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Cranky. I read in another thread you have the Sitero saddle. Which has a super clean aero improving rear bottle holder set up. Then I look at the parachute set up you are running behind your saddle. Is that just for training ?

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My Ultraman bike is even more simpler

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Only thing I would add to this for IM is my disk

 

 

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This is what u want to get your set up

Like , simple and very aero

No crap hanging off

 

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Very nice and clean!

 

But........... what about that thread here somewhere (can't find it) on some aero testing cervelo did that showed this weird vortex that happens directly behind the rider, it kinda didn't matter what they stuck back there, it had no effect? I'm sure it was something like that! Maybe someone better than me could find the thread.... there was also another one a few years ago regarding some testing HED did I think. I think it was the testing that showed a bottle on your seat tube (not down tube) was more aero than not having a bottle there.

 

I've been wondering about making some changes myself. I used to just zip tie a cage under my seat instead of using my xlab carrier thingy. Up to OD distance I only carried one drink bottle, so I used the rear cage for spares. I'm half thinking of doing something similar again and sticking the other cage between my bars (now I've moved them out I may be able to fit one there). Then just carrying two drink bottles and a third bottle for spares. I don't have one of those cool bikes with all the funky aero boxes on the frame for holding stuff. For half or longer races how do you fit all the stuff on there? I'm slow enough I carry even two tubes etc cause changing a flat or two really doesn't affect my day.

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And I guess, the other point is, if it's just gonna carry spares, then why not just stick a bag under there? But what if you wanna carry 3 drinks..... what do I try then?

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Very nice and clean!

 

But........... what about that thread here somewhere (can't find it) on some aero testing cervelo did that showed this weird vortex that happens directly behind the rider, it kinda didn't matter what they stuck back there, it had no effect? I'm sure it was something like that! Maybe someone better than me could find the thread.... there was also another one a few years ago regarding some testing HED did I think. I think it was the testing that showed a bottle on your seat tube (not down tube) was more aero than not having a bottle there.

 

I've been wondering about making some changes myself. I used to just zip tie a cage under my seat instead of using my xlab carrier thingy. Up to OD distance I only carried one drink bottle, so I used the rear cage for spares. I'm half thinking of doing something similar again and sticking the other cage between my bars (now I've moved them out I may be able to fit one there). Then just carrying two drink bottles and a third bottle for spares. I don't have one of those cool bikes with all the funky aero boxes on the frame for holding stuff. For half or longer races how do you fit all the stuff on there? I'm slow enough I carry even two tubes etc cause changing a flat or two really doesn't affect my day.

Cervelo are full of Croke

One bottle with a cage zipp tied to the saddle is no problem like rog has posted and u said u use is fine

That thing cranky posted that she had behind the saddle is just gunna slow you down

 

You can tape gels to the top tube, use a bento box , or put stuff in your pockets . Or all three

Best to try and use what u can in the race then u don't have to carry too much

 

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And I guess, the other point is, if it's just gonna carry spares, then why not just stick a bag under there? But what if you wanna carry 3 drinks..... what do I try then?

Yep get a nice tight bag , you only need two tubes and levers and 2 co2

If you need more than that , then you day is rooted and just wait for the mechanics on the Moto

 

You don't need to carry thre drinks , just use a concentration of you drink in one biddon (or pick up a second from special needs ) and water from aid stations

Better still use gels and the drink they provide at aid stations

 

If u need three biddon then go a biddon between bars and two on bike (or one on seat tube and one behind saddle ,zipp tied nice and tight behind your bum

 

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Cervelo are full of Croke

One bottle with a cage zipp tied to the saddle is no problem like rog has posted and u said u use is fine

That thing cranky posted that she had behind the saddle is just gunna slow you down

 

You can tape gels to the top tube, use a bento box , or put stuff in your pockets . Or all three

Best to try and use what u can in the race then u don't have to carry too much

 

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At the moment, my set up is more like cranky's, but I have zip tied one in the past, worked well. I've been thinking of getting one of those shaped bento box things, but that was mostly to keep my teeth in cause I really hate them when swimming, but if I do something longer I'm gonna need to eat.

