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14 hours ago, roxii said:

The more I learn about the US political system the less I like it. 
A system where it is not compulsory to vote then actively tries to discourage or exclude voters casting votes, then tries to disallow votes legitimately lodged, or trying to bar votes where people have been unable to lodge votes in time due to the inadequacy of the polling places, then casts doubt on its own electoral system.

Im not saying all these occurred this time or it is all Tump but holy crap surely democracy should be about giving everyone the chance to vote. 

 

1 hour ago, roxii said:

Ill just take this moment to reflect and say:

I love Australia

I love Medicare

I love our gun laws

I love our voting system

and today I hate our politicians just a little less. 

Happy to live in this socialist nanny state :lol:

2 hours ago, Peter said:

Prediction 

the minute trump walks out of the White House he will be charged on tax fraud and other things and he knows it. 
hence why he will fight so hard to drag it out. 

Indeed the knives are sharpening!

14 hours ago, roxii said:

The more I learn about the US political system the less I like it. 
A system where it is not compulsory to vote then actively tries to discourage or exclude voters casting votes, then tries to disallow votes legitimately lodged, or trying to bar votes where people have been unable to lodge votes in time due to the inadequacy of the polling places, then casts doubt on its own electoral system.

Im not saying all these occurred this time or it is all Tump but holy crap surely democracy should be about giving everyone the chance to vote. 

Apparently Donald isn't too happy with it either - I'm sure he'd like to make it so difficult and bureaucratic that is would require a team of lawyers to register, with his sign off after receiving an appropriate donation.

 

He hasn't actually started legal proceedings in the US Supreme Court yet but he has certainly threatened it as I predicted he would. The problem being you can't begin to dispute the returns until all the votes are counted, as I understand their system. Expect more toys to get thrown out of the cot, like his son's claim that ballots had been jettisoned - all of which will evaporate within any courtroom for lack of any evidence I'm sure.I do wonder what purpose these publicised claims serve, perhaps dogwhistling a call to arms of his militant support groups.

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If the last few months have taught me anything it’s that when you peel back the thin veneer the US is a mighty screwed up place on oh so many fronts.   

The sandbox is for non Tri related topics.  It’s not a place for people to carry on like idiots. 

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16 minutes ago, Slowman said:

...He hasn't actually started legal proceedings in the US Supreme Court yet but he has certainly threatened it as I predicted he would. The problem being you can't begin to dispute the returns until all the votes are counted, as I understand their system. Expect more toys to get thrown out of the cot, like his son's claim that ballots had been jettisoned - all of which will evaporate within any courtroom for lack of any evidence I'm sure.I do wonder what purpose these publicised claims serve, perhaps dogwhistling a call to arms of his militant support groups.

And that is also why compulsory voting is more democratic - it ensures proper, free and fair access for all voters to registration and polling booths.

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16 minutes ago, more said:

I don't understand the point you are making?

I do but he's wrong.  Its not because Trump has lost the election because its not declared yet and while more improbable things have happened than Trump winning his current position, he'd need a Lazarus type miracle to make it from here. 

I figure the past tense reference is because Trumps legacy will always be tainted due to his lack of filter.  His antics in the past 24 hours havn't done anything to improve that perception.   

Unfortunately, there are too many people speaking lots of words but in reality saying very little of consequence.. Trump is only one of them.

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7 minutes ago, roxii said:

On an unrelated note, why are states situated in the North/ Noreast of the US called Midwest??

 

Historical reference from when "the Wild West" was in the middle of the country?

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10 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Four states are still to be called, so take a cold shower and get back to me 😉

I called

Busso being cancelled

Trump getting booted out the white house 

The Tour Down Under not happening. 

