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As I guess you know, I am a regular cycle commuter. I use a lot of the detours on offer around Syd which makes it much safer and more enjoyable.

 

..... but there are also cycleways I dont use. Clover Moores abomination on Bourke St is completely unsafe and unusable unless you are travelling slower than 20kmh, so I stay on the road, thankfully the dog collared one has also installed speed humps on Bourke so the traffic cant really have a crack at you.

 

The other day I did a ride with a bloke who is a somewhat accomplished bike rider and we always use the cycleway next to Captain Cook Drive between the leagues club and the Kurnell roundabout, and watched as a tri hard dickhead down on his bars etc rode along the single carriageway with gravel shoulder holding up traffic and getting blasted fairly by motorists, and contributing to their cyclist hate factor.

 

So I catch up to this guy and he is oblivious to who I am riding with (hint he goes alright in some race in Hawaii) and the guy gives me a gobful and tells me to mind my own business.

 

I should have bitch slapped him.

 

Have seen lots of this, cyclists riding on main roads holding up traffic, and it is always gumbies who are going slow and usually have an attitude.

 

Whats with these people? Too much positive reinforcement? Problem is for people on the road a bit you are just as likely to bear the brunt of the cycle hate these clowns engender toward motorists.

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That path is my main route to farkernell and I laugh everytime I see someone on that road no matter what time of day. There is a perfectly good bike path along the golf course that would admittedly slow you down by a few k's but I would choose that anyday over a road that not only carries some of the largest b-doubles this side of the humy hwy, it is also not designed for cycle traffic.

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What sort of width are your cycleways and do people walk them as well. Years ago I was pulled over by a coucil worker who was surveying bike riders who weren't using a bike path that had been put down on this particular route I regularily took. Back then I told him it takes twice as long to get to my destination using them. Now I realise that a bike path that really no more than a path and has plenty of twists and turns on it wasn't the place for a kid screaming along on a roadie. And it's not the place now with plenty of walkers with and without dogs, kids on bikes etc. I'd take my kids on it any time, or on a mountain bike so I can to go on the grass to get round someone. A mate and I have been wanting to go to brissie for ages and spend the day riding around, and we'd use any cycleways we could find on our routes.

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Goughy this one runs parralel to the road in question, the road has no shoulder and is a busy section of road with frequent truck usage. Using the road is rediculous in this instance, Im sure its just some cyclists egos wont allow them to use a cycleway.

 

I often give riders on the road there a spray as I drive past. I love the way they look at you like you wouldnt know sh*t. :lol:

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we always use the cycleway next to Captain Cook Drive between the leagues club and the Kurnell roundabout

 

Yep, always use that one, though usually forget to use the roundabout to get to it and have to pull up outside the servo, wait for a break in traffic and then ride over the centre divider!

 

Also ride over the bridge on the footpath - doing 20km/h solo riding up to crest of the bridge when the traffic is doing 80 or 90km/h is too risky for me, even though there are three lanes.

 

As for said eastern suburbs club, their TTT is on Sunday week apparently so I guess they'll be farking up your roads on the 5th, Roxii!

(assuming I've got the right club)

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There is a very 'special' group from the eastern suburbs that think they are too good for the cycleway..... guess.

 

Still???? God I left the Shire 5 years ago, and they were bad back then!!!!!

 

BTW - we go out of our way to use Cycle paths in Brissy - coz it's safe! If I had my way, I'd do all my training on them, the biggest problem is, they don't connect!!! So you get on one, and end up in the middle of nowhere!

 

One thing I've noticed since moving up, is how QLD'ers will totally resist the use of a cycle path, saying it's boring!!! Hmmm, I think I'd rather be bored than dead!!!!

 

:lol:

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the biggest problem is, they don't connect!!! So you get on one, and end up in the middle of nowhere!

That's the biggest problem with the Brissie cycle ways.

Combine that with the on road lanes that just end and you have a real winner.

