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I strongly agree with TU on one point - the focus should be on the enablers and the people running the sport. These blokes are very good jockeys but very poor media spokespeople and not unsurprisingly come across as dumb every time they open their mouth. Its sad all these blokes are being hung out to dry while the smart people just hide away

 

Speaking of enablers still in the sport, what ever did happen with the Vinnicombe revelations?

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No, just rambling nonsense.   I don't think anyone has claimed that O'Grady or Zabel aren't 'hard men', or that there aren't cheats in other sports and other professions.   The only reason Stuey,

You know, its interesting, I see similarities in the professional peloton to the organisation I joined in the mid 80s.   As history has shown the organisation was entrenched with corruption at every

we all have choices trek. of course he had a choice. just like the bloke who chooses to walk out on his family because he's bored, or it gets a bit hard - granted some choices are very difficult but t

So how long until Lance appeals his decision?

 

With more and more names coming out, he must have grounds for his sentence to be reduced?

 

BTW is it life or 8 years (for Lance). I can't remember.

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None of these findings are actionable in terms of the official authorities banning anyone. It will however test the resolve of teams like OGE who have very recently developed a hard line stance. If they do allow ex-dopers onto their staff, we'll know that nothing has really changed, despite their tough words.

 

 

For criminal actions that depends on the jurisdiction...in France you'd be feeling a little warmer. That's not to say there might not be some actions based on contract breaches, most have terms that they are not to dope or they forfeit earnings.

 

But yes, the UCI has an 8 year limit.

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i dont think most of these guys give a flying **** about being respected by the fans. the pro cycling insiders value their mates inside the scene, their money and their families...survivial. They do enough to give the impression its for the fans- but no more. its a select gang membership and you are bound by a code- in return that provides you with a lot of mates for life and respect within the pro cycling club. He will likely be living, socialising and working with his gang members for most of his future adult life. He would rather **** over anyone else outside it than give up one of his brothers- thats how it works. If you play by their rules you'll have more mates and money than you could ever need. Anyone else is a "punter" .....thats how they see it.

Agreed and this is why the sport of professional cycling is a sham.

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Having gone through all of the evidence in detail, neither Lance nor Jan called Betsy "fat" so they appear to both have excellent prospects on appeal...

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Maybe.

 

O'Grady argues the doping was a one off over two weeks. Therefore implying that the rest of his career was rode paniagua, which if true puts paid to theory there would have been no Olympic gold medals, 17 TDF's but for drug assistance.

 

Indeed if O'Grady is telling the truth & he only doped once then his career & achievements are a testament to fact that talent can transfer into success at the highest level over a long period (including the 'doping years') without doping.

 

But now we are all wondering if Stuey is telling us the complete truth. And our reluctance to believe him is justified because Stuey has previously been asked about doping & denied it. As recently as 2012 in wake of Matt White confession. O'Grady's lie = contempt for the fans & the sport & now he gets contempt in return. Its so bloody sad.

 

Quotes from the Herald Sun Article

"The South Australian cycling star broke down as he told The Advertiser of his decision to take performance enhancing EPO in the two weeks before the `98 Tour"

 

"I used extremely cautious amounts because I'd heard a lot of horror stories and did the absolute minimum of what I hoped would get me through."

 

"He then carried it with him during the `98 Tour, but never used it during the race."

 

 

yet somehow he then tests positive during the tour?? - how long does it stay in your system??

 

"O'Grady said he destroyed it (EPO) when the Festina Affair, where riders were booted off the Tour for alleged doping, blew up in the first week."

 

After struggling in 1997 "It wasn't systematic doping, I wasn't trying to deceive people, I was basically trying to survive in what was a very grey area."

 

 

He then wins a stage and wears yellow in the next tour - all "drug free".

 

The evidence is pretty clear I think - its PR spin and not likely to be true based on the facts. I am becoming more and more of the opinion that they just about all were (are?) dopers.

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Some of you blokes need to understand professional sport. Doing this at that time is akin to a tradie doing a cash job on the weekend. It's wrong but it is what is done.

Bassons etc are outcasts as they weren't going with the flow.

For those that think this is like wwf need to wake up. Still the hardest sport there is doping just made it faster.

No where are the 98 and 99 kona tests....

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Andrew and I are working on it now...

