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Fire works cancelled in Bathurst this year. We are on strict water restrictions with our water supply, Ben Chifley Dam at 38% and dropping with no rain forecasted.

Its so dry, my son and family travelling from Dubbo on Christmas Eve witnessed a fire on the side of the road that was apparently started by a cigarette butt thrown from a window.

We have had continual smoke haze for approx 3 weeks.

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1 minute ago, fiftyplus said:

Its so dry, my son and family travelling from Dubbo on Christmas Eve witnessed a fire on the side of the road that was apparently started by a cigarette butt thrown from a window.

For the life of me I still can't understand that. I've seen traffic island gardens on fire caused by the same thing. Do people not understand that the glowing section at the end of the cigarette is an ember, eg fire?

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1 minute ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

For the life of me I still can't understand that. I've seen traffic island gardens on fire caused by the same thing. Do people not understand that the glowing section at the end of the cigarette is an ember, eg fire?

Seen three people flick their cigarettes out of windows and one at the shops. When called on it he got very aggressive, other people supported the person calling him and he shuffled along.

https://www.qld.gov.au/emergency/safety/explosives-fireworks/fireworks/effects-of-fireworks

But you can use fire works and it is okay, blame Guy Fawkes

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10 hours ago, trinube said:

There probably are contracts, but if there was a smart government (now there's an oxymoron) there would be insurance or caveats to cover these sorts of circumstances.

Maybe they have insurance, but they probably wouldn't pay out if they decided to cancel it because it's the wrong thing to do. Now that there's a Fire Ban, and IF it gets extended till tomorrow night, and IF the chief fire warden pulls the exemption, then they may be able to cancel it & get paid out.

How do they pay out the hundreds of thousands of people who have already paid to stay in the city just to watch the fireworks, and those that have flown from around the world to watch the first really big celebration of the new year?

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5 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

There is a fire ban in Canberra and no fireworks.

I'm not so sure that the People's Republic of Canberra reflects the rest of the country all that well 

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31 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I'm not so sure that the People's Republic of Canberra reflects the rest of the country all that well 

There is a total fire ban and the risk was deemed too high, you don't agree with the assessment?

Edited by BarryBevan

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15 hours ago, trinube said:

So you think it's fine for a government to contravene its own fire ban?  It's nonsensical.

As someone who works in the media I don't give a shit what they think. I certainly don't need Murdoch or Nine to 'spin' the bleeding obvious. 

But Sydney doesn’t have a current fire ban. 
 

you seriously have no idea and are just a bleeding heart.  
 

you need to get over your selfish views that stop millions of people’s enjoyment.  
 

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3 minutes ago, Peter said:

But Sydney doesn’t have a current fire ban. 
 

you seriously have no idea and are just a bleeding heart.  
 

you need to get over your selfish views that stop millions of people’s enjoyment.  
 

https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fdr-and-tobans

Think there is a subtle thing going on here, but I'll go with it

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1 hour ago, Peter said:

But Sydney doesn’t have a current fire ban. 

you seriously have no idea and are just a bleeding heart.  

you need to get over your selfish views that stop millions of people’s enjoyment.  

Hey Peter, go **** yourself. Feel free to write an apology for the no fire ban comment. 

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 If they are going to fine the arse off you for flicking a ciggy butt out of the car in the CBD while there is a fire ban it’s extremely hypocritical to let off thousands of fireworks in the same area. 
Disclaimer: never been a huge fan of fireworks, I just don’t get “it” 

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1 hour ago, trinube said:

Hey Peter, go **** yourself. Feel free to write an apology for the no fire ban comment. 

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Not sure where you got your doctored picture from. 

I used the link supplied by Barry.  But nice try. 

and even if there was a total fire ban.  As mentioned above, fireworks are exempted.  

But once again, it will all blow away. 

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Is there a high risk of a bush fire starting on the Sydney harbour Bridge? Or is the harbour so polluted it might catch fire? 

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Disclaimer, don't live in Sydney, but I thought Greater Sydney was Sydney. Roxi's point well made, about ciggies and fire works

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2 minutes ago, BarryBevan said:

Disclaimer, don't live in Sydney, but I thought Greater Sydney was Sydney. Roxi's point well made, about ciggies and fire works

Ciggies are a burning ember on the ground-do professional fireworks normally reach the ground still burning? 