Close second is the pedestrians on the bike paths.

3rd would be trying to follow some routes that go on road/off road a few times.

Some of the signage is terrible.

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I also use Brissie cycle paths a bit and it's not without it's own problems. People walking gods that aren't on a leash, people walking dogs that are on a leash but they're one one side of the path and the dog is right over the other side with a leash in between them. Then there's some cyclists who take blind corners way too fast and end up on the wrong side of the path not knowing what's coming the other way. Not to mention the parents who take their little kids out and let them get 50 metres up the path doing donuts on the wrong side. I could go on but needless to say when I ride them I'm on high alert ready for anything to happen.

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Have been using the recently completed cycleway along Kent Street into the city. It rocks.

 

Have noticed more and more people on the commute in the mornings and evenings.

 

The only thing that is a hassle is how they have timed some of the lights, so you can be waiting a while. You don't automatically go when the lights for the cars turn green.

 

I think the cycleways throughout the CBD at least in the north are creating a bit of critical mass.

 

Agree the Bourke Street one is a little average, better i find once you get passed Cleveland going north to Taylor Square.

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minimal cycle paths here, and what there is are covered in smashed glass, tight corners, walkers, dogs, kids, and on Sunday a pile of discarded porn DVDs :lol: .... you just wouldn't go there for any sort of training - except running - and even then you are likely to have a less than friendly encounter with the particular demographic responsible for the smashed glass :lol:

 

there are a few cycle lanes on some streets and i always use them

 

but mostly, there is so little traffic, you might hold up 3 cars for 10-20 secs tops - but some of those will still be unhappy about it. It is the big local bunch that really wind up the local drivers though, and even they would not hold up a car for more than maybe 60 secs.

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That path is my main route to farkernell and I laugh everytime I see someone on that road no matter what time of day. There is a perfectly good bike path along the golf course that would admittedly slow you down by a few k's but I would choose that anyday over a road that not only carries some of the largest b-doubles this side of the humy hwy, it is also not designed for cycle traffic.

 

Exactly, we go "round the block" i.e. turn at shark park and come back out at the golf course specifically to avoid holding people up on this stretch.

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Have been using the recently completed cycleway along Kent Street into the city. It rocks.

 

 

Semi agree. Once it goes all the way it will be better. It stops at King right now and then I go up King and that stops at York.

 

I had a run in post Coluzzi this am with a guy that parked across the cycleway. Like the entire way. I moved around and he honked. He rolled down the window, then shat himself as I stopped and told him that it was a cycleway not a car park.

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I don't do any training or commuting where I could be a disruption to the normal flow of traffic or the traffic represents a substantial risk to my own safety.

 

I don't train on cycle ways.

 

I do use cycle ways if commuting but keep the speed low.

 

I don't currently ride enough......

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I had a run in post Coluzzi this am with a guy that parked across the cycleway. Like the entire way. I moved around and he honked. He rolled down the window, then shat himself as I stopped and told him that it was a cycleway not a car park.

 

So like most of the problems between cyclists and motorists, it's a matter of education and tolerance; on both sides. Not everyone but there seems to be an equal amount of motorists and cyclists who don't want to give any quarter to the other.

 

Does the problem seem to be getting any better at all?

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What frustrates me, are the amount of "cycle lanes" that are used as a car park! So - when you're actually riding in the designated bike path, you can't - you have to ride on either the white line, or in the traffic! THEN cars get frustrated at us!!!!

 

If the council are going to designate cycle lanes, there should be NO parking in them!

 

:lol:

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There is a very 'special' group from the eastern suburbs that think they are too good for the cycleway..... guess.

That is just insane. Even if the cycleway is beneath you, take the right at the roundabout just in front of Wooloware High and then left at the next roundabout to go around the back of the golf course.

 

I remember one morning myself and another had managed to get dropped from the CTC pack so we took that section of road (it is like 06.10am) to catch the remainder of the bunch going out to Kurnell, and even then it is was BS. I've never done that again, just too dangerous - too narrow and the surface is crap.

