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Feel for the kids, feel for the mother. What kind of arse says I'm just taking the kids on a trip to visit their family and then says I'm not bringing them back? Are we at the point now where if a partner/parent says I'm just taking the kids on a trip to visit family (in a country not a signatory to the hague convention) then you have to say no way in hell?

 

Saw the dad on ABC this morning (see that RS, no Kochie!!!) going on about how traumatised the kids are by this and why were they hurting grandma etc - but they wouldn't even have a full understanding yet that their father wasn't taking them back to see their mum.

 

Everyone in this sucks cept the kids - and I really feel for the mum. Would I do the same thing - who knows, maybe!

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Man this is a complicated story....

 

Put yourself in the mothers shoes ... kids get taken by husband to Lebanon and he says he is never bringing them back....

 

There was an interview with a dude on radio the other day that runs a company that assist in getting kids back, he says the cost is usually about $100k for a fairly straightforward case. The mother probably doesn't have $100K lying around and 60 mins approach her to say they can foot the bill. What do you do??

 

60 mins and tabloid journalism is shit, but what would you do if your kids were taken by your partner and someone offered you the money to get them back?

 

On the other side, we don't know what the deal was between these parents behind closed doors - the mother could be a nutter for all we know, of the father could be a bastard.... who knows.

 

For me, the people to blame are the parents (or atleast one of them). Not just related to this case - but how many times have we seen parents unable to sort our their shit (either between themselves, with a mediator or through the court). Its always the poor kids that get caught in the way of parents who are unable to act like adults....

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On the project the other night they spoke to a 'recovery' specialist. It seems like there are hundreds of these cases every year. It's cheaper to get the kids out of Asian countries, but he said African and middle eastern country's it runs at least 150k. He also said the only jobs they'll take on are ones where there is a custody order in, or put in place. Maybe so he feels justified in doing it.

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Put yourself in the mum's shoes and you dont let the kids go to Lebanon in the first place ...... fullstop.

 

The decisin to do so was dumb and now she (and the kids) will suffer the consequences of a stupid decision.

 

There are plenty of instances of people taking kids overseas and not returning, they are reported regularly.

 

Do not let your former spouse take your kids out of the jurisdiction, whatever nice reason he or she may give.

 

60 mins .... tough luck, enjoy Big Ali's company!

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sucked in to the ambulance chasing arse clowns. Yeah nah really i mean they should get the book thrown at them. we wouldnt want that shit happening in our country.

 

I 100% agree. Imagine if someone from Iran came here and tried to kidnap kids with their in theory major TV show and network and it got stopped. FFS it would be all over the NEWS for weeks. The comment section in the papers would be great reading. Most would be calling for the people to get jail time for attempted kidnapping.

 

I totally feel sorry for the mum, there is no doubt about that. But to get help from CH9 rather than the government? Well that's just dumb.

 

Put yourself in the mum's shoes and you dont let the kids go to Lebanon in the first place ...... fullstop.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I totally agree with you, but I doubt you'd think about it at the time.

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While I also agree about how we'd be screaming if it happened here, would it have actually happened here? We are signatories to the Hague child protection thingy, so if the govt was legally potitioned by a parent who's kids were brought here, wouldn't we be doing something? Wasn't there a case a few years ago with a mum in hiding with her kids here who the authorities were hunting for. I'm sure I remember footage of the screaming children being dragged from their mother when caught and being shipped back to their dad on a plane, all while screaming away! So we can't compare countries in this.

 

I have no doubt the mother and the govt have done what they can. But if the country says tough titties they are with the dad now, what's the recourse? I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, but jeeze I couldn't live without my kids. I couldn't fathom what that mother is going through. God knows what I'd do!

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Here it is. Not trying to comment whether the mother was right or wrong, or whether the father was abusive or not. But it's an example of what we do when it happens in reverse.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/kidnapped-children-on-the-run-from-abusive-dad-declared-missing/

These kids are older than the two in Lebanon, and want to stay with the mum and not return to the dad but we're forced to.

 

I agree, we wouldn't react well to one of these recovery kidnapping scenarios, but a parent might not have to go to this lengths here.

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Fund and participate in a child abduction in another country

 

What could possibly go wrong?

 

I really wonder how once they had the kids were they going to get them out of the country and back to australia?

 

What was 60 minutes plan?

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I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, but jeeze I couldn't live without my kids. I couldn't fathom what that mother is going through. God knows what I'd do!

Anybody want to take my daughter to Lebanon? My wife would help her pack I'm sure.

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I really wonder how once they had the kids were they going to get them out of the country and back to australia?

 

What was 60 minutes plan?

I wouldn't say it was 60 minute's plan, but the recovery team plan. The team leader was caught in a yacht at some port or dock or something, so I'm guessing it was to hit the high seas and head to a country where they could get to an Australian embassy.

