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1 minute ago, roxii said:

He could go and smash the local Crossfit gym. 

I didn't know he was a vegan.

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3 minutes ago, roxii said:

He could go and smash the local Crossfit gym. 

He might find some better drugs that might have got him on the top step of the podium.

 

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25 minutes ago, Peter said:

Technically but if he was to turn up and run the Shepparton Half Marathon entered online as Stef Johns, it's not checked. 

Or even a Sri Chinmoy event where you can write whatever you want when you enter on the day, you can still race.

Lisa Marangon has been racing events on ZWIFT.  I see her all the time on there. 

of course he can try that - but he will risk further sanctions and a permanent ban

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Really feel sorry for the blind athlete he guided.  He must be spewing!

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3 hours ago, MissJess said:

The story was in SMH as well, and I think they have a picture of him (from memory). All for an age-group podium.

Yes, that's how I confirmed it was the same bloke I met. Otherwise couldn't be sure because it's a fairly common name even though the age group seemed about right. 

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On 30/07/2019 at 9:08 AM, MissJess said:

Yeah, I have two friends who have just moved up a place out of this, of course everyone is disappointed that this has happened.

I do wonder about how he got team selection for AG? Given the amount of competition for GC I thought TA would have had regular testing throughout the season and post selection, then at least the first reserve would have gotten the spot they deserved.

I am assuming as Gosens is a Queenslander that Thompson is affiliated with Tri QLD, and a club up there, anyone know?

From memory I was one of the reserves in the 35-39 age group for the sprint race. Never thought I would have been affected by someone doping for something I do for a bit of fun.

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4 minutes ago, Froudie said:

From memory I was one of the reserves in the 35-39 age group for the sprint race. Never thought I would have been affected by someone doping for something I do for a bit of fun.

Found the team, I was 5th reserve. Looks like the first three got a call-up before the event, so reserve 4 Paul Dineen was the next in line...

RESERVE LIST

Jonathan Dawson M 35-39 ACT Performance Triathlon Coaching (PTC Canberra) Reserve 1

Brendan Wall M 35-39 NSW Clarence valley triathlon club Reserve 2

Aaron Buchan M 35-39 SA lakers Reserve 3

Paul Dineen M 35-39 NSW Newcastle Tri club Reserve 4

David Froude M 35-39 VIC Knox Reserve 5

 

 

 

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Conversation at bike training tonight include this and what knobs both of them are.  

An observation made by one person was interesting, though. Went like this:

"Makes you wonder about some of the performances at ITU champs and ironman races by top age groupers back in the 1990s and early 2000's. When no one was drug tested. Especially when you see some of those same men and women walking around today with heart problems or cancer or maybe Parkinson's disease." 

Hope I quoted them accurate enough to convey their point of view. 

For mine, yeah it does make you wonder, now. I was around the sport back in those days and yes their were some performances that raised eyebrows but most of us (probably naively) just thought those people must have done a shitload of training. Never suspected they were on the juice. Didn't get that cynical until about 2009. 

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Parkinson's is hereditary. You're either born with Parkinson's gene or you're not.

Heart disease and some cancers can also be hereditary as well as poor lifestyle choices.

You can't blame these things on being a scumbag drug cheat.

I suspect age group drug cheats would be far more common these days due to the accessibility of drugs online and through the increase of travel. It's pretty common these days for serious insects to fly to Asia or Spain for 'training camps' etc. We're a lot less shocked these days when we hear of pro athletes cheating thanks to the likes of Armstrongs etc all the cheats that have come out of the woodwork these days. We're told it's normal to dope if you want to be an elite cyclist so it's no surprise age groupers are jumping on the bandwagon.

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I’m too shit to dope. Ironically I got labeled a drug cheat today.  

Clearly the farktard has never seem my results. 

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29 minutes ago, Peter said:

I’m too shit to dope. Ironically I got labeled a drug cheat today.  

Clearly the farktard has never seem my results. 

By the wife? Viagra?

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At AG level back in the early days there'd have been very minimal PED use.

There was bugger-all "acclaim" in being a top AGer, and PEDs would have been a lot harder to come by. Add to that it was easier to get to the top through a bit of hard work as there wasn't the depth there is now, and even when you were there the only "social media" to brag about it through was your mates at the pub.

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3 hours ago, The Customer said:

Parkinson's is hereditary. You're either born with Parkinson's gene or you're not.

Incorrect. Only a small percentage of people with Parkinson's have a family history of it. The current belief is that it is a mixture of hereditary and environmental factors that cause it.

