MackaEvo2 109 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Is there any product that your surprised still hasn't been done yet? For me i'm surprised that Shimano hasn't come out with a power meter yet and also surprised there crankset doesn't come standard with the ability to tell you your cadence. I'm surprised that bike companies still have cables exposed I'm surprised bike companies are still using aero brakes with 3 feet of cable hanging out in the wind... why do they think using a cheaper brake with less stopping power is a good idea... can they not come up with anything better Link to post Share on other sites
Roman 99 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 small incremental updates spread over time mean that they can continue to sell us 'new and improved' gear for a longer period. Plenty of this stuff is doable Link to post Share on other sites
AVAGO 352 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 But when I see components such as front or rear lights and video camera being combined in the same unit, I'm pleasantly surprised. The use of hidden brakes, such as under the crank is beyond me... minimal improvement in aero with reduction in function and serviceability. Link to post Share on other sites
Rocket Salad 1,163 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm surprised Zipp haven't remade a tri spoke. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Prince 890 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) i am still waiting for flying cars...but for triathlon, i am pretty happy with the watch technology of the 910;s etc. the only thing the 910 doesnt do is blow me. Edited October 29, 2014 by Prince Link to post Share on other sites
thecouch 13 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 im waiting for a bike that reads power and cadence and changes gears for you . so just pedal away and the bike works out what gear you need Link to post Share on other sites
Roman 99 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 im waiting for a bike that reads power and cadence and changes gears for you . so just pedal away and the bike works out what gear you need They have these.. Link to post Share on other sites
trifun 446 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Seen the new elctronic Deore MTB stuff with a single paddle shifter and user programable maps for up to 33 speeds ? Link to post Share on other sites
spudmonkey32 23 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Single brake lever which takes care of the front and back simultaneously Link to post Share on other sites
trifun 446 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 we run something like that on our HPV's (recumbent tricycles) for the school kids - some cable (mine are hydrualic) so all wheels on the same axel line are braked by the same lever (not that I personally agree with this rule - but I know why they nade it) Link to post Share on other sites
MackaEvo2 109 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 For me I think the 920 just added things that didn't need to be added I would like to see a 910 update where its a full multi sport watch with great display but not so chunky and heavy The whole disk break, aero break, rim break thing has stopped me from buying anything, new bike, new wheels Tri bikes I doubt will ever go to disk breaks... they have gone more done the line of aero breaks which means less breaking power there appears to be a potential for disk breaks to be going on road bikes however this will mean more wheels... for me I can't see it being worth however will rim breaks be history or will they still control the market in 20 years from now? Link to post Share on other sites
trinube 1,777 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I hate the thought of it but I think some form of automatic gear shifting will come - based on power, cadence etc and switched electronically. Link to post Share on other sites
MackaEvo2 109 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I hate the thought of it but I think some form of automatic gear shifting will come - based on power, cadence etc and switched electronically. There would have to be an over ride function Some like to grind while others like to spin 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-Hasbeen 8,122 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Automated drafting alarms that go off when you are sitting too close for too long. Adjustable to suit the race rules. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
trinube 1,777 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 There would have to be an over ride function Some like to grind while others like to spin I suspect it would be programmable - adjust it with a smart phone to suit your style or workout. The technology would already exist to do all of it I reckon. It would just need someone to tie it altogether. The cynic in me suspects that despite this it would be years before we saw it. They need to make squillions on Di2 first and then another killing going 'auto Di5". Link to post Share on other sites
Quack 210 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 USB integrated into bike frames So all the shifters, derailers, lights, PMs etc just plug in to a port and they get power and comms that way. No wires. Link to post Share on other sites
roxii 7,203 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Trinube see post no.7 above it's already here albeit pre-production. Link to post Share on other sites
samedw 40 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Visor on aero lid with heads up type of info. All wirelessly transmitted to inside of visor. Speed, power etc. from third party devices. No looking at the stem. Link to post Share on other sites
