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15 minutes ago, flathead said:

Okay, homework done....

I just talked to a work colleague about a family member:

    10-Sep: tested positive

    16-Sep: breathing difficulties, taken to hospital, on low oxygen

    26-Sep: on high oxygen

    03-Oct: ICU, on ventilator

    08-Oct: Still on ventilator

One London hospital has reported that 75% of their surviving Covid patients who required oxygen were still receiving some form of medical treatment 2 months after contracting the virus.

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If the last few months have taught me anything it’s that when you peel back the thin veneer the US is a mighty screwed up place on oh so many fronts.   

The sandbox is for non Tri related topics.  It’s not a place for people to carry on like idiots. 

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24 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Today's moderator seems to be doing a better job, although the debaters are a bit more civil 

Pence is pushing those boundaries and keeping on speaking when the moderator tries to get him to end. 

Mute buttons I reckon - get cut off at the 2 min mark. 

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2 minutes ago, Turts said:

Pence is pushing those boundaries and keeping on speaking when the moderator tries to get him to end. 

Mute buttons I reckon - get cut off at the 2 min mark. 

Yeah, 2 min doesn't seem like a lot of time but Pence is waffling

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1 hour ago, flathead said:

Okay, homework done....

I just talked to a work colleague about a family member:

    10-Sep: tested positive

    16-Sep: breathing difficulties, taken to hospital, on low oxygen

    26-Sep: on high oxygen

    03-Oct: ICU, on ventilator

    08-Oct: Still on ventilator

 

1 hour ago, IronmanFoz said:

Thats a full month.... Sounds like an anomaly to me. Certainly doesn't fit the 7-10 days scenario. 

Facts reveal the Truth

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26 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Yeah, 2 min doesn't seem like a lot of time but Pence is waffling

I cant even watch it, listening to Harris is only slightly behind catching the bubonic plague but slightly ahead of listening to AOC

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4 minutes ago, more said:

I cant even watch it, listening to Harris is only slightly behind catching the bubonic plague but slightly ahead of listening to AOC

Pence has been waffling for an hour and a half

Harris has been lying for an hour and a half

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10 minutes ago, BogFrog said:

No need for the link - the anecdotal evidence was directly in the post that I had quoted...

Just thought you might have had something current. So much conflicting info out there, for example in Vic basically every one that has died and had Covid but didn't have a clear cause of death has had their death listed as being due to Covid. And now we are finding more and more cases of people who were reported as having been killed by Covid (younger people) actually had pretty serious pre existing conditions.

With so much sensationalism in the media, and Government spin it is increasingly hard to get a feel for the real story.

Having trump recover so quickly doesn't do much to sell the fear factor of this thing being so deadly.

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I reckon the blowfly that spent 5 minutes on Pence's head smelled something a bit "fishy" with some of his "non-answers":lol:

Should be responsible for a 1000 new memes.

In seriousness, having never seen either of them perform before....at least this week was more respectful.

I thought Pence's response to the question posed by the kid at the end about the two sides continually fighting was handled very well. His high point of the debate. Harris couldn't beat it, and sounded a bit trite continuing to tow the party line.

In contrast, however, Harris drew blood on Trump's handling of Covid, the divisive nature of the Trump administration's handling of racial issues and the Supreme Court having Roe v Wade in it's sights.

The fact that Pence continued well past his 2 minutes for most questions, despite faint attempts by the moderator to shut him down, when he wasn't really saying anything "critical" didn't go well after Trump's circus last week. ( and it sure looked like the mod was being much more lenient with Pence than Harris. I'm sure she'll be called out for gender bias)

A win for Harris, but more a TKO than a 10-count.

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4 hours ago, Turts said:

I think what I've read from experts (Norman Swan etc)

I have to say that every time I have listened to Dr Norman Swan I find that he has not been the expert that others say he is. I prefer to listen to the likes of Professor Brendan Murphy, Dr Nick Coatsworth, Dr Kerry Chant and others. That is the weird thing with so our medical experts, you can get wildly different views on the science. Especially from Queensland 'experts'.

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2 minutes ago, Merv said:

Could the whole Trump illness be staged ?

When I was in high school, one of my surfing classmates had a week off school. When he came back the teacher said, "Jimmy, you've got a pretty good tan." Jimmy replied, " Yeah, I was in bed the whole time, but my bed is next the the window and we don't have curtains."

Noticed in his "Getting Covid was a 'Blessing from God' video that he has certainly got his tan back.:lol:  Just sayin'

 

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1 minute ago, Merv said:

Could the whole Trump illness be staged ?