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16 minutes ago, more said:

Ciggies are a burning ember on the ground-do professional fireworks normally reach the ground still burning? 

Not “normally” but have done so on many occasions, displays have also gone awry occasionally with unexpected consequences. 
 

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-17/barge-explodes-and-catches-fire-at-canberra-skyfire-annual-event/10909380


yes the harbour is an unlikely place to inadvertently start a fire but again the cigarette law is the same whether in city or country, so if it’s deemed “dangerous” to flick a ciggy butt in George st on a total fire ban day then it’s seems hard to justify half an hour of explosive fire. 
 

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3 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

I'm not so sure that the People's Republic of Canberra reflects the rest of the country all that well 

I suspect those that lived through the 2003 fires which killed 4, injured hundreds and destroyed nearly 500 homes might disagree. Many homes burned were no where near any forest. Homes destroyed by fire extended many km from the fringe areas.

Canberra is a city populated with humans like the rest of us. It's extremely dry at present and highly prone to further fire threat. I would consider their decision to be prudent.

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32 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Not sure where you got your doctored picture from. 

I used the link supplied by Barry.  

So did I, if you scroll down it shows more places. 

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And if the fire dept deem tomorrow to be “catastrophic” fire danger then they will not be exempt. 
 

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Part of the reason Bathurst cancelled fireworks was because they also had to keep surrounding parkland and areas wet in case of a fire. We don’t have water to spare for such an incident.

Sydney is in a difficult situation as they probably have contracts, commitments and tourism to think about and can’t cancel easily. They are also part of the world stage and have to compete against other major cities around the world. Personally I don’t care about fireworks and consider them a waste of money, but that’s my opinion.

This is the video taken by my daughter in law on their way from Dubbo. I hope it works OK.

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18 minutes ago, more said:

Ciggies are a burning ember on the ground-do professional fireworks normally reach the ground still burning? 

Don’t know I’m happy to be advised by people who do this stuff for real. They made a risk assessment here and cancelled.

Sydney much different risk profile so likely to go ahead.

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Parramatta Council have cancelled their NYE fireworks.

There is a TOBAN in place in Sydney city and surrounding areas. It's up to the RFS as to whether the fireworks proceeds.

I have memories of the 1993/94 fires. Sydney and surrounding areas were hit pretty hard, including Lane Cove:

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32 minutes ago, Peter said:

Not sure where you got your doctored picture from. I used the link supplied by Barry.  But nice try. 

and even if there was a total fire ban.  As mentioned above, fireworks are exempted.  But once again, it will all blow away. 

So now you're publicly accusing me of deception? Here, try the link for yourself and you can apologise for that as well.

https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fdr-and-tobans 

Interesting we have people in Victoria and Queensland who think they know more about what's happening in Sydney than the people that live there. Ironic they'd be using the media for their information.

Perhaps if they listened to the 'media spin' properly - instead of having their heads up their arses - they'd have heard reporting on the weekend of a 7 day TFB for NSW.

As for people's enjoyment, why don't we just make drink driving legal for NYE as well - wouldn't want to have millions of people not enjoying themselves. Seriously, you sound like an impatient 10 year old waiting for the next roman candle to be lit. They can run them next year, sometimes people have to make big boy decisions even if some people might not like it. The real issue is the politicians are spineless and don't have the balls to make the decisions they should.

There's thousands of men and women out there risking their lives fighting fires and you're worrying about a bunch of piss-heads who want to watch some giant sparklers. People have died, thousands of homes lost, tens of thousands of people affected and billions of dollars up in smoke and you choose to spit in the eye of the people trying to protect those still in danger. You're all class.

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46 minutes ago, Peter said:

and even if there was a total fire ban.  As mentioned above, fireworks are exempted.  

 

Looks like you are wrong again. 
 

Quote from abc a few minutes ago: It is understood the organisers of Sydney's harbour fireworks have applied for an exemption from the total fire ban, however it is unclear whether it has been granted.

