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No, just rambling nonsense.   I don't think anyone has claimed that O'Grady or Zabel aren't 'hard men', or that there aren't cheats in other sports and other professions.   The only reason Stuey,

You know, its interesting, I see similarities in the professional peloton to the organisation I joined in the mid 80s.   As history has shown the organisation was entrenched with corruption at every

we all have choices trek. of course he had a choice. just like the bloke who chooses to walk out on his family because he's bored, or it gets a bit hard - granted some choices are very difficult but t

Wiow you blokes love to comment on shit you know nothing about, how many of you have ridden a bike race let alone as a pro ? So you put years into something and finally get paid for it, you then have to get with the program or you lose that ride, you dont want to do it but there is really no choice.

 

To the knob that suggested he should have trained more, seriously spend a week with these guys.

 

It is also a common misconception that sprinters cant climb, sure none of them are front groupers but they dont climb cause they dont want to or need to. losing 30 seconds or losing 30min is the same to them. I am a sprinter and finished 2nd in the Kom in Grafton to Inverall one year and trust me blokes that are even pure sprinters can out climb anyone on this forum.

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So picture this, you are a young doctor about to take your final exam to be a surgeon. Only you are struggling to get all the study done your falling behind. The pressure is overwhelming. You have a mountain of debt and you will lose thr job you have and the one you have lined up if you fail. So the opportunity presents itself and you cheat to pass the exam. Thats ok others are cheating its no big deal.

 

Cheating is cheating. I don't understand why people say its ok to cheat. I don't understand why if the pro peleton are as clean as they say they are why they don't come out snd say "this is shit. These guys cheated. We don't want them in our sport" but they don't. They make excuses for them they offer support, they continue to employ them. Why?

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So picture this, you are a young doctor about to take your final exam to be a surgeon. Only you are struggling to get all the study done your falling behind. The pressure is overwhelming. You have a mountain of debt and you will lose thr job you have and the one you have lined up if you fail. So the opportunity presents itself and you cheat to pass the exam. Thats ok others are cheating its no big deal.

 

Cheating is cheating. I don't understand why people say its ok to cheat. I don't understand why if the pro peleton are as clean as they say they are why they don't come out snd say "this is shit. These guys cheated. We don't want them in our sport" but they don't. They make excuses for them they offer support, they continue to employ them. Why?

Because they did / do it too.

 

Or Omerta.

 

Or a combination of both.

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Wiow you blokes love to comment on shit you know nothing about, how many of you have ridden a bike race let alone as a pro ? So you put years into something and finally get paid for it, you then have to get with the program or you lose that ride, you dont want to do it but there is really no choice.

 

To the knob that suggested he should have trained more, seriously spend a week with these guys.

 

It is also a common misconception that sprinters cant climb, sure none of them are front groupers but they dont climb cause they dont want to or need to. losing 30 seconds or losing 30min is the same to them. I am a sprinter and finished 2nd in the Kom in Grafton to Inverall one year and trust me blokes that are even pure sprinters can out climb anyone on this forum.

From the SRM files from the Giro last year, on most mountain stages, the grupetto rode at around 5w/kg.

 

Still very fast.

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Wiow you blokes love to comment on shit you know nothing about, how many of you have ridden a bike race let alone as a pro ? So you put years into something and finally get paid for it, you then have to get with the program or you lose that ride, you dont want to do it but there is really no choice.

Bollocks you don't have a choice. You do. Walking away is a choice. You may not like that choice, but it IS a choice. Fark, he didn't even have to walk away. He just had to accept that he would be pack fodder instead of up front. Could have been a domestique instead of vying for the green jersey.

 

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I agree, he has been lying this whole time, why is he now suddenly telling the truth? As a respected "patron" of the peloton and having ridden for Gan, Cofidis, and CSC amongst others, Stuey would know all the peloton's dirty little secrets. Here is an opportunity for him to tell all, assist ASADA/WADA and help make cycling better - I doubt that opportunity will be taken. The omerta is strong.

That's the key point. If Stuey was genuinely contrite for having erred in his ways, he could have come forward at any stage in the last year or more when investigation after investigation was taking place, and used his position in the peloton to say "OK, this is how it happened. Almost all of us were involved. This far and no more etc. etc." Instead he's done his best to uphold the status quo, where everyone stays quiet and doesn't cooperate.

 

So why should we cut him some slack?

 

And for the record, no, I have never taken performance enhancing drugs, nor have I ever deliberately cheated in my professional life.

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Wiow you blokes love to comment on shit you know nothing about, how many of you have ridden a bike race let alone as a pro ? So you put years into something and finally get paid for it, you then have to get with the program or you lose that ride, you dont want to do it but there is really no choice.

 

To the knob that suggested he should have trained more, seriously spend a week with these guys.

 

It is also a common misconception that sprinters cant climb, sure none of them are front groupers but they dont climb cause they dont want to or need to. losing 30 seconds or losing 30min is the same to them. I am a sprinter and finished 2nd in the Kom in Grafton to Inverall one year and trust me blokes that are even pure sprinters can out climb anyone on this forum.

wtf are you getting at???!!! its ok the dope if you need to hang on up climbs! that is a shit comment!

