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Swab result - Covid negative. Just a coincidental illness. Means I can leave the house! Hooray! Have cancelled ambulance shift for Sunday because still feeling under the weather but back out again nex

On behalf of everyone else here on Trannies (apologies to those who I purport to be speaking for who don't share my view), mate, would you mind putting a lid on your intentionally inflammatory comment

Thought I'd check in with you all. Have to say I'm struggling a bit with redundancy, the virus and its knock on effects. Trying to stay positive but feeling quite 'isolated' over here now and starting

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1 hour ago, BogFrog said:

Just because they aren't using hand sanitiser doesn't mean they aren't washing their hands... 

But you have to admit that accessing a tap is not as convenient, depending on how many things they touch during a shift.

They would have to go to an unused room and I doubt there is one of those, so that means the lobby, which means more touching, and I doubt they have been conditioned to hit the buttons with elbows.

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15 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

I just asked a Muslim guy I work with about this and he says it doesn’t make sense to him as they are allowed to use hand sanitizer. He told me there are bottles of it everywhere at Mosques.

To be fair, like most religions there seems to be different levels from the fanatical to progressive. 

From personal experience theres a similar thing  with some Christians not drinking alcohol (aka the devils brew) and others don't care.  Caused some interesting moments in our household

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Oh Dan.... Liar liar pants on fire... 

"As Daniel Andrews faces mounting pressure over his now-debunked claim that military support was never on the table for Victoria’s failed hotel quarantine program, it’s been revealed the PM wrote to him directly on three occasions to offer support." 

I wonder if any of us made a terrible blunder in our workplace  and then repeatedly lied about it... Would we get to keep our jobs...? 

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6 minutes ago, more said:

Oh Dan.... Liar liar pants on fire... 

"As Daniel Andrews faces mounting pressure over his now-debunked claim that military support was never on the table for Victoria’s failed hotel quarantine program, it’s been revealed the PM wrote to him directly on three occasions to offer support." 

I wonder if any of us made a terrible blunder in our workplace  and then repeatedly lied about it... Would we get to keep our jobs...? 

If it was linked to us that our decisions resulted in people’s deaths, we would actually be in jail already. 

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13 hours ago, Peter said:

I've volunteered for the Russian vaccine trials for Covid today.

I received my first shot this morning and want to let you know that it’s completely safe with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствуюсебя немного страннои я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.

Putins vaccine has a 50% success rate. It worked on his daughter but failed on the opposition leader.. 

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31 minutes ago, more said:

I wonder if any of us made a terrible blunder in our workplace  and then repeatedly lied about it... Would we get to keep our jobs...? 

Your work experience seems to be so extremely different from mine.  I've very occasionally seen a high level manager admit to mistakes, but that would be lucky to be 1% of time.  Nearly always shifting blame, didn't know, wasn't my responsibility, or any other lies they can come up with.

On a different but similar note, how many lost their jobs after the Banking Royal Commission?  I personally know of one small business owner whose career was completely destroyed, but in the big banks I don't think much happened.  Quite a few were worried about spending 10+ years in jail for their actions.  But it all seemed to blow over and they didn't even lose their jobs, let alone spend time in jail.

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48 minutes ago, more said:

Oh Dan.... Liar liar pants on fire... 

"As Daniel Andrews faces mounting pressure over his now-debunked claim that military support was never on the table for Victoria’s failed hotel quarantine program, it’s been revealed the PM wrote to him directly on three occasions to offer support." 

I wonder if any of us made a terrible blunder in our workplace  and then repeatedly lied about it... Would we get to keep our jobs...? 

Seriously, I'm wondering if you've ever seen what politicians do and get away with, or caught doing?  It's almost a silly question you're asking, cause pollies do this stuff all the time!  At worst, they may eventually loose their job, but mostly just  seem to have to pay some money back, with a slap on the wrist.

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Coronavirus: How Victoria’s contact tracers struggled while NSW’s triumphed

 

Every morning at 11 sharp, NSW Health sends out its daily coronavirus press release, detailing each new case, including the cluster to which it’s been linked, and any location­s associated with it.

South of the Murray, Victoria’s Department of Health and Human Services is still doing things differently, more than a month after the peak of a second wave of infections which has killed 718 people, compared with three deaths in NSW over the same period.