Sorry mate, I've gone over to the dark side for the past 18 months. In reality Lance blew his chances when he didn't contest the 'reasoned decision' document last year before the sanctions where handed down. There is also the sticking point as to whether he blood doped in 2009 and 2010. Lance has made it clear he will not admit to that and USADA and WADA have made it clear they are not prepared to consider any leniency unless Lance agrees to every allegation contained in the 'reasoned decision' document. I think Lance wanted to smash Kona before he's too old (i.e. before he's 45) and I cant see any reduction in sanction happening that would make that possible...

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Andrew and I are working on it now...

Lawyers will have a new addition to their book of tricks. The O'Grady defence: "I swear I only did once; and and and it was only a tiny amount"

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Lawyers will have a new addition to their book of tricks. The O'Grady defence: "I swear I only did once; and and and it was only a tiny amount"

Believe me, that is not a new addition to the book of tricks. More like old faithful...

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Sorry mate, I've gone over to the dark side for the past 18 months. In reality Lance blew his chances when he didn't contest the 'reasoned decision' document last year before the sanctions where handed down. There is also the sticking point as to whether he blood doped in 2009 and 2010. Lance has made it clear he will not admit to that and USADA and WADA have made it clear they are not prepared to consider any leniency unless Lance agrees to every allegation contained in the 'reasoned decision' document. I think Lance wanted to smash Kona before he's too old (i.e. before he's 45) and I cant see any reduction in sanction happening that would make that possible...

Yeah, I get all that.

 

But I really did believe him when he told Oprah that he might have called Betsy a deranged, screaming banshee, lunatic, mental, retarded nutcase - but he never called Betsy "fat"...

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Believe me, that is not a new addition to the book of tricks. More like old faithful...

Haha, just a new name for it!

 

I wonder if "doin' an O'grady" will become as widely used as "doin' a Bradbury"?

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Some of you blokes need to understand professional sport. Doing this at that time is akin to a tradie doing a cash job on the weekend. It's wrong but it is what is done.

Bassons etc are outcasts as they weren't going with the flow.

For those that think this is like wwf need to wake up. Still the hardest sport there is doping just made it faster.

No where are the 98 and 99 kona tests....

 

I'd be interested in the 96 test...

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Interesting how some members on this forum jump to Jens defence because of an emotional attachment. Similar type reactions with O'grady.

 

Anywhere there is fame, power and fortune to be had there will be corruption. Just look at the police force or the prison system.

 

Nina Craft was, in my opinion, unlucky to be the only one caught. Wellington's results have to be questioned.

 

And as for O'Gradys mental health, he should have thought of that before he cheated. Simple

i know of a pro who's results was being looked after.. hmmm thats all im going to say on the subject.

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Quotes from the Herald Sun Article

 

yet somehow he then tests positive during the tour?? - how long does it stay in your system??

 

He then wins a stage and wears yellow in the next tour - all "drug free".

 

The evidence is pretty clear I think - its PR spin and not likely to be true based on the facts. I am becoming more and more of the opinion that they just about all were (are?) dopers.

 

If he was going to lie yesterday, he should have at least got some some advice so his lies would sound plausible.

 

If he doped leading up to the tour, he would have tested clean by stage 14, which is when he had the suspicious result.

 

Seems like lying comes naturally to O'Grady.

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stuey. i smashed the vials.. but was "positived" later...

why bother; if you've lied about doping, then when caught, why would we believe him now. he didnt even leave cycling gracefully. oh - i retire.. (BECAUSE he knows in days time, he will be booted out of cycling)

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Lawyers will have a new addition to their book of tricks. The O'Grady defence: "I swear I only did once; and and and it was only a tiny amount"

Yeah, am trying to help Stuey with his appeal as well.

 

Not as easy as I'd hoped given that he's lied to ASADA and lied to the public and fraudulently made money off his clean image etc, but we will sort something out.

 

His position at the moment is that Lance made him take it, but he does agree with Lance that Betsy isn't fat...

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Lawyers will have a new addition to their book of tricks. The O'Grady defence: "I swear I only did once; and and and it was only a tiny amount"

 

We can have the O'Grady defence put alongside the Lance defence, which is currently "The goverment should have known I was doping"

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In all seriousness, neither Lance nor Stuey were heroes of mine so I didn't cry when each confessed to what many already suspected. I liked Jan so that was a bit harder to take.