 

I read a report that said the father had had whispers about an attempt, and was able to get into the wifes email or something. From what I gather it failed because of a leak somewhere.

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Some thoughts

 

I agree that this is textbook gutter journalism, but I think some of the comments on there underscore how easy some of this appears in hindsight.....

 

How Many of You Have a Pre-nup or Legal Agreement for Child/Pet/Bike Custody in the event that things go shit?

 

Some of you have made comments that the mother should never have let them go to Lebanon, because 'we hear these stories all the time'. That's true, but how many of us have listened to the same advice? when things go pear-shaped, hindisight is wonderful, but the reality is not many of us would be prepared.

 

I just had a mate go through a terrible break-up, and no one saw how it would unfold. He's worth millions (maybe tens of millions), couple of kids, we thought the perfect marriage. She ended up accusing him of abusing the kids as a way of trying to get full custody and a huge chunk of his cash. no one ever thought she would go right off the rails..... no pre-nup, its taken years to go through the courts.

 

hindsight hey?? I reckon a lot of us would be in the same boat if our spouse went full-retard

 

There are a lot of people who have very good relatiionships with their ex's, raising kids together ... geez, divorce and re-marriage is almost the norm these days ..... how many people really have arrangments in place to prevent their partners going overseas with the kids ??

 

I'll bet its not many

 

What Would you Do?

 

Seriously, in the event that your partner has pissed off with the kids.... what would you do?

 

Some show stumps up with $200k (or whatever) to get the kids back. There are 100 cases like this each year. You do some research, you learn that its been done before. Someone is holding out the money.... all you have to do is agree to an interview ....

 

Would you do it?

 

I bet many people would!

 

 

Who knows whats behind closed doors?

 

At the end of the day, we don't know shit about this case.

 

The father could be a complete asshate. The mother could be a nutter ....

 

Its pretty easy after-the-fact to say 'don't let the kids go' or whatever, but I reckon a lot of people could find themselves in this exact situation ..... because despite us saying you can see it all coming the fact is that 99% of people aren't prepared for this stuff.

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I've got a school mate that I keep in contact on Facebook. 3 times a year he sends a post out to his kids wishing them a happy birthday, and another to remember the last day he saw them. I couldn't imagine being in that situation, but I'm guessing if he had any clue where his kids were being kept with their mother he would do anything to get them back.

 

Compare this case though with the other news story of the Mum that smothered her 15 month old here in Melbourne. Just goes to show the great range of emotions that people can have for their kids, yet it's the kids that seem to end up the victims.

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Did the mother give written permission for them to go? Most westernised countries (including Oz, NZ, UK, Canada and US) do not allow one parent to travel internationally without signed permission from the other parent.

 

No permission, no flight. So she must have given permission?

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Just heard that the father has said that they were all living happily in Lebanon together and in 2013 the mother brought the kids to Australia and tore up their passports! So who is right, who is wrong? Probably never know what the actual story is with all of this.

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I heard 60 minutes ratings were going down way too fast and Chanel 9 told them to get or make up a huge story or they were going to pull the show, so Tara or one of the produces leaked the rescue attempt to the dad with the hope they all got caught and charged with kidnapping. Well it worked, never seen so much interest in a 60 minutes story before.

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Here's a story about this sort of stuff. If you don't read the whole thing, at least read the last few paragraphs which are comments by one of the girls at the centre of the Australian kidnap case I mentioned earlier, who were returned to their father in Italy. The kid about says it all.

 

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/youll-do-whatever-it-takes-to-get-your-child-aussie-parents-who-share-sally-faulkners-pain/news-story/60a525f9a2b49020f743ccda34496592

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Just heard that the father has said that they were all living happily in Lebanon together and in 2013 the mother brought the kids to Australia and tore up their passports! ÃÂ So who is right, who is wrong? ÃÂ Probably never know what the actual story is with all of this.

Heard this too, but they arent repeating it as often as i guess it makes twge mother less of a "victim".

 

She seems to be the first party that took the kids o/s (to Aus) and wouldnt take them back. Tore up their passports and said they'd never go back. Then the father takes them back on holiday with her permission, wont send them back, so she gets 60min to abduct them? Sounds pretty dodgy.

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Their country, their rules. This is one of the things we teach our daughter when ever we travel (respect their laws & their customs etc) So the 60minutes crew deserve everything they get.

 

As for the back story re-taking the kids in the first place, its a shit situation & a shame both parents can't be mature enough to work something out which puts the kids needs first.

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As one of the girls who are now in Italy said in the story I linked a few posts above, now a few years after being returned to Italy. She says she thinks her parents (both) were being selfish.

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I heard 60 minutes ratings were going down way too fast and Chanel 9 told them to get or make up a huge story or they were going to pull the show, so Tara or one of the produces leaked the rescue attempt to the dad with the hope they all got caught and charged with kidnapping. Well it worked, never seen so much interest in a 60 minutes story before.

