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Hey Girls, Us blokes have been looking for that Malaysian Airliner for the past week and can't find a thing. When you get a chance, can you please have a 'girls' look! Many Thanks!

if you zoom in I am pretty sure that is Tony Bullimore waving !!   will he ever learn...

Apologies for the necro-post but this just made me laugh.     http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mh370-search-suffers-setback-after-after-authorities-lose-towfish-20160125-gmdbkz

Sir Angus just put everyone straight at a PC.

 

The Ocean Shield has recorded two separate sounds on the same frequencies that the "Black Boxes" send, indicating that it is likely form the FDR and CDR of the missing Jet. Still no wreckage or confirmation, just the best lead yet. It is 4.5kms deep, which is the limit of the remote control thingy they have on-board(bummer). Photos or some other "proof" will probably be a couple of days away yet. Probably months before they recover anything.

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Probably deserves it's own thread, but WTF are they doing in Ukraine?

 

295 dead in an airline shot down over Ukraine. And it's Malaysian Airlines again This is going to have serious repurcussions.

 

I was speaking to the wife this morning and we were wondering if Malaysian Airlines will survive. No idea if they are Government owned but it would be hard to see people flocking to book. Of course both incidents were outside their control, but I can still see people avoiding them regardless.

 

Terrible, terrible situation - just mindless killing.

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I was speaking to the wife this morning and we were wondering if Malaysian Airlines will survive. No idea if they are Government owned but it would be hard to see people flocking to book. Of course both incidents were outside their control, but I can still see people avoiding them regardless.

 

Terrible, terrible situation - just mindless killing.

Exactly the same conversation happened here too. On both topics. This will have major repercussions.
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Share market will be interesting thismorning. The US & Russia appear to be eyeing off over this. It's hard to understand what goes through some-one's mind before they fire a missile at a civilian airliner. Was it a planned initiative, or is there some hot-headed separatist in severe hot water with his superiors over it.

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Share market will be interesting thismorning. The US & Russia appear to be eyeing off over this. It's hard to understand what goes through some-one's mind before they fire a missile at a civilian airliner. Was it a planned initiative, or is there some hot-headed separatist in severe hot water with his superiors over it.

 

Sounds like mistaken identity - they thought it was either military or transport. Doesn't exactly instil confidence flying around the region.

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It was flying high, and in a major commercial flight corridor.

 

Putin has reportedly said the blame lies squarely in the hands of the country the jet crashed in. Separatist rebels shot it down, and first thoughts were that Russia would either stop backing them, or would go even harder. This makes it sound like they are willing to go even harder.

 

Will the commercial corridor now close with this?

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Most airlines were already avoiding this disputed airspace to a large degree anyway.

 

Extremely unlucky, but a massive radar and heat signature dallying along at 35,000 feet is like shooting fish in a barrell. The lesson here is, never leave the work experience russian-backed seperatist rebel in charge of the SAM launcher.

 

Putin gives the standard night club response, externalising the blame onto the ukrainians, but everyone knows this is russian backed 'rebel' action. Shit could get real between USA & Russia again!

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Typically you would clear a flight level above a conflict, if it was a heavy air corridor (in this instance).

The majority of military air activity is relatively low level in this conflict. There is little to no use of stand-off weapons.

They obviously thought this was a transport plane trying to hide in plain site during the day at a very juicy altitude for the weapons platform that appears to have been used.

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If this is an accurate flight path, WTF were they thinking! It is extraordinary that any airline would fly directly over a conflict where military aircraft have been shot down in recent months.

 

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only just last week they shot down a ukranian plane in same fashion.

 

although its outside Malaysian Airlines control what happens ie- a SAM fired at them; their flight path is in control - which many other airlines have been avoiding for months now.

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Am I missing something? It seems like there was a joke there and I'm not getting it.

 

 

Edit: Googled flying high, some old movie. So I'm guessing the joke went straight over my head.

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Also known as 'Airplane' in the US. I guess first of the spoof type movies, prior to naked gun etc. Certainly the best. Nothing to do with this awful situation other than some comments referring to gags that appear in it.

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Also known as 'Airplane' in the US. I guess first of the spoof type movies, prior to naked gun etc. Certainly the best. Nothing to do with this awful situation other than some comments referring to gags that appear in it.

 

Known as Airplane in the rest of the world I think.

 

What a week to give up glue sniffing'

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Here is a screen shot of public flight data at the time of the strike. It looks like there are(or at least were) more than a few airlines willing to fly over a war zone where anti-aircraft missiles are in regular use. I am genuinely surprised by this considering how safety concious the Airline industry appears to be.