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18 minutes ago, roxii said:

Looks like you are wrong again. 
 

Quote from abc a few minutes ago: It is understood the organisers of Sydney's harbour fireworks have applied for an exemption from the total fire ban, however it is unclear whether it has been granted.

I’m just going on what ex said. 

But let’s see who’s right tomorrow night. 

If there are fireworks I’m right (as usual) 

if they are canceled, the trinube is.  

Only 30 hours to find out. 

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6 minutes ago, Peter said:

But let’s see who’s right tomorrow night. 

If there are fireworks I’m right (as usual), if they are canceled, the trinube is.  

You can't get anything right can you? I'm not saying they'll be cancelled - in fact in my last post I said they wouldn't.

Stop lying and bull-sh!tting to try and look like you're right - it's getting tiresome and you're not fooling anyone.

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19 minutes ago, Peter said:

If there are fireworks I’m right (as usual) 

if they are canceled, the trinube is.  

If you think that’s how it works then sure. :rolleyes: 

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1 hour ago, trinube said:

You can't get anything right can you? I'm not saying they'll be cancelled - in fact in my last post I said they wouldn't.

Stop lying and bull-sh!tting to try and look like you're right - it's getting tiresome and you're not fooling anyone.

LOL 😂.  

But I am right.  

 

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The City of Sydney says the fireworks brings $133 million to the local economy, more than the $42 million for Lunar New Year. Vivid Sydney brings a $173 million economic benefit, although the event lasts for more than three weeks.

This is why even if Hornsby and the shire were both burning, it would still happen. 

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21 minutes ago, Peter said:

LOL 😂.  

But I am right.  

You fool. Just because you think you're right doesn't make it so. 

There was the wrong information about the total fire ban, the deceitful suggestion I doctored a graphic, and the wrong assertion that I said they'd be cancelled. I'm yet to see anything you've been right on.

Give yourself an uppercut. Congrats number 14.

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29 minutes ago, Peter said:

This is why even if Hornsby and the shire were both burning, it would still happen. 

But it wouldn't take much to wipe out such gains...

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The economic cost of bushfires on Sydney revealed: up to $50 million a day and rising

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-economic-cost-of-bushfires-on-sydney-revealed-up-to-50-million-a-day-and-rising-20191212-p53jbq.html

It has devastated the economies of coastal towns up and down the state. There will be a lot of economic hardship to follow as businesses that rely heavily on the holiday season eventually have to fold in the months ahead. Then the social costs that inevitably follow.

In any case, the fireworks will in all likelihood proceed and one would hope they are safe and that Sydney isn't already covered in smoke. Not being able to see them would be kinda dumb.

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One positive is the display presents a wonderful opportunity to acknowledge those affected, those helping to keep people and property safe and to raise money for those who so need our support at this time, and in the months ahead.

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"The world-renowned Sydney Harbour New Year’s Eve fireworks display has been approved despite the NSW Rural Fire Service declaring a total fire ban on Tuesday for the city." 

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3 hours ago, trinube said:

Interesting we have people in Victoria and Queensland who think they know more about what's happening in Sydney than the people that live there. Ironic they'd be using the media for their information.

Trinube, when I made my comment, there was no ban in Sydney. It came in today. And I didn't use the media for my information, I used the RFS site that you used above.

1 hour ago, trinube said:

There was the wrong information about the total fire ban,

When that info was given, it was the correct information. I stated "no fire ban currently"

 

Not having a go at you personally Trinube, but like you I don't like being told I said something that I didn't, or purposely doctored/gave false info.

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38 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Trinube, when I made my comment, there was no ban in Sydney. It came in today. And I didn't use the media for my information, I used the RFS site that you used above. When that info was given, it was the correct information. I stated "no fire ban currently"

No it wasn't correct - there was a ban. As mentioned above it was reported on the weekend there would be a 7 day total fire ban. There was alway going to be a total ban for the rest of the week - you may not have been aware but in that case you shouldn't have been so quick to tee off on me.

 

38 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Not having a go at you personally Trinube, but like you I don't like being told I said something that I didn't, or purposely doctored/gave false info.