 

Yep get a nice tight bag , you only need two tubes and levers and 2 co2

If you need more than that , then you day is rooted and just wait for the mechanics on the Moto

 

You don't need to carry thre drinks , just use a concentration of you drink in one biddon (or pick up a second from special needs ) and water from aid stations

Better still use gels and the drink they provide at aid stations

 

If u need three biddon then go a biddon between bars and two on bike (or one on seat tube and one behind saddle ,zipp tied nice and tight behind your bum

 

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Ivp

Yeah, never carried more than that (less for od, sometimes nothing in Sprint). I've tried the concentrate mix thing, that was a huge failure. Probably just carry two bottles of Gatorade then when ones empty grab water from the stations. Guess if I get to port Mac next year I'll have to keep some extras in special needs. Thanks for the tips.

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I run a bottle between the arms.

A bento box that fits tight to the stem and the same height / tube width, and

One rear bottle on the Sitero seat cage and a small bag tucked in under for spares (minimal).

 

The bottles between the arms and behind are likely to be faster than not having anything there ( see xlab and cervelo sites for starters).

 

From what I have seen (read) bottles on frames are always slower and the only time I've seen one test the same was the pretend one on the Cervelo P4. In fact it may have been a watt or so faster as it really was a faring in disguise hence UCI banning it.

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One rear bottle on the Sitero seat cage and a small bag tucked in under for spares (minimal).

 

I also use the Sitero seat and cage. How are you attaching the bag as thinking of carrying a second tube around the saddle area at Port and not decided/figured out how and where I should attach it?

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Is the rear cage actually built into the saddle?

If so does it work week? Hold all type/size of biddons and not rocket launch

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Hope you can see the image? (Not mine this is a specialised photo and cage etc). I'm using an Xlab gorilla cage not the super grippy XT). No issues so far and raced port with that set up. As well as a few local spots where I have lost bottles in the past with that pitiful "Profile" thingie.

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I also use the Sitero seat and cage. How are you attaching the bag as thinking of carrying a second tube around the saddle area at Port and not decided/figured out how and where I should attach it?

its a bit of a work in progress -I am messing around with an Xlab bag upside down behind the seat post and under the Bottom of the bottle. Worked OK in Geelong but I'm not so sure re Port. (I stuck the number to the frame not seat post).

To be honest if I was fit and "racing" I would have sorted this out. But I've only touched my race bike a few times since Geelong. Also I'm only doing 70.3 so I'm carrying a small amount.

Might have a tinker one night this week and will post any photos that might be / look useful.

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Cranky. I read in another thread you have the Sitero saddle. Which has a super clean aero improving rear bottle holder set up. Then I look at the parachute set up you are running behind your saddle. Is that just for training ?

No. I tried attaching my cages to that. It didn't fit. Must need a specific cage. ??

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This is what u want to get your set up

Like , simple and very aero

No crap hanging off

 

Mrs Ips set up for port

 

 

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Very nice

 

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Hope you can see the image? (Not mine this is a specialised photo and cage etc). I'm using an Xlab gorilla cage not the super grippy XT). No issues so far and raced port with that set up. As well as a few local spots where I have lost bottles in the past with that pitiful "Profile" thingie.

Can you do this with a double bottle holder? If not, I'm back to the bottle between the aero bars again. ....

 

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Can you do this with a double bottle holder? If not, I'm back to the bottle between the aero bars again. ....

 

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Why do you need 3 bottles? If you are going to say one is for spares, then no. Small bag between the rails & pillar.

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No. I tried attaching my cages to that. It didn't fit. Must need a specific cage. ??

Very nice

Can you do this with a double bottle holder? If not, I'm back to the bottle between the aero bars again. ....

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Why do you want a double. ??? Do you want to go slower??
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Why do you need 3 bottles? If you are going to say one is for spares, then no. Small bag between the rails & pillar.

YEAH !!!! (Has there not been multiple posts re this ?? ). Sorry for being cranky, cranky. Just trying to help :)
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No. I tried attaching my cages to that. It didn't fit. Must need a specific cage. ??

Very nice

 

Can you do this with a double bottle holder? If not, I'm back to the bottle between the aero bars again. ....