I think that if he does have it and the response up till now has been stage managed for political advantage, it  could backfire spectacularly if things go horribly pear shaped.

One should remember that Boris Johnson went to hospital 10 days afters his positive covid result.  With Trump its still less than a week.

Alternatively, if he doesn't have it, then this is all an election ploy which is both cheap, low and indefensible..

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2 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Pence has been waffling for an hour and a half

Harris has been lying for an hour and a half

Why do you say Harris was lying?  (note, I didn't watch it as I had to work...)

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Should we be surprised the MSM has totally ignore this absolutely mind blowing revelation?

Obama admin briefed on claims Hillary Clinton drummed up Russia controversy to vilify Trump, distract from emails

"The Director of National Intelligence (DNI) declassified information indicating that former President Obama's administration knew of allegations that former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton was attempting to tie Trump to Russia and distract from her email scandal before the 2016 presidential election."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-briefed-clinton-russia-vilify-trump-distract

 

 

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24 minutes ago, BogFrog said:

Why do you say Harris was lying?  (note, I didn't watch it as I had to work...)

She continued to push the Charlottesville and 'suckers and losers' narratives, for starters.  Why wouldn't she though, since the media are also more than happy to push them

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On 07/10/2020 at 3:34 PM, IronJimbo said:

The VP debate tomorrow will be a much better indicator of the differences in policy and ideology between the two parties

Which is why I'm predicting that Pence will utterly destroy Harris 

Reckon you did your dough on that one. 

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31 minutes ago, Peter said:

Pence came across really well.  To be honest, its the First time I’ve really heard him talk in 4 years. 

He missed a few opportunities through uis waffling though

He should have skewered Harris on law and order by asking her why she supported funds bailing out antifa members

He nailed her refusal to answer the question about stacking the supreme court very well though - her non-answer was just the answer he was looking for

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20 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

He missed a few opportunities through uis waffling though

He should have skewered Harris on law and order by asking her why she supported funds bailing out antifa members

He nailed her refusal to answer the question about stacking the supreme court very well though - her non-answer was just the answer he was looking for

Is there another VP debate

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35 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

He missed a few opportunities through uis waffling though

He should have skewered Harris on law and order by asking her why she supported funds bailing out antifa members

He nailed her refusal to answer the question about stacking the supreme court very well though - her non-answer was just the answer he was looking for

I’ve only seen highlights on twitter. 
 

she was okay still. But he was impressive. Father figure comments. 

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6 minutes ago, Peter said:

I’ve only seen highlights on twitter. 
 

she was okay still. But he was impressive. Father figure comments. 

His hat will be in the ring in 2024, so today would have been pretty important for that as well

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25 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

His hat will be in the ring in 2024, so today would have been pretty important for that as well

Agreed.

His performance today was as much about his own future as it was about being Trump's " soldier ". 

He showed support, but didn't mention Trump's name anywhere near as many times as Harris said " Joe Biden ".

The fact that the next President to be inducted will be the oldest ever, regardless who wins, may be more important in the near future.

Pity the DNC selected JB, I think their real future is with Harris.

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18 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Pity the DNC selected JB, I think their real future is with Harris.

If that were the case, Harris would have done better in the primaries 

Instead she barely managed a couple of % of the vote 

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6 hours ago, Merv said:

Could the whole Trump illness be staged ?

I don't know why everyone assumes that Trump would be in great trouble from covid. 

Most people don't end up on hospital, the fatality rate is 3%, for the 60-69 age bracket the rate is 2-3.5% depending on the country and 4-8% (exc Italy) fit 70-80 year olds. Obviously other complications are a big factor.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

The hospitalisation rate used in Australia's modelling is 5.4%

80% of cases need no special treatment at all.

So, in all probability, Trump was going to be fine.

My family in the USA got it, half their family, including one with an underlying heart condition, all asymptomatic. It's a lottery, it really is.

That doesn't mean covid isn't a big deal, but it's no death sentence. So I don't know why people expected the man to drop dead or be on a ventilator.

But 3% is not a small number when millions are catching it.

 

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2 minutes ago, dazaau said:

I don't know why everyone assumes that Trump would be in great trouble from covid. 

Because people don't understand the difference between probability and likelihood 

The media's wishful thinking probably didn't help either 

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2 minutes ago, IronmanFoz said:

So...will Trump win. Reports today say he will lose in a landslide. Peter has money on this!

I have money on it also...looks like its a loss....BUT my glimmer of hope is the Dem voters will be a little over confident with the landslide and not bother voting...