 

 

Premier Daniel Andrews proclaimed last week that a contingent from Victoria including DHHS and Australian Defence Force personnel and the nation’s Chief Scientist Alan Finkel was only travelling to Sydney to “double and triple check” whether the southern state’s contact tracing protocol was up to scratch.

But any close examination of each state’s case data in the early days of their second waves of corona­virus cases indicates the stark difference in their cumulative case numbers (4185 compared with 19,943) is no accident.

This is despite NSW’s second wave comprising six separate “index” cases of community transmission — all genomically linked to Victoria — compared with at least 99 per cent of ­Vic­toria’s second wave being geno­m­­ic­ally linked to breaches at two quarantine hotels.

As independent data analyst and covidlive.com.au founder Anthony Macali has demonstrated clearly with two simple graphs showing the first fortnights in which Victoria and NSW recorded more than 10 locally acquired cases per day, after previously having days of zero, Victoria’s days of 700+ new cases followed weeks of contact tracers failing to rapidly investigate cases. Its testing rate in the early days was also less than half that of NSW at the same point in the cycle.

 
 

Victoria went from no new cases on June 9 to 17 on June 17 — its first day of more than 10 locally acquired cases. In the three days from June 17, the average number of tests conducted was 5991. By June 25, there were 26 cases under investigation. This soared to a peak of 3969 on August 5.

NSW recorded its first day of more than 10 locally acquired cases on July 13, with an average testing rate over the next three days of 14,170 and an “under investigation­” figure that never rose above four in the next fortnight and was more often zero.

 
theaustralian.com.au3:26

Victoria to boost contact tracing effort

Local response teams will soon be rolled out across Melbourne so contact tracers can identify coronavirus outbreaks more quickly using specialised knowledge.
 

Crucially, a comparison between Victoria’s current practices and those in NSW indicates that while the numbers have fallen dramatically from 7880 active cases on August 11 to 991 on Wednesday, DHHS still lags behind in rapidly establishing and commun­icating case data — a practice which becomes ever more important amid the ­Victorian roadmap, which leaves Melburnians under stay-at-home and curfew restrictions until there have been no unknown source cases for a fortnight.

The Victorian department’s daily press release can arrive at any point between 1.30pm and al­most­ 5pm, and contains no breakdown of the clusters to which the day’s cases have been linked, with more than a dozen of each day’s cases still “under investigation”.

A few weeks ago this number was in the hundreds. On Wednesday, 13 of 42 new cases were “under investigation” almost 24 hours after the department had been notified of their existence.

 

Asked why Victoria could not follow the example of its interstate counterpart and offer more detail regarding each day’s cases, Health Minister Jenny Mikakos said: “I’m absolutely committed to making sure we provide as much information as possible to the community. We have been putting more and more data, ­including details of localised ­outbreaks, on the DHHS website and if there’s more information we can put in the Chief Health Officer’s media release.’’

The Australian also asked why there was a handful of previously reported cases each day that got reclassified due to duplication. On Wednesday this was 10, meaning almost a quarter of Tuesday’s 42 new cases had in fact been duplicates.

The minister said lab results coming through overnight and a process of “sifting through the data” may explain duplication.

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11 minutes ago, Rob said:

Your work experience seems to be so extremely different from mine.  I've very occasionally seen a high level manager admit to mistakes, but that would be lucky to be 1% of time.  Nearly always shifting blame, didn't know, wasn't my responsibility, or any other lies they can come up with.

On a different but similar note, how many lost their jobs after the Banking Royal Commission?  I personally know of one small business owner whose career was completely destroyed, but in the big banks I don't think much happened.  Quite a few were worried about spending 10+ years in jail for their actions.  But it all seemed to blow over and they didn't even lose their jobs, let alone spend time in jail.

I'm not sure the point you are trying to make? That its O.K for Dan to repeatedly lie. or that if we lied we wouldn't lose our jobs?

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2 minutes ago, goughy said:

Seriously, I'm wondering if you've ever seen what politicians do and get away with, or caught doing?  It's almost a silly question you're asking, cause pollies do this stuff all the time!  At worst, they may eventually loose their job, but mostly just  seem to have to pay some money back, with a slap on the wrist.

Yes, so also to you-whats your point mate? That we shouldn't point out these things, just accept them?