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If you need 3 bottle holders then Nuffin wrong with one between the bars

Just not the any of the ones u have posted before

Just zipp tie a cage between the bars , if u need help get people to post pics of thier set up with a btb holder

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Ok, I'll keep tj'ing crankys thread.

 

This is my setup at the back (just chucked that spares bottle in there for the sake of photo), with the nut thing that holds co2, and a little bag straps onto the back of it.

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But I don't have to have 3 bottles, especially if you can get special needs on the bike during an IM, when I get to one. I've recently widened my setup at the front and it's much more comfortable and my back hasn't been hurting since (coincidence I think). As long as it's back near my elbows I could put a bottle there, but don't know how to fit it with the stem etc (it's like a bump in the way) and that bit of the bars in front of the stem that has the Garmin mount on it (it doesn't need the mount anyway)

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I understand that aero and setup are important, but, it's not long till race day and Cranky should have been training on the final set up for a month or so by now. I like the thread but I am concerned about the fact Cranky's head is still busy sorting out this stuff.

 

Cage between the bars

Cage on the frame or seat tube

 

Someone please help her put a cage behind the seat.....

 

So the poor girl can get on with the important thing, Training on the bike as it will be for race day.

 

Best of luck Cranky. I wish I was in Qld to help with the cage behind the seat mounting. [emoji106]

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How about this as an option? Obviously not with red wine. The cages are the correct size for bidons and although the aerodynamic qualities are questionable, it's far easier to drink from the straw than having a bottle at the rear or on your TT bars. The helmet that comes with it, is not certified to Australian standards, but you can retro fit the cage/straw apparatus to any conventional road or aero helmet.

 

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I understand that aero and setup are important, but, it's not long till race day and Cranky should have been training on the final set up for a month or so by now. I like the thread but I am concerned about the fact Cranky's head is still busy sorting out this stuff.

 

Cage between the bars

Cage on the frame or seat tube

 

Someone please help her put a cage behind the seat.....

 

So the poor girl can get on with the important thing, Training on the bike as it will be for race day.

 

Best of luck Cranky. I wish I was in Qld to help with the cage behind the seat mounting. [emoji106]

 

Couldn't agree more - needs someone in person just to help with the set-up and then get on with training.

 

Cranky - do you swim with a tri squad? Isn't someone there who could sort this for you?

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This thread is really doing my head in now. A 'catered' ironman has aid stations every 15km or so (roughly 30 minutes) - it's actually possible to get by with one biddon cage - just have a gel and remaining water 500M before the station, turf the water biddon, take another, place in the cage, then take electorite - chug it down and toss on the way out - consume half the water biddon with another gel 15 minutes later. Repeat X 12 and you are done.

 

There is simply no need for more than two cages - which is optimal IMO. Also remember the KISS principle - don't frack around with fangled shaped aero bottles - just stick with the standard one - having it between the aero bars is also aero. Have the spare tucked in as close to your arse as possible behind the seat - a sitero seat is perfect for this. Spares under the seat or in a bento type container on the top tube - also tidy (that being said I actually have the spare biddon on the down tube as I worry about fumbling behind the seat & have my spare tubby, CO2 canister and pit stop tucked under the Sitero - quite an aero simple frack up free set up IMO.

 

Here endith the lesson!

 

Now go and do some actual training!

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Genuine question though Andrew,

 

It is always a concern of mine that my long rides remain as continuous as possible. Therefore, bulk bidons are required. So when I train* I have spots for 4 bidons. Maybe this is why Cranky needs all the cages etc? Your logic in a race is valid. I am going to put it in my play book. Thanks.

 

But, Qld + Long sessions = lots of stopping OR lots of bidons.

I don't know

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Genuine question though Andrew,

It is always a concern of mine that my long rides remain as continuous as possible. Therefore, bulk bidons are required. So when I train* I have spots for 4 bidons. Maybe this is why Cranky needs all the cages etc? Your logic in a race is valid. I am going to put it in my play book. Thanks.

But, Qld + Long sessions = lots of stopping OR lots of bidons.

I don't know

Yeah, minimal water stops around here , so sometimes im training with 4 bidons.