FFS - yes you are having a go and it's not the first time this thread. You said "And there is no fire ban currently for Sydney" when there was. You might not like it, but that's a direct quote from you. I'm not telling you anything - just pointing out what you said was wrong.

Maybe you and Peter can sit around and hold hands dissing me. He seems to be the specialist on doctored information and wrongfully accusing others.

Life's too short for this sh!t.

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New ciggie but laws coming in next year as well.

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And from January 17, NSW drivers busted throwing lit cigarettes from their car will be slugged with a $660 fine – and the loss of five demerit points, the first time a demerit point penalty has been imposed on this type of offence.

But those penalties will be doubled if an offence occurs during total fire ban periods to 10 demerit points and a fine of up to $11,000.

 

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1 minute ago, trinube said:

No it wasn't correct - there was a ban. As mentioned above it was reported on the weekend there would be a 7 day total fire ban.

Can you please show where? The NSW RFS site still doesn't show a total fire ban for NSW. It shows individual regions with bans.

And I'm sorry if you took it personally. It was never intended that way.

Bye

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1 hour ago, more said:

"The world-renowned Sydney Harbour New Year’s Eve fireworks display has been approved despite the NSW Rural Fire Service declaring a total fire ban on Tuesday for the city." 

Don’t bring facts into this. Some people don’t like that. 

39 minutes ago, trinube said:

No it wasn't correct - there was a ban. As mentioned above it was reported on the weekend there would be a 7 day total fire ban. There was alway going to be a total ban for the rest of the week - you may not have been aware but in that case you shouldn't have been so quick to tee off on me.

 

FFS - yes you are having a go and it's not the first time this thread. You said "And there is no fire ban currently for Sydney" when there was. You might not like it, but that's a direct quote from you. I'm not telling you anything - just pointing out what you said was wrong.

Maybe you and Peter can sit around and hold hands dissing me. He seems to be the specialist on doctored information and wrongfully accusing others.

Life's too short for this sh!t.

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Omg. You were wrong. Face the fact.  

I did a screen shot of it. 

 

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8 hours ago, Peter said:

Omg. You were wrong. Face the fact.  

I did a screen shot of it. 

That screen shot you provided did NOT show all the council areas covered by the ban. It only showed the first handful on the list. That app screen required you to scroll down the list to view all of the areas covered by the ban, which included Sydney City and dozens of other LGAs in the Sydney region.

In this you most definitely were factually incorrect.

Whether or not your error was deliberate or simply an oversight on your part I don't know but you should at least acknowledge you were wrong rather than double down based on invalid information.

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Another volunteer firefighter killed in a truck rollover. Horrible accident, and truly tragic.

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3 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Another volunteer firefighter killed in a truck rollover. Horrible accident, and truly tragic.

Saw this on the news-how in the f$ck does wind pick up a fire truck and flip it over?? That's just insane.

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21 hours ago, Peter said:

But Sydney doesn’t have a current fire ban. 
 

you seriously have no idea and are just a bleeding heart.  
 

you need to get over your selfish views that stop millions of people’s enjoyment.  
 

18 hours ago, Peter said:

 

Not sure where you got your doctored picture from. 

I used the link supplied by Barry.  But nice try. 

and even if there was a total fire ban.  As mentioned above, fireworks are exempted.  

But once again, it will all blow away. 

15 hours ago, Peter said:

LOL 😂.  

But I am right.  

 

12 hours ago, Peter said:

Don’t bring facts into this. Some people don’t like that. 

Omg. You were wrong. Face the fact.  

I did a screen shot of it. 

 

2 hours ago, Peter said:

It was an oversight 

 

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Mallacootaa looks very very bad. Maybe time to focus on those people, the fire fighters and less about being right on an internet forum

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6 hours ago, more said:

Saw this on the news-how in the f$ck does wind pick up a fire truck and flip it over?? That's just insane.

Fire tornado -  fire creates its own weather patterns both large and small

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Catastrophic, not over and more loss of life. The weather will be milder but gets bad again on the weekend. Many people from here went down the coast earlier in the week, even though they were advised not to go.

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Heaps of people seems to boycott the Sydney fireworks last night. 

Looks like they only got a few million to watch. 😆

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