 

But if it turns out that Jens doped, I will be having a massive man cry in my garage next to the Wattbike and my TdF DVDs. All Jens fans are invited...

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In all seriousness, neither Lance nor Stuey were heroes of mine so I didn't cry when each confessed to what many already suspected. I liked Jan so that was a bit harder to take.

But if it turns out that Jens doped, I will be having a massive man cry in my garage next to the Wattbike and my TdF DVDs. All Jens fans are invited...

Send the details.

All my autographed Jens stuff can come along too.

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Who knows anymore who was clean - he took it, he kept it quite while winning and collecting pay cheques only to fess up when retired- does not mean much when you are doing it for your own reasons or a smell of crap cannot be hidden anymore

 

When he needs more cash he will likely write a "tell all" book and the rest will come out - or what he wants us to believe

 

I think the guy is as bad as the other dopers and should not have any of the accolades, wins or success they have - they have taken that from others and that is not fair

 

Regardless of how many were doping - it could of been all of them - that is no reason

 

He probably doped his whole career, he is a dope...

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Need to hear a bit more from O'Grady now about all the times he's denied it in the past. He could do some good here: "I lied to protect my livelihood and I know lots of others have done this" etc. etc. and then some ideas for what might have helped him tell the truth some time in the last fifteen years. Like, would some kind of truth and reconciliation commission or moratorium have helped him? Could have done some penance and returned to lead a cleaner peloton.

 

Instead, anyone thinking deeply about this has to assume he doped way more than that once and retired knowing he was about to be outed like the other cowards. Tells a story designed to keep the over-faithful morons happy. Very disappointing.

 

The "Aussies play clean" thing is getting a hiding isn't it? Never liekd that anyway.

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I've worked along side workplace drug testers for the past several years (police, military). Those who test positive are told by their lawyers only to admit to drug use for which there are 100% proof i.e. A and B samples both test positive. Never admit to any other drug use for which there is no proof. Just what SOG is doing now.

 

Would you admit to stealing pencils from the stationery cupboard for ten years, or just that one time the boss caught you red handed? Human nature really.

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i dont think most of these guys give a flying **** about being respected by the fans. the pro cycling insiders value their mates inside the scene, their money and their families...survivial. They do enough to give the impression its for the fans- but no more. its a select gang membership and you are bound by a code- in return that provides you with a lot of mates for life and respect within the pro cycling club. He will likely be living, socialising and working with his gang members for most of his future adult life. He would rather **** over anyone else outside it than give up one of his brothers- thats how it works. If you play by their rules you'll have more mates and money than you could ever need. Anyone else is a "punter" .....thats how they see it.

 

Spot on, grubs of humanity.

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What year was it that Ogrady was towing the entire peleton up the alps - I think when he was in CSC - not bad for someone who got dropped after 5 minutes of a climb .

 

Very similar story to Froome too

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What year was it that Ogrady was towing the entire peleton up the alps - I think when he was in CSC - not bad for someone who got dropped after 5 minutes of a climb .

 

Very similar story to Froome too

2008

 

Not even remotely a similar story to Froome. You couldn't get 2 stories further apart.

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The wheels of truth are churning in all sports. The government is enabling agencies to investigate and collaborate with any number of people to seek out the reality of performances in....every sport and every level.

 

It will take time but..suffice to say...if you are a drug cheat from the past....there is every likelihood your past will catch up with you

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2008

 

Not even remotely a similar story to Froome. You couldn't get 2 stories further apart.

 

Bullshit

 

2 years ago Froome failed to make the time cut offs in the climb stages in the giro - he was disqualified for hanging onto cars on the climbs - this year he's the worlds best climber

 

OGrady says he used to get dropped after 5 mins then a few years later he's dragging the peleton up the climbs

 

Sorry stealthrider I can see a lot of similarities there

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Bullshit

 

2 years ago Froome failed to make the time cut offs in the climb stages in the giro - he was disqualified for hanging onto cars on the climbs - this year he's the worlds best climber

 

OGrady says he used to get dropped after 5 mins then a few years later he's dragging the peleton up the climbs

 

Sorry stealthrider I can see a lot of similarities there

 

WTF. No.