 

 

60 minutes should be torn a new one for this. So far over the line they cant even see the line anymore.

The senior management that allowed it to happen should lose their jobs

 

I stopped watching 60 minutes permanently when they made up the story about Cameron Smith and did a bad edit when the newcastle guy got his neck broken.

 

Back story. He got injured and the game was stopped for 10+ minutes and he was taken off the field.

 

But 60 minutes did an edit to make it look like after 10 seconds Cameron asked for the game to restart. Then they never spoke to Cameron about it in the story and just made him out to look really bad. The story up until then was a really positive one and there was no need for the muck they edited into the piece.

 

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/opinion/chasing-the-headlines-on-alex-mckinnon-and-cameron-smith-60-minutes-has-devastated-two-families/news-story/a9d245db44b2d3fe9369b7170e0652c4

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More stuff out about this today. 60 minutes paid the mother 115k before the attempted recovery. No idea if that was just for her story, or if that money was then used to pay the recovery crew. Seems on the low side for a recovery from that part of the world, maybe why it ended up botched if it was to pay for it.

 

Also, Oz courts have a custody order for the mother, saying that she has full custody of the children, and that Aussie police or someone appointed by her as her agent are allowed to get her children back, but didn't register that in Lebanon.

 

The dad has gotten a custody order from a religious court in Lebanon. Don't know who had their custody order in place first.

 

The judge is not considering the attempt as a kidnapping, but as a mother attempting to reunite with her children.

 

Quite frankly, this whole thing sounds like one great big mess!

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Desperate family members of the 60 Minutes team held in Beirut have confronted Channel Nine executives as the child snatching drama enters its second week, amid claims that the network indirectly funded the botched child snatching attempt. ​

According to a report of Wednesday's meeting, the wife of one crew member asked Nine chief executive Hugh Marks: "Since when is Channel Nine in the business of child stealing? Is that what we do now?"

 

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/news-and-current-affairs/60-minutes-crisis-nine-bats-away-child-stealing-jibe-stays-mum-on-lawyers-claim-it-paid-for-abductions-20160415-go70ha.html#ixzz45rnKXJKD

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I'd be expecting workcover to get involved now for the 60 minutes staff. ie camera man etc...

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So the father dropped the charges. I wonder if he'll be doing a 60 minutes interview?

 

The father sounds like a prick but he's played this well. Gets a 'religious' custody ruling in Lebanon, won't drop the charges until the mother relinquishes all rights to the kids and now milks 60 Minutes for somewhere up to a million bucks.

What a farce of a system this is.

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The father sounds like a prick but he's played this well. Gets a 'religious' custody ruling in Lebanon, won't drop the charges until the mother relinquishes all rights to the kids and now milks 60 Minutes for somewhere up to a million bucks.

What a farce of a system this is.

 

 

I hope the father made at least 2 mil out of it. Sucked in 60 min.

 

Channel 9 farked this mum over and now she has ZERO chance of seeing her kids ever again.

 

Just like I believe that if Channel 9 never got involved in the Corby affair in Bali, she wouldn't have spent time in jail at all either. She would have paid the fine to the cops/system in bali and been free. (I am not discussing if she was guilty or not)

But it was Channel 9's involvement that farked her over too.

 

I hope the mum gets back to australia and sues the shit out of Channel 9 saying they came to her sand said they could get her kids back to Australia.

 

If I was on the case I'd give her 100 mill.

 

I blame this whole thing on Channel 9

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There's plenty of stories floating around - the father took the kids, that she took the kids in the first place. I think both parents need a clip on the ear and told to grow up and sort it out. The real victims are the kids here.

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Lot of blame being laid on the mother. Only thing she is to blame for is stupidity, letting the husband take the kids to Lebanon in the first place, a country that doesn't recognise international conventions on child custody and sides with fathers automatically. She was obviously desperate and tried the media approach to get her kids back.

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Lot of blame being laid on the mother. Only thing she is to blame for is stupidity, letting the husband take the kids to Lebanon in the first place, a country that doesn't recognise international conventions on child custody and sides with fathers automatically. She was obviously desperate and tried the media approach to get her kids back.

 

But she took the kids to Australia after living in Lebanon and destroyed their passports. Their place of residence for 3 years was Lebanon.

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yeah a few questions I'd love to know the answers too.

 

1. Did she leave him or he left her and why?

2. When Channel 9 got the kids onto a boat and out of the country as planned, what was the next step? They would need to sail somewhere and then they wouldn't be able to get into that country or when they finally got back to australia, how would the kids get in? What was Channel 9's plan for that.

3. How long until Ch7 pay the dad $100K to interview him?

4. Why didn't ch9 pay to get the guys they hired out of jail too? Why just their people? Prick act. its was one in all in until Ch9's plan failed.

5. Who at Ch9 will lose their jobs over this? The Producer and Tara Brown should for sure. Seriously what company allows their staff to commit a crime such as kidnapping?

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