 

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Ah shit. I knew the guy from Toowoomba who died with his wife in the flight. Hasn't seen him for a while, but he was like the president, or up there, of the Toowoomba road runners. I hadn't been able to run with them for a while, but with my mate now over seas was about to join them again for a while. Was a bloody lovely guy, incredibly welcoming and accommodating, and never forgot my name from the first second I ran with them. Shit.

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Ah shit. I knew the guy from Toowoomba who died with his wife in the flight. Hasn't seen him for a while, but he was like the president, or up there, of the Toowoomba road runners. I hadn't been able to run with them for a while, but with my mate now over seas was about to join them again for a while. Was a bloody lovely guy, incredibly welcoming and accommodating, and never forgot my name from the first second I ran with them. Shit.

While I know everyone on the flight would have family and friends, that just makes it feel a little more real. Sorry to hear goughy.

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You would be surprised how easy it can be. Sure it becomes complex when you are looking at deploying multiple mobile missile batteries, which would then require the co-ordination of a command vehicle and/or remote oversee by a command centre.

 

However, if you run with the story (and photos) of pro-Russian rebels having captured a Buk TELAR (transporter erector launcher and radar), then you could operate this as a simple stand alone unit. You would be compromising the effectiveness of the weapon system, yes, without the use of a separate Target acquisition radar vehicle - but again this is more so important when utilising multiple batteries.

 

These guys aren't farmers that picked up some guns, they are Russian back military professionals. There are Kossacks well integrated into these fighting units. And this is all on the assumption it's a launcher they 'found', which is a cute thought in itself - the greater likelihood is that Russia has trucked numerous launchers like the one used yesterday across the border (along with the personnel to operate them).

Even in the hands of someone that trained how to use it on an Xbox, the chances of this weapon system missing a 777 at 35,000 feet with a functioning radar, I would put at less than 1%.

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You would be surprised how easy it can be. Sure it becomes complex when you are looking at deploying multiple mobile missile batteries, which would then require the co-ordination of a command vehicle and/or remote oversee by a command centre.

 

However, if you run with the story (and photos) of pro-Russian rebels having captured a Buk TELAR (transporter erector launcher and radar), then you could operate this as a simple stand alone unit. You would be compromising the effectiveness of the weapon system, yes, without the use of a separate Target acquisition radar vehicle - but again this is more so important when utilising multiple batteries.

 

These guys aren't farmers that picked up some guns, they are Russian back military professionals. There are Kossacks well integrated into these fighting units. And this is all on the assumption it's a launcher they 'found', which is a cute thought in itself - the greater likelihood is that Russia has trucked numerous launchers like the one used yesterday across the border (along with the personnel to operate them).

Even in the hands of someone that trained how to use it on an Xbox, the chances of this weapon system missing a 777 at 35,000 feet with a functioning radar, I would put at less than 1%.

Did you serve or spend time in Defence Industry

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It is interesting to watch global leaders and the international community react to this. The condemnation of the attack and the sympathy for the victims and their families I echo and support.

 

This is not the first time this has happened, absolutely tragic, and should not be tolerated. Tragically this has happened before with one of the worst incidents being in 1988.

 

July 3, 1988: US warship Vincennes shot down an Iranian passenger plane over the Persian Gulf, mistaking it for a threatening warplane. All 290 people aboard are killed.

 

There is a stark contrast with 1988 when a US warship did exactly the same thing:

 

The airliner was transmitting the correct transponder "squawk" code typical of a civilian aircraft and maintained English-speaking radio contact with appropriate air traffic control facilities.

 

Contrary to the accounts of various USS Vincennes crewmembers, the Iranian airliner was climbing at the time and its radio transmitter was "squawking" on the Mode III civilian code only rather than on military Mode II

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It is interesting to watch global leaders and the international community react to this. The condemnation of the attack and the sympathy for the victims and their families I echo and support.

 

This is not the first time this has happened, absolutely tragic, and should not be tolerated. Tragically this has happened before with one of the worst incidents being in 1988.

 

July 3, 1988: US warship Vincennes shot down an Iranian passenger plane over the Persian Gulf, mistaking it for a threatening warplane. All 290 people aboard are killed.

 

There is a stark contrast with 1988 when a US warship did exactly the same thing:

 

The airliner was transmitting the correct transponder "squawk" code typical of a civilian aircraft and maintained English-speaking radio contact with appropriate air traffic control facilities.