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26 minutes ago, Rob said:

On a different but similar note, how many lost their jobs after the Banking Royal Commission?  I personally know of one small business owner whose career was completely destroyed, but in the big banks I don't think much happened.  Quite a few were worried about spending 10+ years in jail for their actions.  But it all seemed to blow over and they didn't even lose their jobs, let alone spend time in jail.

This. 

And it all seemed to be with the blessing of the Federal Gov who continually tried to stop the Royal Commission.

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16 minutes ago, more said:

I'm not sure the point you are trying to make? That its O.K for Dan to repeatedly lie. or that if we lied we wouldn't lose our jobs?

 

16 minutes ago, more said:

Yes, so also to you-whats your point mate? That we shouldn't point out these things, just accept them?

You asked the question "would you lose your job", and Goughy & Rob just responded that in many situations, no, you wouldn't.

Why have a go at them for answering YOUR question?

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19 minutes ago, more said:

Yes, so also to you-whats your point mate? That we shouldn't point out these things, just accept them?

Neither.  Just that you're post made it sound like this was news to you, whereas it's quite a regular occurrence.  Doesn't mean it right or excusable, just not new.  

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3 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

 

You asked the question "would you lose your job", and Goughy & Rob just responded that in many situations, no, you wouldn't.

Why have a go at them for answering YOUR question?

No they didn't. They used examples of banking royal commissions and other lying politicians. If you made a similar mistake in your role and then lied about it you would be lieing again if you think you wouldn't be fired.

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3 minutes ago, goughy said:

Neither.  Just that you're post made it sound like this was news to you, whereas it's quite a regular occurrence.  Doesn't mean it right or excusable, just not new.  

Hardly, it was an observation of how politicians are largely immune from any type of responsibility or consequences from being incompetent or dishonest.

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1 hour ago, more said:

I wonder if any of us made a terrible blunder in our workplace  and then repeatedly lied about it... Would we get to keep our jobs...? 

From my experience, Most of the time the people who made that piss-poor decision move on before their lies are found out. 

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1 hour ago, more said:

Oh Dan.... Liar liar pants on fire... 

"As Daniel Andrews faces mounting pressure over his now-debunked claim that military support was never on the table for Victoria’s failed hotel quarantine program, it’s been revealed the PM wrote to him directly on three occasions to offer support." 

I wonder if any of us made a terrible blunder in our workplace  and then repeatedly lied about it... Would we get to keep our jobs...? 

Rather that derail this thread into politics, why not leave it for discussion on the virus. We started a seperate thread for exactly what you’re talking about for that reason.

Victorian Coronavirus Inquiry & Vic Gov’s handling of quarantining

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5 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

Rather that derail this thread into politics, why not leave it for discussion on the virus. We started a seperate thread for exactly what you’re talking about for that reason.

Victorian Coronavirus Inquiry & Vic Gov’s handling of quarantining

lol Dan has been mentioned in every page for about the last 10 pages, Victoria and its handling is central to how this outbreak occurred, the situation we (the country) are now in, and how it affects every one of you but yep o.k lets split it out again because...some people don't like reading negative (but honest) things about a labor politician... 

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You’re confused More, you haven’t heard of it? 16 of the 100 posts in that thread are yours  😂

This thread is about the virus. 
The other thread is about exactly whet you are wanting to discuss/troll

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

You’re confused More, you haven’t heard of it? 16 of the 100 posts in that thread are yours  😂

This thread is about the virus. 
The other thread is about exactly whet you are wanting to discuss/troll

 

 

Its pretty sad to be honest Mike that you are so sensitive to me saying a politician (or is it just a labor one..) is not held accountable to the same standards you or me would be is considered 'trolling'....

But o.k, I will post all the Dan info in that thread especially just for you ;)

BTW there is a great special on Netflix called 'the social dilemma' and how social media is making people myopic and only interested in reading about things that reinforce their existing beliefs. You should watch it. 

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3 hours ago, Mike Del said:

Rather that derail this thread into politics, why not leave it for discussion on the virus. We started a seperate thread for exactly what you’re talking about for that reason.