 

After the ride with the bushies on Sunday I continued on to meet my wife and children at a friend's place in Leichhardt and I regularly use the bike paths to get there. I take the bike path from Bestic St, Brighton through to Tempe and since I was on the road bike I take a short stint on the Princes Hwy and turn left at these lights just past the old bus depot and the block of shops and get onto Unwins Bridge Rd and ride through the back of Tempe/Sydenham and through the back streets of Enmore and come out on Crystal St in Petersham.

 

If I'm on my hard tail I use a bit more of the bike paths, like Capt Cook Bridge and under and along the beach at Ramsgate, but some of it (the section under Tempe station) isn't really road bike friendly. I'm happy to use the bike paths especially later in the day and it keeps me off busy roads. With a hard tail I have the freedom to incorporate some offroad trails early in the piece too, it all makes for a pleasant jaunt to lunch.

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Taking on that stretch between the Cronulla Turn off and the Leagues Club is suicide - the amount of heavy vehicles and other vehicles heading in and out of farkurnell has been off the scale with all the development going on out there. One good storm and the whole joint will be under water apart from the "hill" at Cape Solander - yet the development continues. Taking the long way around the Golf Course is way more safer. Now there is another residential development being drawn up at the moment with a lovely view of the sewer treatment plant -noice....

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Taking on that stretch between the Cronulla Turn off and the Leagues Club is suicide - the amount of heavy vehicles and other vehicles heading in and out of farkurnell has been off the scale with all the development going on out there. One good storm and the whole joint will be under water apart from the "hill" at Cape Solander - yet the development continues. Taking the long way around the Golf Course is way more safer. Now there is another residential development being drawn up at the moment with a lovely view of the sewer treatment plant -noice....

 

The good news is that as part of new development they are going to shut down the land fill, so at least we will not have to contend with the tippers after that. The downside is that the landfill sites are to be made into playing fields, so Sat mornings will be hell with soccer mums ferrying litlle Johhny to footy!

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If possible, I definitely like to use them when commuting. Way too much traffic in Sydney now days.

 

This week I have used the Pyrmont Bridge to Anzac Bridge cycle route to get out to Balmain. I have often used the bike paths/route around Artarmon and the short Mac Uni-Turramurra path is brilliant, mainly because of the relatively quiet roads at either end and how effectively it links either side of the upper Lane Cove River valley.

 

As for training, I am fortunate to live in an area of Sydney that has plenty of relatively safe on-road options.

 

Question for the city commuters: what is the safest and least stressful route from the Harbour Bridge to Centennial Park?

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Question for the city commuters: what is the safest and least stressful route from the Harbour Bridge to Centennial Park?

Paul, not that I commute to the city much but I used to run from Kent St out to Mosman and back and also to Double Bay and back so I can get you from the Bridge to the Domain easily enough. When you come of the Bridge near the observatory there is an underpass to get to the eastern side of the Cahill Expressway and on that side there is a set of stairs that takes you onto a pathway beside the it over the top of the Quay and sets you down near the Conservatorium. Disclaimer: not too sure of the status of this pathway with regard to bikes. I hardly ever saw anyone use it anyway.

 

After that you could muddle your way through the back streets of Darlo and Paddington and come out on Oxford St across the road from CP. Someone else might be more familar but it should be easy enough to plot a course through the back streets using a map.

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I have the last 4-5km of my commute home as a cycle way. It's often got some people walking it in and it might take a few mins extra but it beats risking getting run over by an urban warrior mums picking their primary school kid up in a car big enough to tow a caravan!

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Perth is brilliant for cycleways IMHO. From the city you can do some very long rides barely having to cross a road, let alone ride on one. Pedestrians, kids and w*anker cyclists (as opposed to w*nker triathletes) can be an issue but lately I've just been thinking "What would TUV do?" Often I am disgusted at my following behavior.

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