 

Contrary to the accounts of various USS Vincennes crewmembers, the Iranian airliner was climbing at the time and its radio transmitter was "squawking" on the Mode III civilian code only rather than on military Mode II

 

Perhaps the captain of the Vincennes was thinking of what happened to the USS Stark less than a year before.

 

"She was sailing off the Saudi Arabian coast near the Iran–Iraq War exclusion boundary, the area of sea off Iran and Iraq. The Iraqi pilot attacked with a Dassault Mirage F1[1] armed with 1,500 pound Exocet missiles. "

 

37 sailors died and the captain was Court-martialed for not defending his ship.

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Perhaps the captain of the Vincennes was thinking of what happened to the USS Stark less than a year before.

 

"She was sailing off the Saudi Arabian coast near the Iran–Iraq War exclusion boundary, the area of sea off Iran and Iraq. The Iraqi pilot attacked with a Dassault Mirage F1[1] armed with 1,500 pound Exocet missiles. "

 

37 sailors died and the captain was Court-martialed for not defending his ship.

It's horrendous that these events occur. Innocent civilians in obviously non combatant aircraft being murdered, at least this time it is being universally condemned as it should. I hope this time we find and prosecute those responsible.

 

The Stark was a little different as there was no case of mistaken identity

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The Stark was a little different as there was no case of mistaken identity

 

Reading a bit more on that incident just now and... yeah, it appears the captain of the Vincennes may have had some "issues".

 

I don't think it has been verified yet if the MH17 was an accident/mistaken identity or an intentional attack on a civilian target. Either way I agree, it is a dreadful incident that needs to be thoroughly investigated and those responsible brought to justice.

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Those actually responsible are probably already dead.

Kind of what I was thinking. Be interesting to see the results of the black box analysis from the Russians. Cannot see Australia refusing to let Putin in for the G20 unless he cooperates with the investigation as per the current proposals from QLD and the ALP.

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If the timeframe you're talking about is during the war, then the tech hasn't changed a whole heap. There have been some upgrades to the missiles themselves, in terms of internal guidance system and tail array. The ground based radars use the same tactical radars as the late model MiG fighter planes.

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Western Media Deception, New Information and Questions About Malaysian Flight MH 17

 

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Only yesterday, I wrote an article entitled “6 Reasons To Question The Official Story Of The Malaysian Flight Over Ukraine” where, as the title suggests, I briefly discussed a number of reasons the story presented by Western media outlets blaming Ukrainian separatists and even the Russian government for shooting down the plane were both contradictory and dubious.

 

Now, on the day after the crash of the flight, more information has emerged regarding the details surrounding what actually brought the flight down. Yet, as is typical in international incidents, the Western press reports simply add more questions to the pile.

 

First, it is important to point out the deceptive nature of many of the Western reports so it can be demonstrated that the credibility of all future reports should be viewed as highly questionable.

 

For instance, in the late hours of the evening, a volley of reports emerged suggesting that a Ukrainian separatist leader had Tweeted a statement gloating over shooting down the Malaysian flight before subsequently deleting the Tweet. In reality, the Twitter statement suggested that the separatists had downed an AN-26, a much smaller cargo transport plane, not the Malaysian flight. If those controlling the Twitter account had fired upon the plane, it seems unlikely that they would have confused the aircraft since there is such a difference in their size.

 

It was subsequently revealed that the Twitter account being reported upon was not actually run by the commander but that it was a “fan page.” The latter has been curiously left out of later reports.

 

Even if the Tweet had been from the separatist leader, however, it would only prove that the separatists had made a tragic mistake. Any pilot or aviation authority flying over this area of Ukraine would indeed have to be acting in a provocative manner, terribly lost, or clinically insane.

 

It is also important to point out that the entire discussion surrounding the type of missile that brought the plane down has been entirely controlled from the beginning. Initially, suggestions were that the plane was brought down by separatists using shoulder-fired missiles. However, it was soon revealed that shoulder-fired missiles could not have reached a plane flying at those altitudes.

 

Next, the idea came that the separatists or the Russians used BUK medium-range missiles to bring down the plane. Of course, the Russians do possess BUK missiles. Western media then seized upon a single report in the Russian press, an institution that is repeatedly denigrated when it contradicts the NATO party line but cited as fact when it corroborates it, which suggests that the rebels had seized a base in late June and now had BUK missiles in their possession.

 

Conveniently, there is no mention of the ITAR-TASS report that the Ukrainian military had moved its BUK missile system into Donetsk the day before the plane was brought down.