 

I should have placed a multi leg on with sportsbet 

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When the dust does eventually settle, the governors of the other 49 states need to get themselves down to Florida and learn a thing or two about how to run an election.  Third most populous state in the union, and they had results done and dusted by about 9:30

From the chaos in 2000 it looks like they're now the gold standard 

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17 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

When the dust does eventually settle, the governors of the other 49 states need to get themselves down to Florida and learn a thing or two about how to run an election.  Third most populous state in the union, and they had results done and dusted by about 9:30

From the chaos in 2000 it looks like they're now the gold standard 

But that would spoil all the "fun"

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1 hour ago, -- AJ -- said:

Historical reference from when "the Wild West" was in the middle of the country?

Yeah, of course the West would be in the middle :huh:

Seems like elections aren't the only thing they have trouble with! 

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6 minutes ago, roxii said:

Yeah, of course the West would be in the middle

Probably was (relatively speaking) till the Californian gold rush.

Just like "out west" for Sydneysiders was Parramatta till the range was crossed 

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3 hours ago, -H- said:

Of those four, only one is in Biden's favour (by less than 8000 votes) - so still very close 

They are mainly down to counting postal votes in all those states and Biden is picking up about 75% of them in some areas.

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38 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

For those curious as to why the Trump campaign is litigating for proper access to view vote counting as mandated by law:

 

 

I used to vote count and its not unusual to firstly seperate the ballots into say labor and liberal and then count all the liberals first and count then report them and then do the labor ones. 
 

and given over 70% was for Biden in postals,this is what’s most likely happened. 
 

 

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9 minutes ago, Peter said:

I used to vote count and its not unusual to firstly seperate the ballots into say labor and liberal and then count all the liberals first and count then report them and then do the labor ones. 
 

and given over 70% was for Biden in postals,this is what’s most likely happened. 
 

 

I train the workers who count the votes and that’s exactly how it’s done Peter

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4 hours ago, more said:

Sportsbet has paid out on Biden

Do you know if it’s a reduced dividend to cash out now or are are the paying the full bet?

If Biden wins the bookies will make a motza. Most said 80% of the bets they were holding were placed on Trump

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29 minutes ago, Peter said:

I used to vote count and its not unusual to firstly seperate the ballots into say labor and liberal and then count all the liberals first and count then report them and then do the labor ones. 
 

and given over 70% was for Biden in postals,this is what’s most likely happened. 
 

 

I wonder when they're planning to report the Trump pile...

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6 minutes ago, Dave T said:

There isn't one. :P

 

( said with a sense of humour .:thumbup: )

Apparently Tump won 95% of the trailer park vote right across the US. There should be an inquiry, this sounds like fraud. 😜

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12 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

Apparently Tump won 95% of the trailer park vote right across the US. There should be an inquiry, this sounds like fraud. 😜

Apparently he also had the highest overall vote....EVA

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42 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

Apparently Tump won 95% of the trailer park vote right across the US. There should be an inquiry, this sounds like fraud. 😜

And it smug, condescending insults like this that drove people to vote for Trump...basket of deplorables worked great for Hillary..

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9 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

Again....Leave me out of your trolling please

And here I was thinking you degenerating republican voters as all being low socio economic people living in a trailer or mobile home was a troll...

 

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Isn't it peculiar how the same people who like to project about being advocates for the poor and disadvantaged (left wing) are also the same ones who are so quick to mock the poor and disadvantaged....

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Quite disturbing scenes happening now outside some of the vote counting offices. I’m glad we never see anything like this in Aus. We’re truly the lucky country in so many ways 🇦🇺 

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21 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

Quite disturbing scenes happening now outside some of the vote counting offices. I’m glad we never see anything like this in Aus. We’re truly the lucky country in so many ways 🇦🇺 

Rioting?  Looting?  Arson?  People getting cracked over the head with baseball bats?

What level of 'disturbing' are we talking here?

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6 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Rioting?  Looting?  Arson?  People getting cracked over the head with baseball bats?

What level of 'disturbing' are we talking here?