 

O'Grady came from AIS program as a trackie through team pursuit and turned Pro and became a sprinter who could survive over hills. Of course he was getting dropped over hills, he was a bloody sprinter.

 

Froome came from a country with no developmental cycling programs, just turned pro and rode on continental and pro-continental teams before joining Sky and then coming on recently as a GC rider. He wasn't a good climber, but a reasonable TTer. Also, Froome was injured that day he hung onto a motorbike.

 

I would struggle to think of two riders more poles apart in background and riding style than those two you have mentioned.

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Bullshit

 

2 years ago Froome failed to make the time cut offs in the climb stages in the giro - he was disqualified for hanging onto cars on the climbs - this year he's the worlds best climber

 

 

I thought Froome was injured during the 2010 Giro.

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Speaking of enablers still in the sport, what ever did happen with the Vinnicombe revelations?

Statute of limitations, seen the error of their ways, only did it for 2 weeks like 23 years ago,, has seen the light, all so in the past?? So its all okiedokie and tickity boo.

 

Or maybe hard hitters like rupert and mike are well on to this?

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A virus, think it was Icannacycleforcrapvirus, pretty rare... Has recovered well though!

For some (myself included) its a lifelong disease. I've heard training might be the only cure, but it seems like cheating so I will just keep being crap for the rest of my life.

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What year was it that Ogrady was towing the entire peleton up the alps - I think when he was in CSC - not bad for someone who got dropped after 5 minutes of a climb .

 

Very similar story to Froome too

No Hilly, it's very different, O'Grady is Australian....... lol

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WTF. No.

 

O'Grady came from AIS program as a trackie through team pursuit and turned Pro and became a sprinter who could survive over hills. Of course he was getting dropped over hills, he was a bloody sprinter.

 

Froome came from a country with no developmental cycling programs, just turned pro and rode on continental and pro-continental teams before joining Sky and then coming on recently as a GC rider. He wasn't a good climber, but a reasonable TTer. Also, Froome was injured that day he hung onto a motorbike.

 

I would struggle to think of two riders more poles apart in background and riding style than those two you have mentioned.

So how does a sprinter become a rider like Ogrady, i.e. someone who can sit on the front and drag the peleton. Can never see Cav or Greipel etc being able to do that?

 

Not sure if that is a drug thing or not?

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Pursuit background probably points to that ability?

 

I'd agree - however after SOG finished his pursuit career and became a tour rider he open;y said he got dropped after 5 minutes on a slope . Yet here he is towing the peleton up the alps - years after he took that one small dose of EPO

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So how does a sprinter become a rider like Ogrady, i.e. someone who can sit on the front and drag the peleton. Can never see Cav or Greipel etc being able to do that?Not sure if that is a drug thing or not?

He wasn't a Cav, Greipel, McEwan type pure sprinter.

 

Think Hushovd, Boassen Haagen, Boonen, etc. The guys who focus on classics and then domestique at the Tour.

 

Oh, and Greipel spent 200km in the break a Paris Roubaix a few years ago. He can do it if he has to, but he is a team leader who gets to do races where he is the protected rider.

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Maybe Lance hadn't tied him down & stuck the needle in at that stage. :scared:

 

If you read Hincapies confession to USADA you would know that Big George actually spoke to Stephen Swart before any discussion was ever held with Armstrong ;

 

What the heck here are the two relevant points for you

 

Hincapie came clean publicly today. Below are two excerpts from the affidavit that Hincapie provided during the USADA’s investigation of Lance Armstrong.

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Surely O'Grady was a boat person and we can send him back to where he came from.

 

Stuff him for ruining my fantasy that some people on the grand tours are clean.

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Interesting comments attributed to nicki vance on cyclingnews.

 

On one hand accepting on face value that ogrady's omission is accurate i.e. Only for 2 weeks. On the other, acknowledging he was not truthful during the review.

 

Quickly onto making political points.

 

Oh welll

Who hired & paid Vance to review Green Edge & tell them what they wanted to.......I mean.....er.,.cough?

 

"ORICA-GreenEDGE announced today that it will implement all of the recommendations of the Vance Report, which was commissioned to report on anti-doping best practice in cycling and the specific policies and practices of GreenEDGE Cycling. Following this review and its recommendations, Matt White has been appointed to the role as sports director."

 

Yup

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