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Wiow you blokes love to comment on shit you know nothing about, how many of you have ridden a bike race let alone as a pro ? So you put years into something and finally get paid for it, you then have to get with the program or you lose that ride, you dont want to do it but there is really no choice.

 

To the knob that suggested he should have trained more, seriously spend a week with these guys.

 

It is also a common misconception that sprinters cant climb, sure none of them are front groupers but they dont climb cause they dont want to or need to. losing 30 seconds or losing 30min is the same to them. I am a sprinter and finished 2nd in the Kom in Grafton to Inverall one year and trust me blokes that are even pure sprinters can out climb anyone on this forum.

 

we all have choices trek. of course he had a choice. just like the bloke who chooses to walk out on his family because he's bored, or it gets a bit hard - granted some choices are very difficult but there are plenty of guys from around here who made european protour teams and flew back home within 3 months once they were asked to get on the gear. stories abound.

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there are plenty of guys from around here who made european protour teams and flew back home within 3 months once they were asked to get on the gear. stories abound.

 

I spoke to one back in the late 90's. He won some stages of the old Commonwealth Classic, went to Europe, wouldn't take anything, was frozen out & back home within 6 months.

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the top of corporate life, political life, public service life, clergy,non profits are littered with people who cheat their way past others so they can reap the rewards. Its becoming more and more prevalent. People bleat about more rules, more regulation, more checking and double checking to "eliminate" it but its a reflection of society itself

 

Its always been two different things-public perception of character and then the true one underneath

 

All you really need to worry about is your own conscience and your own character- can you live with yourself when you look in the mirror? You might not end up "winning" or making money, you might loose friend over it but you have to be at peace with your own choices

 

Its not really any of our business what choices pro cyclists make nor are judgments about their character. We can only assume SOG is happy with his "character" and how the public perceives that is really a secondary consideration. We have no idea of the context in which he made his choices

 

Focusing on other peoples choices is a complete waste of time- just like being a parent- better to lead by example than judge

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Cheating is cheating. I don't understand why people say its ok to cheat. I don't understand why if the pro peleton are as clean as they say they are why they don't come out snd say "this is shit. These guys cheated. We don't want them in our sport" but they don't. They make excuses for them they offer support, they continue to employ them. Why?

Was notable at the time of the Lance/Oprah thing certain riders being outspoken against the drug taking situation (Gerrans, Cam Meyer, Taylor Phinney, Marcel Kittel among others) and others remaining silent (O'Grady notably so, for a so called head-of-state of the peloton).

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It's hard to have sympathy for him when he claims he was good enough without drugs fro 19 years and 50 weeks of his career. But used EPO for 2 weeks so he could keep up. Very hard to believe.

He has been silent on Twitter since the announcement. It would be great to see him come through with a full admission. But can't see it happening

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Was notable at the time of the Lance/Oprah thing certain riders being outspoken against the drug taking situation (Gerrans, Cam Meyer, Taylor Phinney, Marcel Kittel among others) and others remaining silent (O'Grady notably so, for a so called head-of-state of the peloton).

NO.. Ogrady made a public comment on TV saying he didnt like it. I cannot remember the wording he used, but now he looks like a douche for saying that!

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Wiow you blokes love to comment on shit you know nothing about, how many of you have ridden a bike race let alone as a pro ?

 

OK, so if you haven't sat in parliament, you have no right to comment on politicians or their behaviour. Similarly, if you are not a judge, you have no right to an opinion on sentencing and community standards, etc.

Will make for a dull but tidy forum.

 

Edit to add: and of course if you haven't fled a war zone with your family (or had to leave them behind) you have no right to an opinion on asylum seekers!!

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How can kevin and tony comment on boat people when theyve never been a boat person?

How can you comment on Tony & Kevin when you've never been a politician???

 

How can I comment on you when I've never been a yoyo?

 

Fark, where will it end? :lol:

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Wiow you blokes love to comment on shit you know nothing about, how many of you have ridden a bike race let alone as a pro ? So you put years into something and finally get paid for it, you then have to get with the program or you lose that ride, you dont want to do it but there is really no choice.

 

To the knob that suggested he should have trained more, seriously spend a week with these guys.

 

It is also a common misconception that sprinters cant climb, sure none of them are front groupers but they dont climb cause they dont want to or need to. losing 30 seconds or losing 30min is the same to them. I am a sprinter and finished 2nd in the Kom in Grafton to Inverall one year and trust me blokes that are even pure sprinters can out climb anyone on this forum.

So Trek do u believe O'Grady when he said he only doped once? If not when do u think he started & stopped?

 

You say O'Grady "had no choice" (good luck prosecuting that argument with anti-doping body or court of law) but then you also state.."you either get with the program or lose the ride". That statement implies a choice.

 

According to O'Grady there was no "program" to get with. According to O'Grady his team didn't pressure him, he sought out the EPO off his own back without team knowledge.

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OK, so if you haven't sat in parliament, you have no right to comment on politicians or their behaviour. Similarly, if you are not a judge, you have no right to an opinion on sentencing and community standards, etc.