Parkside 1,203 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) There are skin sensors available with ANT capacity to measure blood glucose lactase and transmit results wirelessly. Stick on patch with Small fine wire which penetrates skin. Within a decade our Garmin will have skin temp, lactate, blood glycose, temp all displaying in real time Edited October 29, 2014 by Parkside Link to post Share on other sites
Mjainoz 1,039 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Good read all of these. Totally agree re Shimano and Power. And with Shimano (pro) now making a tri spoke for a Sky it will be very interesting how zipp play this out. Back to the future? I wonder if Garmin will survive 10 years. If Apple or Google turn their view that way seriously it could be game over. What if my head unit was a phone. I get home and pick up a bigger unit that is then my phone. Multiple units using same sim card type identity (no physical SIM card) sharing same data plan. Watch, bike head unit, gps in car, iPad. Small phone for pocket or large one. All integrated updated. Edited October 29, 2014 by Mjainoz Link to post Share on other sites
Go Easy 1,711 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 One day I'm going to get serious about this sport and get me one of them fandangled gizmos that attaches to your handlebars and tells you how fast you are going... . Maybe then I'll be a real triathlete . Link to post Share on other sites
trinube 1,777 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Trinube see post no.7 above it's already here albeit pre-production. So you're saying I'm right then Link to post Share on other sites
alexholbrook 156 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Good read all of these. I wonder if Garmin will survive 10 years. If Apple or Google turn their view that way seriously it could be game over. What if my head unit was a phone. I get home and pick up a bigger unit that is then my phone. Multiple units using same sim card type identity (no physical SIM card) sharing same data plan. Watch, bike head unit, gps in car, iPad. Small phone for pocket or large one. All integrated updated. I highly doubt that Garmin will get taken over in the running/multisport/bike device caterogory by apple. They produce by far some of the best GPS devices and Timex hasn't even managed to match them. Yes they produced a new device before the new garmin came out but I can't see that coming close at all to Garmin in terms of overall sales and quality of product. Garmin has liiterally nailed it on the head. Link to post Share on other sites
samedw 40 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 One day I'm going to get serious about this sport and get me one of them fandangled gizmos that attaches to your handlebars and tells you how fast you are going... . Maybe then I'll be a real triathlete . Really? No speedo? That's cool, I'd love to go sans tech. Can't let go of it though. How do you measure your training? Time? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
trinube 1,777 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Garmin has liiterally nailed it on the head. I reckon Nokia thought that about phones. Not saying it will happen, but things can change rapidly. Link to post Share on other sites
MackaEvo2 109 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I reckon Nokia thought that about phones. Not saying it will happen, but things can change rapidly. I think the difference though might be the markets The phone market is massive... I can't imagine the ratio of mobile phones to such gadgets that we might think apple or google might bring The triathlon market is tiny in comparison. which means little profit. I think they could do very well producing such products however don't think its worth their time and money Link to post Share on other sites
roxii 7,203 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Ten years ago we were all probably saying that Polar had the industry wrapped up for a long time to come. I suppose the thing we don't really know is what technology will be able to achieve next. The "problem" with GPS is it is "free" and noone is making any money on the delivery of it, so I think there will be an attempt to get us off GPS and onto using towers and therefore data to keep the phone companies happy. May mean they subsidise the device cost in order to get you in the loop. If 20 years ago someone told you all the features of a 920 and said it will be the size of a watch and ONLY cost $500 bucks you would have said they were crazy. Link to post Share on other sites
trinube 1,777 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I think the difference though might be the markets The phone market is massive... I can't imagine the ratio of mobile phones to such gadgets that we might think apple or google might bring The triathlon market is tiny in comparison. which means little profit. I think they could do very well producing such products however don't think its worth their time and money This assumes a market of triathletes. Most people don't realise they 'need' something until someone provides it. As Steve Jobs said about the invention of cars - "If you asked people what they wanted they would have said a faster horse". It's only a matter of time before it becomes commonplace to check the number of steps you took a day, stairs you climbed, weight, calories, blood pressure, blood sugar, pulse - oops, you can do all that now... The big techs companies have found a way to penetrate technology into everyday life - Apple already has a number of patents relating to things like Parky mentioned, blood sugar etc. It will all come and if Garmin 'only' do GPS they will be left behind in a very niche market. I'm sure they already know that and would be burning the midnight oil coming up with an expanded vision that isn't just GPS tracking. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
