to 108 cases today, as part of an increased trend of cases during the past week,' he wrote.

‘The Commonwealth stands ready to provide any support needed on top of the existing measures in place, including Australian Defence Force support to support planning and logistics, and Commonwealth staff to support clinical efforts, community engagement and contact tracing,

'As we have seen with the previous outbreaks in North-West Tasmania and Sydney, these types of outbreaks can quickly overwhelm local health systems. I reaffirm the offer of Commonwealth for on-the-ground support and help in co-ordinating support from other states while acknowledging Victoria's leadership. 

'I also note that the Commonwealth stands ready to support Victoria through the Australian Defence Force to assist with the lockdown of affected suburbs and to assist to ensure persons from these areas do not travel outside these zones and to other states.

Mr Morrison also expressed concern about the number of cases where such travellers have been identified entering NSW, sparking a spike in fresh cases there.

'It is critical to the containment of the virus that the now thousands of people in isolation and quarantine are carefully tracked by phone and personal visits to ensure compliance (and to ensure their welfare),' Mr Morrison stressed.

 'A model successfully used in previous deployments in other jurisdictions, involves an ADF member paired with a police officer in a team of two. This allows the legal enforcement powers to be exercised by state and territory police, supported by ADF members.

'An estimated 1,000 ADF could be progressively deployed in this way over the next week, with greater scope beyond,' he wrote.

'Given the escalating COVID-19 outbreak in Victoria, I recommend that you again consider further ADF deployment to Melbourne over the coming days to assist in the enforcement of public health compliance.

Mr Andrews responded to the Prime Minister on July 5, 7, 12 and 14 regarding offers Commonwealth support.

The fresh bombshell relevations come after Victoria's emergency management commissioner Andrew Crisp requested 850 ADF officers on June 24, only to withdraw the offer a day later, citing 'changing operational and resourcing requirements.'

 

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2 hours ago, Peter said:

Good luck uk. 

 

 

This will be hard for the public to deal with I would think, would make it seem like the first lock down was a waste of time!  Hopefully for them the restrictions don't last that long.

 

I do wonder what is going to happen in the next little bit for Victoria, I feel like the numbers may have improved more quickly than the government expected when the roadmap was announced. 

Surely Melbourne goes to the second step this weekend.  Average seems to be dropping by about 2 per day and is currently at 30.  By the end of next week that could conceivably be below 15.  And a week after that the target of 5 may be hit with 3 more weeks until any next step.

 

Meanwhile regionally there is only 15 cases in the last 14 days and 0 unknown, and from what I can tell there have been 0 new cases in the last week, but there is 2 months until any further easing of restrictions.

 

I understand they are being cautious but if the current trend continues I wonder if there will be any reconsideration.

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On 21/09/2020 at 11:23 PM, goughy said:

I have heard from various different sources that contact of mental health services was up by 33% over the last several months.  Which doesn't surprise me at all.

I'm of the opinion that the biggest factor in the rise of mental health issues is that people are spending more time on their devices - not the threat of the virus itself. I really worry about our current generation of students who will be spending more time on line than any other generation, with blended learning and the switch from print to digital forms of information. Social media used to be a place for them to clown around and goof off, now they spend all their time with their heads in a computer learning, socialising, reading various news sources (fake or otherwise). Technology should be allowing us more leisure time, not chaining people to their devices.

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50 minutes ago, Peter said:

The contempt we are being treated with would all be laughable if it wasn't dramatically impacting hundreds of thousands of everyday peoples lives, and worse, costing peoples lives.

And those that need to be held accountable will forget, not have the detail in front of them, and ensure their inquisition occurs on a friday afternoon to minimise scrutiny.

And then, they will be thanked for having the courage to hold strong and drive numbers down.....putting out the fire that they started nonetheless.

I'm so over this BS. We the public aren't even shown the respect to be able to see the data inputs used in the modelling that has put us here.  

Apologies. Bad week.

 

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24 minutes ago, CharlieB said:

The contempt we are being treated with would all be laughable if it wasn't dramatically impacting hundreds of thousands of everyday peoples lives, and worse, costing peoples lives.

And those that need to be held accountable will forget, not have the detail in front of them, and ensure their inquisition occurs on a friday afternoon to minimise scrutiny.

And then, they will be thanked for having the courage to hold strong and drive numbers down.....putting out the fire that they started nonetheless.

I'm so over this BS. We the public aren't even shown the respect to be able to see the data inputs used in the modelling that has put us here.  

Apologies. Bad week.

 

Clearly you are in Melbourne and I know what you are going thru. 
 

he will be gone soon. Won’t see Christmas.  
 

numbers are down to what they were before he farked up with the hotels. 
 

there is light now at the end of the tunnel. 
 