I watched a clip with a crowd of ppl yelling “stop the count” 

if I was inside doing my job “counting votes” I would fine it very disturbing & I wouldn’t be looking forward to walk to the car 

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6 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

I watched a clip with a crowd of ppl yelling “stop the count” 

if I was inside doing my job “counting votes” I would fine it very disturbing & I wouldn’t be looking forward to walk to the car 

The police were holding them back from entering the counting rooms in the vid I saw. Trump should really be asking for calm and to let democracy take its course, then let his legal actions run their course.

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I wrote this on Tri UK and got some good answers. Throwing over the fence here.

 

I stay out of the politics threads for obvious reasons (mostly apathy and political saturation at work) but a couple of questions and observations.

If there is a legal challenge, what did/does it matter if postal votes were counted last or piled up in a corner until later to be counted? As long as they were counted, right? It’s not like it could influence anything at that point.

I don’t like Trump, I don’t like his MAGA rabid crowd but I don’t hate Reps. I have equal disdain for the hard Left (which Biden isn’t in UK/Euro terms but is in Disneyland) and their inability to accept a result, re the riots in 2016 .

I don’t like the Proud Boys concept and I don’t like the burning and looting of public property and private business under the BLM/Antifa banner either.

I’m not sure which will be worse. A president that deliberately lies or a president that has dementia and will most likely be either dead or so frail by 2024 that this whole circus will start again.

I hate the tribalism that politics has become ( here/US/Aus). but compared to the US,  Aus and UK are paragons of transparency and fair play and those that continually feel compelled to moan about the UK, should reflect on that. You could have have it a shed load worse!

I don’t have a right or left leaning, maybe a bit right of the centre line but I always, without fail, look at the issue being discussed and there are great points made by the left and right if you can remove your tribal hat.

America could be great again but neither of these presidents will be the vehicle that gets them there. Neither tribe of their of their supporters are capable of accepting a result.

I find the concept of the ‘tolerant left’ an absolute hypocritical virtue signalling joke, which is incapable of an open conversation.

I find the concept of the ‘hard right’ equally abhorrent and their first action is to pull on some virtual jack boots and intimidate the fcuk out out of anyone that thinks otherwise.

The only way for America to be great again, is for the middle to be respected, find a voice and shut down the noise from both extremes. I think that will take decades now, not a couple of terms.

 

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6 hours ago, FatPom said:

I wrote this on Tri UK and got some good answers. Throwing over the fence here.

 

I stay out of the politics threads for obvious reasons (mostly apathy and political saturation at work) but a couple of questions and observations.

If there is a legal challenge, what did/does it matter if postal votes were counted last or piled up in a corner until later to be counted? As long as they were counted, right? It’s not like it could influence anything at that point.

I don’t like Trump, I don’t like his MAGA rabid crowd but I don’t hate Reps. I have equal disdain for the hard Left (which Biden isn’t in UK/Euro terms but is in Disneyland) and their inability to accept a result, re the riots in 2016 .

I don’t like the Proud Boys concept and I don’t like the burning and looting of public property and private business under the BLM/Antifa banner either.

I’m not sure which will be worse. A president that deliberately lies or a president that has dementia and will most likely be either dead or so frail by 2024 that this whole circus will start again.

I hate the tribalism that politics has become ( here/US/Aus). but compared to the US,  Aus and UK are paragons of transparency and fair play and those that continually feel compelled to moan about the UK, should reflect on that. You could have have it a shed load worse!

I don’t have a right or left leaning, maybe a bit right of the centre line but I always, without fail, look at the issue being discussed and there are great points made by the left and right if you can remove your tribal hat.

America could be great again but neither of these presidents will be the vehicle that gets them there. Neither tribe of their of their supporters are capable of accepting a result.

I find the concept of the ‘tolerant left’ an absolute hypocritical virtue signalling joke, which is incapable of an open conversation.

I find the concept of the ‘hard right’ equally abhorrent and their first action is to pull on some virtual jack boots and intimidate the fcuk out out of anyone that thinks otherwise.

The only way for America to be great again, is for the middle to be respected, find a voice and shut down the noise from both extremes. I think that will take decades now, not a couple of terms.