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11 minutes ago, more said:

I have money on it also...looks like its a loss....BUT my glimmer of hope is the Dem voters will be a little over confident with the landslide and not bother voting...

We just need the Russians to get involved and throw some votes Donalds way.

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What is the point of this?

 

"During her weekly press conference on Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters to come back tomorrow for an announcement about the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, which allows for the President to be removed from office if he is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office”.

“Tomorrow, by the way, tomorrow, come here tomorrow,” Ms Pelosi said. “We’re going to be talking about the 25th Amendment.”

The 25th Amendment has been raised repeatedly by his opponents throughout the Republican’s presidency.

Mr Trump’s physical and mental health have returned to the forefront of Democrat attacks in the wake of his COVID-19 diagnosis."

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58 minutes ago, more said:

What is the point of this?

"During her weekly press conference on Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters to come back tomorrow for an announcement about the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, which allows for the President to be removed from office if he is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office”.

“Tomorrow, by the way, tomorrow, come here tomorrow,” Ms Pelosi said. “We’re going to be talking about the 25th Amendment.”

The 25th Amendment has been raised repeatedly by his opponents throughout the Republican’s presidency.

Mr Trump’s physical and mental health have returned to the forefront of Democrat attacks in the wake of his COVID-19 diagnosis."

What value does Pelosi provide in the Senate and how did she even get a job. She constantly acts like a person who has a major vendetta against another. This all just keeps playing into Trumps hand. I mean why bring it up with what.........less than a month to go!

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8 minutes ago, IronmanFoz said:

What value does Pelosi provide in the Senate and how did she even get a job. She constantly acts like a person who has a major vendetta against another. This all just keeps playing into Trumps hand. I mean why bring it up with what.........less than a month to go!

She provides no value to the Senate - she's the speaker of the house 

Then again, she adds very little to the house either 

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9 minutes ago, IronmanFoz said:

What value does Pelosi provide in the Senate and how did she even get a job. She constantly acts like a person who has a major vendetta against another. This all just keeps playing into Trumps hand. I mean why bring it up with what.........less than a month to go!

Exactly what I was thinking, they are reminding people this isnt about what's best for the country, it's a school yard stoush... 

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2 minutes ago, more said:

Exactly what I was thinking, they are reminding people this isnt about what's best for the country, it's a school yard stoush... 

Her playbook is easier to figure out than the plot of a Tom Cruise movie

1. Obstruct relief and stimulus legislation passed by senate Republicans 

2. Tie relief and stimulus legislation to trillions in additional spending on socialist bullshit, and send it back to the senate where she knows it will be rejected

3. Blame Republicans for blocking relief and stimulus legislation

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1 hour ago, IronmanFoz said:

What value does Pelosi provide in the Senate and how did she even get a job. She constantly acts like a person who has a major vendetta against another. This all just keeps playing into Trumps hand. I mean why bring it up with what.........less than a month to go!

I thought she’s 3rd in line to be president if something happens to trump and the the VP

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1 minute ago, -- AJ -- said:

I notice that overnight His Lardness of Orange missed out on the Nobel Peace prize ... again.

 

Just one of 318 nominees.

"And some people say" he's done more for Peace than anybody in the history of the world. I don't know if it's true. But some people are saying it.:lol:

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As always Joe raises some very valid points..

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/what-donald-trump-and-joe-bidens-debate-moment-finally-proved/news-story/309c60348986b25ad89c33eb234748b5

"Black Lives Matter? They sure do. But the President doesn’t control local police forces. Coronavirus deaths? Astronomical at more than 200,000. But, as in Australia, it is state governors who carry the overwhelming responsibility for public health protection measures."

"It also explains why attacks on Biden’s mental capacity have hardly hurt his standing, despite several genuinely concerning brain fades. He is way ahead of where the more lucid but unlikeable Hillary was four years ago and even more so after his mumbly debate performance. It simply doesn’t matter. Anti-Trumpists would vote for a can of Spam if they thought it had a chance of beating him."

 

 

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4 hours ago, -- AJ -- said:

I notice that overnight His Lardness of Orange missed out on the Nobel Peace prize ... again.

 

That’s because it was nothing but a total stunt. I doubt anyone other than Trump himself and his fanboys thought it was real.

To be eligible nominees are supposed to be kept secret. The first thing the politician did after he fired off his Trump nomination was to call a press conference to announce it to the world.... the same as the last time he nominated Trump 😂

Probably hoping for another invitation to the Whitehouse. 
Im actually quite surprised Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts didn’t beat him to it and nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. As sitting politicians they qualify to nominate people and the were pretty keen to suck up Trump’s backside 4 years ago. 

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