 

Very few mainstream outlets, however, are even considering the possibility that it was the Ukrainian military that shot down the Malaysian plane. This is simply because the goal of this whole ordeal, in addition to overshadowing the genocide taking place in Gaza, is to drum up international hostility toward Russia and the separatists that it supports.

 

It is also important to point out that nowhere in the mainstream press are there any suggestions of the possibility that it was not a missile that brought down the plane. That is, there is no suggestion of this possibility unless it can be blamed on Russia.

 

What is notable is the fact that there are emerging reports that the Malaysian flight was actually being escorted by Ukrainian military jets only 3 minutes before it crashed.

 

This report, released by E Turbo News, a global travel news agency, suggested that, not only was the plane being escorted by Ukrainian military jets but that air traffic records were immediately confiscated after the plane went down. The report suggests that internal communication acknowledged that the Ukrainian military was involved but shed no light on where the shootdown orders came from. Speculation ranging from a simple and tragic accident to an attempted coup by Timoshenko forces against the Presidency of Poroshenko have since arisen.

 

As E Turbo News reports,

 

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

 

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

 

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

 

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

 

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

 

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

 

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

 

Perhaps the most important question to ask in regards to the Malaysian flight situation, however, isCui Bono? Who Benefits?

 

Tony Cartalucci asks this question and provides some answers in his own article “Kiev Losing, Sanctions Flopped, Airliner Down, War Back on?” where he writes,

 

The remote possibility that separatists obtained a sophisticated Buk anti-air missile system, was able to maintain and operate it, failed to identify the Malaysian 777, and exercised the poor judgment to fire on it – would make the tragedy a catastrophic case of mistaken identity – for the separatists have no conceivable reason to fire on a Malaysian passenger liner – and absolutely nothing to gain by doing so.

 

However, for the regime in Kiev facing decimated and unraveling military forces in the east, growing dissent in the west, and Western sponsors who are unable to materialize any form of meaningful aid militarily, economically, or politically – shooting down a civilian airliner and blaming it on the separatists could unite public opinion and the leadership of European nations behind NATO and the US for a more direct intervention on behalf of Kiev and change the tide of what is now a battle they will otherwise inevitably lose.

 

The West is already working hard to set the stage for such a scenario. The BBC in an article titled, “Malaysia airliner crashes in east Ukraine conflict zone,” stated that:

 

Sir Tony Brenton, a former UK ambassador to Russia, told BBC News it would not be a huge surprise if suspicion initially fell on the rebels.

 

“That would be very damaging both for them and for their Russian supporters,” he said.

 

“The Russians have undoubtedly been supplying them with weapons, almost certainly with anti-aircraft weapons, so Russia would very likely be implicated and that would raise the volume of international criticism of Russia.”

 

Only the West and their proxies in Kiev would stand to benefit from this – and commentators like Tony Brenton and the BBC intentionally prey on the ignorance of their audience in hopes that they don’t know the difference between the Igla systems separatists most likely have, and the Buk system they most likely don’t have or are unable to operate.

 

This is the second Malaysian 777 to be lost under extraordinary circumstances this year. Malaysian flight MH370 disappeared in March, 2014, and has yet to be found despite unprecedented international search efforts.

 

Regardless of the true causes of the crash of Malaysian flight 777, it is clear that the world oligarchy is, at the very least, not letting a good crisis go to waste. The ability to distract from Western-backed genocides occurring simultaneously across the world as well as domestic issues and the world economic depression has been conveniently provided by the Malaysian flight shootdown.

 

Recently from Brandon Turbeville:

 

6 Reasons To Question the Official Story of the Malaysian Flight Over Ukraine

Israel Launches Ground Offensive In Gaza

Malaysian Flight Shot Down Over Ukraine – Kiev Gov’t Implicated

Brandon Turbeville is an author out of Florence, South Carolina. He has a Bachelor’s Degree from Francis Marion University and is the author of six books, Codex Alimentarius — The End of Health Freedom, 7 Real Conspiracies, Five Sense Solutions and Dispatches From a Dissident, volume 1and volume 2, and The Road to Damascus: The Anglo-American Assault on Syria. Turbeville has published over 300 articles dealing on a wide variety of subjects including health, economics, government corruption, and civil liberties. Brandon Turbeville’s podcast Truth on The Tracks can be found every Monday night 9 pm EST at UCYTV. He is available for radio and TV interviews. Please contact activistpost (at) gmail.com.

 

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