roxii 7,203 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 This assumes a market of triathletes. Most people don't realise they 'need' something until someone provides it. As Steve Jobs said about the invention of cars - "If you asked people what they wanted they would have said a faster horse". It's only a matter of time before it becomes commonplace to check the number of steps you took a day, stairs you climbed, weight, calories, blood pressure, blood sugar, pulse - oops, you can do all that now... The big techs companies have found a way to penetrate technology into everyday life - Apple already has a number of patents relating to things like Parky mentioned, blood sugar etc. It will all come and if Garmin 'only' do GPS they will be left behind in a very niche market. I'm sure they already know that and would be burning the midnight oil coming up with an expanded vision that isn't just GPS tracking. Exactly they are morphing into a one all encompassing unit. There may be the case where each unit carries the capacity to do everything, but they may switch on or off certain features to sell different priced devices to different markets, then have a bells and whistles premium device that has everything enabled to sell to people with too much money who need the latest gadget (otherwise known as triathletes) Link to post Share on other sites
kal 16 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 For some trivia on how far things have come from the early days have a read, apparently someone's frozen nuts inspired the quick release wheels we know and love today : http://www.theracingbicycle.com/index.html Link to post Share on other sites
ozzybuds 220 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 A photochromic sports version of google glass with GPS & ANT+. Link to post Share on other sites
Nath. 405 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Tyres made out of some type if compound so that they are solid and don't need air, therefore you never get flats. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
roxii 7,203 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Tyres made out of some type if compound so that they are solid and don't need air, therefore you never get flats. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk http://www.tannus.com.au/products/musai/ Link to post Share on other sites
MountainMan 894 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 A photochromic sports version of google glass with GPS & ANT+. A battery that can power google glass beyond 45 minutes... Link to post Share on other sites
roxii 7,203 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 A battery that can power google glass beyond 45 minutes... A flexible solar panel for helmets that can power google glass!! Link to post Share on other sites
MountainMan 894 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 A singularity battery that uses two micro black holes in quantum super position to pull current from dark matter to provide infinite power and is as big as a grain of rice.* *Patent pending Link to post Share on other sites
louey 67 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 timing chips that do it all - ie; current pace/speed, GPS location, stroke cadence, pedal cadence, run cadence, air temp, position in field, distance to competitor in front and behind, altitude... continuously uploaded, so race directors/officials/coaches/family & friends can see real time at ALL times what is going on. Officials can issue draft penalties via "scoreboards" setup at intervals along the course removing TO's from the bike course - and can monitor pentalties served. the chip could also have a "panic button" in case of emergency. Link to post Share on other sites
Cottoneyes 1,418 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Tyres made out of some type if compound so that they are solid and don't need air, therefore you never get flats. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Solids are so last century, look into some of the spring and wave type tyres already being tested, will severely reduce energy requirements. Haven't seen any plans for cycling, but no doubt that will come in time Link to post Share on other sites
Stikman 1,796 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 There are skin sensors available with ANT capacity to measure blood glucose lactase and transmit results wirelessly. Stick on patch with Small fine wire which penetrates skin. Within a decade our Garmin will have skin temp, lactate, blood glycose, temp all displaying in real time And take away all the fun of the rectal thermometer I currently use? No way, I'm staying old school. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Pete 456 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Why can't they make a milk bottle that tells you when the milk is/is going bad or not safe to drink? Link to post Share on other sites
louey 67 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Why can't they make a milk bottle that tells you when the milk is/is going bad or not safe to drink? thats called a nose pete Link to post Share on other sites
Pete 456 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 thats called a nose pete Ah yes, but as I discovered this morning, there are some things the nose was just NOT meant to smell !!! Call me crazy but I am gonna make* one of these, mark my words with my new invention, The milk "use-by" date just got it's own "use-by" date!" PS - If anyone in the transitions community would like to invest a couple of hundred thousand dollars in this venture please PM me for bank transfer details.. Link to post Share on other sites