 

Good post FP. Well said 

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7 hours ago, FatPom said:

I wrote this on Tri UK and got some good answers. Throwing over the fence here.

 

I stay out of the politics threads for obvious reasons (mostly apathy and political saturation at work) but a couple of questions and observations.

If there is a legal challenge, what did/does it matter if postal votes were counted last or piled up in a corner until later to be counted? As long as they were counted, right? It’s not like it could influence anything at that point.

I don’t like Trump, I don’t like his MAGA rabid crowd but I don’t hate Reps. I have equal disdain for the hard Left (which Biden isn’t in UK/Euro terms but is in Disneyland) and their inability to accept a result, re the riots in 2016 .

I don’t like the Proud Boys concept and I don’t like the burning and looting of public property and private business under the BLM/Antifa banner either.

I’m not sure which will be worse. A president that deliberately lies or a president that has dementia and will most likely be either dead or so frail by 2024 that this whole circus will start again.

I hate the tribalism that politics has become ( here/US/Aus). but compared to the US,  Aus and UK are paragons of transparency and fair play and those that continually feel compelled to moan about the UK, should reflect on that. You could have have it a shed load worse!

I don’t have a right or left leaning, maybe a bit right of the centre line but I always, without fail, look at the issue being discussed and there are great points made by the left and right if you can remove your tribal hat.

America could be great again but neither of these presidents will be the vehicle that gets them there. Neither tribe of their of their supporters are capable of accepting a result.

I find the concept of the ‘tolerant left’ an absolute hypocritical virtue signalling joke, which is incapable of an open conversation.

I find the concept of the ‘hard right’ equally abhorrent and their first action is to pull on some virtual jack boots and intimidate the fcuk out out of anyone that thinks otherwise.

The only way for America to be great again, is for the middle to be respected, find a voice and shut down the noise from both extremes. I think that will take decades now, not a couple of terms.

 

Pretty much identical to my political thinking Ian.

One positive out of the US debacle is I now understand how their system  works (at least the presidential voting & electoral college thing).  I guess the lower & upper house system is similar to ours?

Both this and the Covid situation in Oz strengthen my view that State Governments are a big problem.  Apparently in some US states (Pennsylvania?) you can vote for up to 5 days after other states have finished voting!  Ridiculous.  And we've seen how Oz premiers use state borders to shore up their positions.  

But if you think State Govts in Oz are bad, try working with Local Govt.  I work with a dozen and would say only 1 of them is anywhere near  competent.  One GM said he's turned his council around.  I'm thinking "shit, it must have been seriously bad before".  Our local council spent hundreds of thousands in court in a spat between councilors and the (now resigned) GM, yet they say they can't find $3,000 to re-open a road damaged by recent rain which has left numerous farmers with no access to cattle markets or shops 🤦‍♂️

Still, I reckon if Biden gets in, there will be a collective huge sigh of relief from most world leaders thinking 'we'll take senile over batshit crazy narcissist  any day - senile we can work with, it's far more benign'.

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8 hours ago, FatPom said:

 

The only way for America to be great again, is for the middle to be respected, find a voice and shut down the noise from both extremes. I think that will take decades now, not a couple of terms.

 

I heard someone on the radio the other day saying its becoming less likely for the "middle" to succeed through the primaries or whatever they are called as they get out flanked by their far right or left counterparts who tend to whip up the frenzied support. 

If that's the case it cant end well. 

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Biden is currently 12000 behind in Georgia with ~47000 votes left to count. Chatham county( the city of Savannah), which is predominantly urban with a higher % of democrats has ~17000. So Biden is still in with a big chance there, and if he wins Georgia, then it's game over for Trump.

Pennsylvania has said they should be able to finish counting "today"(???).

Nevada seems to be being counted by 3 work experience kids because they won't be providing another update till 4am tomorrow our time.

Trump needs win all 4 States, [ Pennsylvania, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina] ( Alaska is a given,despite not having finished counting either).

Biden only needs to win one, but there's no 100% guarantee he will.

Gonna be another long day.

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