 

Come race day though its one with conc nutrition on the downtube (my bike doesnt have a seat tube), 1 BTA with water , and a spare 1/2 bottle of water in case i drop it, or am slower than id hope (behind the seat). Litle container with spares behind the seat, as its all out of the wind

 

(Im a bit anal about having backups).

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But, Qld + Long sessions = lots of stopping OR lots of bidons.

I don't know

I only ever rode with 2 x bidons. 180km would see a couple of stops, but if you know your course, and where to get water, that's only a minute stopped.

 

You could always make it real race simulation, stop for 5 minutes, and pretend it's the penalty box. :)

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Genuine question though Andrew,

It is always a concern of mine that my long rides remain as continuous as possible. Therefore, bulk bidons are required. So when I train* I have spots for 4 bidons. Maybe this is why Cranky needs all the cages etc? Your logic in a race is valid. I am going to put it in my play book. Thanks.

But, Qld + Long sessions = lots of stopping OR lots of bidons.

I don't know

Yep - I have four biddon cages on my 'training TT bike' (a converted Trek Madone road bike) for that reason. One between the aero bars - two on the frame and one behind the seat (although that is usually for spares - it can be used for another bottle, but usually I can refill every two hours on a training ride so even then having more than two biddons is a little excessive)

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It seems like ages since I've disagreed with Andrew, that's doing my head in too.

 

I've done my last four long course races including IMWA with just a single bidon between the arms. No problem. For training there are multiple options to add bottles and aero is not a factor.

 

There's over thinking and then there's Cranky. I can see a great deal of training being spoiled on race day because of it. I hope I'm wrong.

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No it's just mixed thicker than normal.

And then chase it down with a bit more water?

I recently gave up perpetuem as I seem to struggle to finish my bottles these days,after using it for 3 years. It tastes like bland porridge. I've just received some high5 energy source stuff in grapefruit, and it tastes very clean. Yet to try it out on the bike though.

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I understand that aero and setup are important, but, it's not long till race day and Cranky should have been training on the final set up for a month or so by now. I like the thread but I am concerned about the fact Cranky's head is still busy sorting out this stuff.

 

Cage between the bars

Cage on the frame or seat tube

 

Someone please help her put a cage behind the seat.....

 

So the poor girl can get on with the important thing, Training on the bike as it will be for race day.

 

Best of luck Cranky. I wish I was in Qld to help with the cage behind the seat mounting. [emoji106]

 

Been following this thread for a while now .... and this is a case - I think - of over-thinking a relatively straight-forward issue.

 

There are aid stations every 10kms (or so). As long as you carry at least one bidon full at all times, rotating 2 bidons should be enough to get you through the entire ride. Anything more is just carrying additional weight that you don't need to.

 

So, here's my 2p: -

 

1. Relax - you're always going to get some nutrition down. Carry enough of your "own" solution to get through the first 20 - 30kms, then settle into the rhythm of collecting nutrition at aid stations;

2. Don't worry about aero. Even at your most aero, 80% of the wind resistance is caused by the squishy human sitting on the bike. It's marginal gains on marginal gains and is undone when you, say, get out of the saddle for climbing;

3. Do worry about comfort - make sure your position is comfortable for 180kms and getting you in good enough shape to run a marathon. The position might be the most optimal aero position ever invested, but matters nothing if you can't hold it. Stretch as often as you can;

4. Mechanicals - make sure your bike is safe and not going to break down. Clean it. New chain and cassette, new tyres and tubes / tubs, new pads and cables. New tape just to make you feel a bit special. Make sure everything works as it should and that you're happy with it. No squeaks or rattles. Don't over-inflate your tyres the day before and lube the bike on race morning;

5. Relax - you know your nutrition strategy so stick to it, or vary it as needs be;

6. Sleep - Get plenty and know you've put the effort in. Feet up and don't do too much in the days leading up to race day;

7. Race - don't forget to do this. For all of the HR measures, power outputs, miles done, miles to go, it is still about putting one foot in front of another, quickly.

8. Enjoy - Race hard and fair, but above all, have fun. This is something you do when you're NOT working, but you're treating like work.

 

Good luck out there.

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