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Dan Dan Dan... You are a dishonest lying POS... 

One letter from July 11 shows Mr Morrison suggesting a combined operation between Victoria Police and the ADF which would include “an estimated 1,000 ADF” which “could be progressively deployed in this way over the next week, with greater scope beyond”.

“It is critical to the containment of the virus that the now thousands of people in isolation and quarantine are carefully tracked by phone and personal visits to ensure compliance (and to ensure their welfare),” Mr Morrison wrote.

 "the Commonwealth stands ready to provide any support needed on top of the existing measures in place, including Australian Defence Force support to support planning and logistics, and Commonwealth staff to support clinical efforts, community engagement and contact tracing.

“As we have seen with the previous outbreaks in North West Tasmania and Sydney, these types of outbreaks can quickly overwhelm local health systems. I reaffirm the offer of Commonwealth for on-the-ground support and help in co-ordinating support from other states while acknowledging Victoria’s leadership"

But we all know his plan, get the numbers low and act like a hero. Hoping the general public are to dumb to realise or care that it was your incompetence and dishonesty that got us in this position....

 

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I know this is a selfish post because in South Australia, life is basically back to normal. We have a few restrictions regarding numbers in venues etc but that's about it. I can still go into the office, have a meal at a restaurant, play sport etc. 

But damm I hate facebook memories right now. This time of the year I have been overseas on holidays for the last 8 years in a row. 

Can't friggin wait for overseas travel to open up again. 

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1 hour ago, Bored@work said:

I know this is a selfish post because in South Australia, life is basically back to normal. We have a few restrictions regarding numbers in venues etc but that's about it. I can still go into the office, have a meal at a restaurant, play sport etc. 

But damm I hate facebook memories right now. This time of the year I have been overseas on holidays for the last 8 years in a row. 

Can't friggin wait for overseas travel to open up again. 

At least you can go interstate. We can’t go the duck anywhere. I live in a modern version of North Korea 

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1 hour ago, Bored@work said:

I know this is a selfish post because in South Australia, life is basically back to normal. We have a few restrictions regarding numbers in venues etc but that's about it. I can still go into the office, have a meal at a restaurant, play sport etc. 

But damm I hate facebook memories right now. This time of the year I have been overseas on holidays for the last 8 years in a row. 

Can't friggin wait for overseas travel to open up again. 

Funny, I'm in Lockdown in Melbourne.  And I love the Facebook flashbacks.  Especially since this time last year we were travelling through Europe, England and Scotland after Nice 70.3 Worlds.

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Surely Parliamentary enquiries are giving answers under oath? Why isn't Dan Andrews facing charges of perjury?

 

"Mr Andrews told a state parliamentary inquiry last month that it was “fundamentally incorrect to assert that there was hundreds of ADF staff on offer and somehow someone said no”.

But it’s been revealed Scott Morrison personally wrote to Mr Andrews three times to reaffirm the offer of ADF support as it was becoming clear there were problems in the Victorian hotel program.

Mr Morrison sent letters on July 4, 6 and 11. Mr Andrews personally wrote back on July 5, 7, 12 and 14.

Those letters, which were not contained in the government’s 149-page submission to the inquiry, have now been obtained by Sky News political editor Andrew Clennell under FOI.

They prove, in black and white, that Mr Andrews’ repeated claims are highly questionable."

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4 minutes ago, roxii said:

On a brighter note, my daughter is doing her HSC this year and with Covid and the home schooling adding to the usual pressure has really struggled (she is usually a great student) but anxiety really got her and she ended up medicated and almost suicidal at one point and her trial exams went really badly for her as a result.

Thanks to Uni's trying to lock in as many students as possible with international students not guaranteed, this morning she got notification that she has received early entry to uni for teaching (what she was after) so she can hopefully relax a bit for the actual exams. She only has to sit the exams now, marks are not important. 

That's one less stress to deal with at the moment.

Full on 

Hope it goes well for her and you all. ✌️

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SA lifts its restrictions to NSW residents entering effective now. Based on medical advice. 
 

QLD keeps its border shut to most of NSW residents for the foreseeable future. Based on medical advice. Apparently the whole of NSW is a hot spot still according to our CHO (which doesn’t explain the border bubble with Byron next week...)
 

So who’s right? 

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NSW 3 days with no new cases outside of quarantine. 

14 day average case rate 2.14, not bad for a population of 8 million 

I'm supposed to be in Qld for a family wedding tomorrow. 

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11 minutes ago, truck said:

SA lifts its restrictions to NSW residents entering effective now. Based on medical advice. 
 