Victorian Coronavirus Inquiry & Vic Gov’s handling of quarantining

From my perspective Vic (and what it is/is not) doing is front and centre to CV19.  Whether we like it or not Dan is setting the bar to which the other States/Territories and their strategies are getting measured and that's a very low bar unfortunately.  To me it's not a politics thing it's whether or not his strategies are the right ones so this thread is a good place for it to be. 

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I don't have a prob with scomo having to quarantine for 14 days before entering qld, although there should be an exemption there for him.

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19 minutes ago, Merv said:

I don't have a prob with scomo having to quarantine for 14 days before entering qld, although there should be an exemption there for him.

You can have tests completed in 15 minutes. 
 

this whole 14 days is stupid. 

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Just now, Peter said:

Did he catch it in quarantine? 

No. The incubation period is between 1 and 14 days, with most people around the 5 to 6 days (or so says the scientific evidence), hence the 14 day quarantine period. 

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26 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

No. The incubation period is between 1 and 14 days, with most people around the 5 to 6 days (or so says the scientific evidence), hence the 14 day quarantine period. 

Was he tested at the beginning of quarantine or just went into quarantine untested?

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54 minutes ago, Peter said:

Is it? Not in Victoria 

Apparently it isn't for a normal "contact" here either, but this one was a health care worker, who was quarantined along with 200+ others from Ipswich Hospital. They were all tested going in to quarantine.

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48 minutes ago, BarryBevan said:

except the text does not show that

You’ll find just about every “startling claim” in this thread has turned out to be either fake, altered, a lie, or at best over exaggerated. 

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9 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

You’ll find just about every “startling claim” in this thread has turned out to be either fake, altered, a lie, or at best over exaggerated. 

Including this one? 🤣

But seriously, what happens here is only a reflection of the mainstream media which consists of (more and more) biased reporting of selected facts to suit their own agenda and interlaced with (fewer and fewer) well written and well researched thought provoking articles.

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51 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

You’ll find just about every “startling claim” in this thread has turned out to be either fake, altered, a lie, or at best over exaggerated. 

In other words you don't agree with what's posted so it must be fake news... Kind of like your lie in the Trump thread? 

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"Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews is facing questions about why he failed to announce a $4957 fine at yesterday’s coronavirus update, instead leaving it to police to break the news 90 minutes later.

Victoria’s Shadow Minister for Police, Liberal MP David Southwick, wrote on Twitter: “Our Victoria Police don’t set the rules – they are there to enforce them. Is Daniel Andrews delegating bad news or are police just running the show now?"

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"A former economist at the Victorian Treasury Department has quit his job in protest at Daniel Andrews’ “police state”, penning a devastating op-ed slamming the government’s coronavirus response.

Mr Sabhlok announced his resignation on social media last week in a message to Mr Andrews. “I did not come to Australia to be a slave of whimsical government,” he said.

“You have not implemented risk-based management, no evidence-based policy, no cost-benefit analysis. No justification. Just whimsy. You must reset Victoria’s policies right now. But if you won’t, then go"

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1 hour ago, more said:

In other words you don't agree with what's posted so it must be fake news... Kind of like your lie in the Trump thread? 

What does in other words even mean? I think that’s your problem more, you can’t grasp that facts are facts, truths are truths. Faked and altered videos shared off Twitter aren’t the truth, an altered Gov document to show suicide numbers 3 times higher than they really are isn’t the truth, doctored figures in newspaper stories aren’t the truth, posting a statement from a British newspaper about their Government’s COVID response and claiming it’s about Dan Andrews isn’t the truth. They’re all in this thread and I can’t understand why you would get so aggressive if someone points out information here that’s not the truth. 
 

And what are going on about involving me and the Trump thread?

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2 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Is this the same economist who was pushing for people to sign a petition to ensure there would be no mandatory vaccinations, or repercussions for those that didn't want to be vaccinated?

 

2 hours ago, more said:

"A former economist at the Victorian Treasury Department has quit his job in protest at Daniel Andrews’ “police state”, penning a devastating op-ed slamming the government’s coronavirus response.

Mr Sabhlok announced his resignation on social media last week in a message to Mr Andrews. “I did not come to Australia to be a slave of whimsical government,” he said.

“You have not implemented risk-based management, no evidence-based policy, no cost-benefit analysis. No justification. Just whimsy. You must reset Victoria’s policies right now. But if you won’t, then go"

I know this guy ha ha. 

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