ironpo 3,021 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 How do you measure your training? Time? Cheers GE just countsHe's that good!!! Cheers Ivp Link to post Share on other sites
Mjainoz 1,039 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I highly doubt that Garmin will get taken over in the running/multisport/bike device caterogory by apple. They produce by far some of the best GPS devices and Timex hasn't even managed to match them. Yes they produced a new device before the new garmin came out but I can't see that coming close at all to Garmin in terms of overall sales and quality of product. Garmin has liiterally nailed it on the head.I swore by Polar Nokia TDK Cassettes, Aluminium bikes, leather toe straps etc etc. These were all the best by a long way at some stage. Time moves on. Polaroid were once values as the biggest company in the world. Apple will face some serious challenges in the future. Those old enough to remember ... Apple almost went bankrupt in late 90's. Bill Gates n Microsoft bought into Apple 15pct I think to keep them afloat and so they had a competitor and were not seen as a monopoly. Bitten by the dog they fed. Time stands still for no company. CEOs n boards make mistakes. Other companies some up with better ideas. Garmin product line is too narrow for them to be around in 20 years or even 10 years time. Unless they are smart. I still remember the first time a guy suggest I try Google Search instead of the then incumbent Alta Vista. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Easy 1,711 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Really? No speedo? Nope. Had one on my first bike when I bought it (20 years ago) but found that it didn't make me go any faster so I didn't worry about replacing it. How do you measure your training? Time? I don't train to a set program anyway so it doesn't make any difference. I train when I feel like it, and have the time! When I've had enough I stop. Lately, I just haven't felt like it . I log all my training K's, so I assume that I'm doing approx 40km/hr when I'm fit and training solid, and approx 30km/hr when unfit... near enough. GE just counts He's that good!!! Yeah, I put a chalk mark on my tire and count the revolutions. Then I times the number of revolutions by the approximate circumference of the wheel then calculate... Nah, I'm usually just too busy smelling the roses and taking in the scenery . 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mjainoz 1,039 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Yeah, I put a chalk mark on my tire and count the revolutions. Then I times the number of revolutions by the approximate circumference of the wheel then calculate... . The old 2 Pi r. Who said you'd never use it post school. ! Edited October 30, 2014 by Mjainoz 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Cottoneyes 1,418 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Nope. Had one on my first bike when I bought it (20 years ago) I'm the opposite, got my first speedo for Christmas to go on my bmx 32 years ago this December (it was an old analogue style with the needle that went around, fed off of a crank that got turned by the front wheel spokes), that bmx lasted through to uni and think the first bike post uni didn't have one, but have had one every bike since (which coincided with taking up this sport). Anyone had a speedo on their bikes for longer? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Pete 456 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I swore by Polar Nokia TDK Cassettes, Aluminium bikes, leather toe straps etc etc. These were all the best by a long way at some stage. Time moves on. Polaroid were once values as the biggest company in the world. Apple will face some serious challenges in the future. Those old enough to remember ... Apple almost went bankrupt in late 90's. Bill Gates n Microsoft bought into Apple 15pct I think to keep them afloat and so they had a competitor and were not seen as a monopoly. Bitten by the dog they fed. Time stands still for no company. CEOs n boards make mistakes. Other companies some up with better ideas. Garmin product line is too narrow for them to be around in 20 years or even 10 years time. Unless they are smart. I still remember the first time a guy suggest I try Google Search instead of the then incumbent Alta Vista. interesting analogy between apple (closed IOS) and HTC/Samsung (open Android) and Polar (closed WIND comms) and Garmin (open ANT+ comms). Probably works for Apple, but I think it was doom for Polar. Link to post Share on other sites
Prince 890 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) ..and i thought Peter Foster was in Jail? SCAM. Send me $5 and i will send you a clothes peg. http://www.rhinomed.com.au/products/turbine.html Edited October 31, 2014 by Prince Link to post Share on other sites
Mjainoz 1,039 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I'm the opposite, got my first speedo for Christmas to go on my bmx 32 years ago this December (it was an old analogue style with the needle that went around, fed off of a crank that got turned by the front wheel spokes), that bmx lasted through to uni and think the first bike post uni didn't have one, but have had one every bike since (which coincided with taking up this sport). Anyone had a speedo on their bikes for longer? I bought a speedo for my Malvern Star Bragster. Circa 1970-73 ish. Same Cable run off front wheel. Big as a coffee mug Link to post Share on other sites
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