QLD keeps its border shut to most of NSW residents for the foreseeable future. Based on medical advice. Apparently the whole of NSW is a hot spot still according to our CHO (which doesn’t explain the border bubble with Byron next week...)
 

So who’s right? 

Wa keeps border closed to everyone due to medical advice. So who is right

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46 minutes ago, roxii said:

On a brighter note, my daughter is doing her HSC this year and with Covid and the home schooling adding to the usual pressure has really struggled (she is usually a great student) but anxiety really got her and she ended up medicated and almost suicidal at one point and her trial exams went really badly for her as a result.

Thanks to Uni's trying to lock in as many students as possible with international students not guaranteed, this morning she got notification that she has received early entry to uni for teaching (what she was after) so she can hopefully relax a bit for the actual exams. She only has to sit the exams now, marks are not important. 

That's one less stress to deal with at the moment.

Really awesome to hear!  My daughter has had a couple of chats to people at her Uni; she's really struggling this semester after kicking it's arse last one.

Maybe even with just the early offer, she may be able to access some of the counseling help at the Uni.  I know our local one has expanded its support this year.  

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I'm sure it has more to do with politics than we give credit to.

SA & NSW both liberal governments and obviously Fed as well.  I'm sure there's a bit of pressure from above. At least the Labour premiers can tell Scomo to jam it. I suspect if WA was Liberal the SA/WA border would also be open.  Now that SA has opened up to NSW it will be even longer before WA opens up.

I'd prefer to see NSW have a longer period of zero transmission before we opened the border but its done now.  Hopefully they've got it right.

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1 minute ago, MattS said:

I'm sure it has more to do with politics than we give credit to.

SA & NSW both liberal governments and obviously Fed as well.  I'm sure there's a bit of pressure from above. At least the Labour premiers can tell Scomo to jam it. I suspect if WA was Liberal the SA/WA border would also be open.  Now that SA has opened up to NSW it will be even longer before WA opens up.

I'd prefer to see NSW have a longer period of zero transmission before we opened the border but its done now.  Hopefully they've got it right.

I'm good with this. Would rather visit NSW & QLD before heading west.

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Another bad day for Dan Andrews team. 
 

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A Supreme Court judge has rejected a bid by lawyers defending the Andrews government to withhold legal documents that discussed whether extending the curfew was a violation of Victoria’s Human Rights Charter.

Justice Tim Ginnane on Thursday ordered the release of several documents that detail advice received by Michelle Giles, who is being sued in her capacity as Victoria's Deputy Public Health Commander, about whether extending the curfew constituted a violation of Victorians' rights.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/judge-insists-government-must-share-legal-advice-on-keeping-curfew-20200924-p55yse.html

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Then this.  Jenny throwing more of Dans team under the bus 

Victoria's Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton.CREDIT:EDDIE JIM

  • Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos slammed the quality of private security companies as they worked in hotel quarantine, saying it was too risky to have them guarding travellers and they should be replaced by the Australian Defence Force.
  • After the June outbreaks at two Melbourne hotels, Ms Mikakos wanted Victoria Police, Alfred Health and other health services staff, Protective Services officers, Sheriffs and a “small number” of ADF members to take control. However, the Health Minister wrote in her statement to the inquiry that this was rejected by the Victorian government.
  • The first time Ms Mikakos knew that private security was being used to guard the state's hotel quarantine detainees was when outbreaks occurred in mid-May in the Rydges on Swanston hotel, almost two months after the program began.
  • In a statement, Ms Mikakos said she did not believe it was her Health Department’s role to ensure private security guards and other workers in Victoria’s quarantine hotels were adhering to infection control measures such as wearing personal protective equipment. In hindsight, she said, she would not support the use of private security guards in hotel quarantine.
  • The Health Minister also admitted that even though the Department of Health and Human Services was the lead government agency on the hotels program, she was never consulted on how it was set up and was not involved in or consulted about the initial decisions that were made. "With the benefit of hindsight, it would have been desirable if I had been," Ms Mikakos replied.
  • She also said that by mid-June, she believed there were “too many cooks spoiling the broth” in the hotels program by mid-June and "worked to have all the aspects of the program moved to one department, being the DJCS [Department of Justice and Community Safety]".
  • Victoria's Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton.
  • Ms Mikakos also told the inquiry she wasn't consulted about the decision to sideline Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton as the state controller in charge of the COVID-19 pandemic. In earlier evidence heard by the inquiry, the Health Department's deputy secretary and secretary decided to appoint someone other than Professor Sutton, claiming he was too busy in his lead advisory role and being the face of the pandemic.
  • Ms Mikakos gave evidence on the same day as an explosive letter from the Health Workers' Union demanding Premier Daniel Andrews sack her. The letter claimed that locked-down Victorians are paying the price for her incompetence. Health Workers Union secretary Diana Asmar wrote that Ms Mikakos be ousted for "breathtaking incompetence".
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2 hours ago, -- AJ -- said:

All of them.  Different variables in each state means you'll get a different answer to what appears on the surface to be the same question.