Will make for a dull but tidy forum.

 

Edit to add: and of course if you haven't fled a war zone with your family you have no right to an opinion on asylum seekers!!

 

A lot of people in the "public eye" love the money and fame that comes from it until it bites them and it all gets too hard and they start to roll out this type of stuff

 

you put yourself out there and people comment on how good you are, you get picked up by a good team and paid well, you get comments on how good that is, you tell the world you did drugs and people WILL and CAN comment

 

Lets get everyone on drugs - might be others just as good or better than he was - who will know - he has created that doubt all by himself

 

He only came clean because of reports coming out - he milked as much money and personal gain as he could

 

He needed to get his ego in check along with the rest of them - he thought he needed drugs as he could not keep up - regardless of who was using drugs - did they all think this - that is just stupidity - they likely all did drugs to be the best and fastest for their own personal gain and self ego - nothing to do with pressure from fans and sponsors....

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How can kevin and tony comment on boat people when theyve never been a boat person?

Actually, Tony has: he was born in London, and came to Australia on a boat in 1961 under the assisted migration scheme. Economic refugee!

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Actually, Tony has: he was born in London, and came to Australia on a boat in 1961 under the assisted migration scheme. Economic refugee!

If only we had a turn back the boats policy back then.
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The I only did it once is not easy to take as authentic as he has already covered up his previous bad act. In addition there is his pure as the driven snow routine prior to this.

 

O'Grady's entire career has question marks as do the associated honours and medals

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Sure he had a choice to come home but really that is not a choice I would have taken. No I dont believe he only did it for 2 weeks, he prob did it for 10 years.

 

Tear me down on this but I went there and tried, I put my life on hold for it and it was my life. I spent all my money, didnt have an early 20s like most blokes etc etc. I didnt make it cause I wasnt good enough, no excuses there. However if I got the chance that I thought I would get and I was asked to get on the program I would have said yes. It is that simple, sure knowing what I now know at 37 and where I am in life there is no way the answer would be the same today but back then in that environment I would have said yes no question.

 

Maybe it makes me a cheat or a bad person but it was just accepted back then, it is what you did. Unless you were there it is hard to understand.

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Sure he had a choice to come home but really that is not a choice I would have taken. No I dont believe he only did it for 2 weeks, he prob did it for 10 years.

 

Tear me down on this but I went there and tried, I put my life on hold for it and it was my life. I spent all my money, didnt have an early 20s like most blokes etc etc. I didnt make it cause I wasnt good enough, no excuses there. However if I got the chance that I thought I would get and I was asked to get on the program I would have said yes. It is that simple, sure knowing what I now know at 37 and where I am in life there is no way the answer would be the same today but back then in that environment I would have said yes no question.

 

Maybe it makes me a cheat or a bad person but it was just accepted back then, it is what you did. Unless you were there it is hard to understand.

 

 

I think it makes you human.

 

I think unless you were there or have a pretty good understanding of the history of cycling and drug use within cycling, it's easy to look at it from a black and white point of view.

 

I wish there wasn't drugs in cycling causing the problems there are. But I understand how cycling got to where it is and hope it is now changing. I only became interested in cycling in approx 2005 but have read and watched so much of the old stuff. Theonly name that could appear on a list of doped riders from that era that would cause real surprise to me would be David Moncoutie. That would shock me.

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A lot of people in the "public eye" love the money and fame that comes from it until it bites them and it all gets too hard and they start to roll out this type of stuff you put yourself out there and people comment on how good you are, you get picked up by a good team and paid well, you get comments on how good that is, you tell the world you did drugs and people WILL and CAN comment

 

 

Exactly

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Tear me down on this but I went there and tried, I put my life on hold for it and it was my life. I spent all my money, didnt have an early 20s like most blokes etc etc. I didnt make it cause I wasnt good enough, no excuses there. However if I got the chance that I thought I would get and I was asked to get on the program I would have said yes. It is that simple, sure knowing what I now know at 37 and where I am in life there is no way the answer would be the same today but back then in that environment I would have said yes no question.

Fair enough. But it's a two way street. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

If you want all the accolades/money/fame etc. that comes with making that decision, you have no choice to cop it on the chin and have people call you a doper and question your entire career when you're caught.

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I am with Donncha - live by the sword, die by the sword. Personal responsibility and having a choice is what it comes down to for me. And that is what O'Grady now has to live with when explaining to his family why he is a tainted drug cheat.

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Just like I say about a movie star that complains about the paparazzi. You could have become an accountant.

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Just like I say about a movie star that complains about the paparazzi. You could have become an accountant.

I still regret that porno shoot I did as a struggling student.

 

You can "deny, deny, deny" all you like but one day you're standing at a public urinal and some guy standing next to you glances down at you, a flash of recognition crosses his face and you KNOW that he knows...

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I still regret that porno shoot I did as a struggling student.

 

You can "deny, deny, deny" all you like but one day you're standing at a public urinal and some guy standing next to you glances down at you, a flash of recognition crosses his face and you KNOW that he knows...

WTF are you doing to those poor donuts? :lol:

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