What variables are you thinking? From what we know if you are obese, have diabetes, male and are older then you’re more vulnerable. Not sure that’s how Queenslanders would identify themselves as?

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14 minutes ago, truck said:

What variables are you thinking? From what we know if you are obese, have diabetes, male and are older then you’re more vulnerable. Not sure that’s how Queenslanders would identify themselves as?

Nsw and Vic are in front Re fatties per 100,000 people. But on average given the population size Vic would be the fattest and then Queenslanders  

nsw 8.9 million
Vic 6.5million

qld 5 million

 

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11 minutes ago, truck said:

What variables are you thinking? From what we know if you are obese, have diabetes, male and are older then you’re more vulnerable. Not sure that’s how Queenslanders would identify themselves as?

If it were me I'd consider the following

For my State: The number infections, how long its been since the last community transmissions, anticipated lifestyle of people (e.g indoor or outdoors),   Risk

For the other state : The number infections, how long its been since the last community transmissions, anticipated lifestyle,  Risk of people bringing the virus in.

So if I were AP I'd look at

ACT:  0 infections, long time since last community,  low risk = borders open

NSW(Sydney and surrounds): current infections, recent community transmission, medium to high risk. Border shut

NSW(Northern): No current infections, no recent community transmission, low risk. Border open with conditions.

VIC: Lots of infections, recent community transmission, Very High risk. Border tightly closed.

I'm sure that they look at other stuff as well but could explain the differences in thinking and why some borders are open and some arn't.

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15 minutes ago, -- AJ -- said:

If it were me I'd consider the following

For my State: The number infections, how long its been since the last community transmissions, anticipated lifestyle of people (e.g indoor or outdoors),   Risk

For the other state : The number infections, how long its been since the last community transmissions, anticipated lifestyle,  Risk of people bringing the virus in.

So if I were AP I'd look at

ACT:  0 infections, long time since last community,  low risk = borders open

NSW(Sydney and surrounds): current infections, recent community transmission, medium to high risk. Border shut

NSW(Northern): No current infections, no recent community transmission, low risk. Border open with conditions.

VIC: Lots of infections, recent community transmission, Very High risk. Border tightly closed.

I'm sure that they look at other stuff as well but could explain the differences in thinking and why some borders are open and some arn't.

See this is what I find amusing.  Regional Victoria has less cases than nsw. Yet you say very high risk.  And that’s wrong. 
 

even in Melbourne today. 12 new cases. 9 were in aged care/ health care. 2 in a meat works. 1 linked to Casey 5 family cluster. Sure I wouldn’t open to the Melbourne area but to someone from regional Victoria, its totally under Control. Yet you say very high risk. I think that’s just uneducated.  
 

ballarat for example has 110,000 people with zero cases for ages. 
bendigo has 118,000 people. 1 case.  In months. 
geelong has 250,000 people. 3 cases in months. 
 

byron bay has had cases when ballarat hasn’t. 
same with the snow fields. Etc...
 

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pretty disappointing to have the ADF pulled from QLD borders. Their role has been pivotal throughout this period.  Apart from numbers, they provide infrastructure which the states don't have.

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5 minutes ago, Peter said:

See this is what I find amusing.  Regional Victoria has less cases than nsw. Yet you say very high risk.  And that’s wrong. 

 

Yep, 6 cases in total in our LGA.  Pretty sure at least 3 of them were actually in Melbourne but got recorded here due to the reporting process and no new cases since August 5 (which was actually in Melbourne).

 

The bulk of our specialist medical needs are in Adelaide, we are physically closer to Adelaide, but South Australia has us on a hard lock out, but is open to NSW. 

 

Does that mean SA doesn't trust that Melbourne people will stay in Melbourne?

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11 minutes ago, Merv said:

pretty disappointing to have the ADF pulled from QLD borders. Their role has been pivotal throughout this period.  Apart from numbers, they provide infrastructure which the states don't have.

I'm sure Dan has some Uber drivers he could lend you?

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20 minutes ago, Toolish said:

Does that mean SA doesn't trust that Melbourne people will stay in Melbourne?

Maybe. I went through the Gisborne Road block on Tuesday.  Didn’t even stop. Waved through. 
 

maybe the cop just thought, single male. Dressed well.  Profiled. All good. Keep going. 

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