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Considering that last week I interviewed two of the world's leading Professors and Researchers on the topic, I'll stick with what they said - Professor Miratul Muqit and Professor Dario Alessi, director of the MRC-PPU.

https://www.dundee.ac.uk/news/2018/scientists-overturn-odds-to-make-parkinsons-discovery-.php

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47 minutes ago, The Customer said:

Considering that last week I interviewed two of the world's leading Professors and Researchers on the topic, I'll stick with what they said - Professor Miratul Muqit and Professor Dario Alessi, director of the MRC-PPU.

https://www.dundee.ac.uk/news/2018/scientists-overturn-odds-to-make-parkinsons-discovery-.php

Cool - interesting findings. Still doesn't say that it is always hereditary. There is a component.

https://parkinsonsnewstoday.com/is-parkinsons-hereditary/

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10 hours ago, The Customer said:

Parkinson's is hereditary. You're either born with Parkinson's gene or you're not.

Heart disease and some cancers can also be hereditary as well as poor lifestyle choices.

You can't blame these things on being a scumbag drug cheat.

I suspect age group drug cheats would be far more common these days due to the accessibility of drugs online and through the increase of travel. It's pretty common these days for serious insects to fly to Asia or Spain for 'training camps' etc. We're a lot less shocked these days when we hear of pro athletes cheating thanks to the likes of Armstrongs etc all the cheats that have come out of the woodwork these days. We're told it's normal to dope if you want to be an elite cyclist so it's no surprise age groupers are jumping on the bandwagon.

Sure these things occur naturally but there's evidence in other sports of PEDS accelerating the growth of cancers and activating certain medical conditions to do with the heart or nurlogical system. Weightlifting, powerlifting and body building a littered eith examples of athletes who have suffered from the results of using PEDS. Have a look at how many top body builders from the 1980's are still alive. The results of that reasearch are scary (btw, I'm told there's a docco on Netflix about this). Cycling, well same again. Too many suspicious deaths and illnesses to quote here. 

I guess the owner of the original quote that I posted, wanted our sport to consider the possibility that, we are now just seeing the results of PEDS use 10 to 15 years ago or even earlier, amongst age groupers and not just professionals. 

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10 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

At AG level back in the early days there'd have been very minimal PED use.

There was bugger-all "acclaim" in being a top AGer, and PEDs would have been a lot harder to come by. Add to that it was easier to get to the top through a bit of hard work as there wasn't the depth there is now, and even when you were there the only "social media" to brag about it through was your mates at the pub.

Good point. Age group triathlon was just like over 45s soccer. Friends and mates competing for fun and the result didn't really matter. I was there in the early 80s and can pretty well say confidently that no age grouper would have thought of taking drugs. It just didn't mean that much. The sport has changed and social media means people derive self esteem from different areas of their life now. Triathlon was niche at best and community based. My hope is the sport keeps regressing to a comfortable point whereby the state and national associations scale down and people can enter the sport at whatever level and standard they wish without this constant push for 'growth.' It's not a business or a corporation but a small sport that enhances the health and well being of people. Taking drugs to get 4th at Worlds as a 35 year old? Geezuz...    

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I don't find it surprising at all that age groupers dope, especially considering some of the personality types this sport is supposed to attract. Many business professionals seem to tie their whole self worth to their work and work identity, so I guess for some of them that approach carries over to their chosen sport. A bit of a win at all costs attitude where you only lose if you get caught etc..

I just feel glad that everyone I have met so far are good blokes and not wankers, but my god I reckon Slowtwitchers  (yanks) would be full of dopers..FFS there is a big long thread there at the moment about whether you should oil your chain the night before or the day of a race...seriously?

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1 minute ago, more said:

.FFS there is a big long thread there at the moment about whether you should oil your chain the night before or the day of a race...seriously?

I don't do Twits but what was the consensus? 

I'm doing my first ride to mordie tomorrow in about 3 years and oiling my chain tonight or tomorrow morning could make all the difference for me..  

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17 hours ago, Froudie said:

From memory I was one of the reserves in the 35-39 age group for the sprint race. Never thought I would have been affected by someone doping for something I do for a bit of fun.

That was my other thought too, I figured there would be 5 reserves on top of the 25 selected. Did all you guys buy the uniform just in case?

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18 hours ago, Froudie said:

From memory I was one of the reserves in the 35-39 age group for the sprint race. Never thought I would have been affected by someone doping for something I do for a bit of fun.

 

56 minutes ago, MissJess said:

That was my other thought too, I figured there would be 5 reserves on top of the 25 selected. Did all you guys buy the uniform just in case?

I think you'd have an extremely good case for next time applying and saying you wanted special allowance to get a spot due to your spot last time was taken by a drug cheat.

Keep all the info just in case.

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I think these people should be taking drugs so they don't care about their results as much. Different type of drugs though.

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On 01/08/2019 at 10:12 AM, goughy said:

Really feel sorry for the blind athlete he guided.  He must be spewing!

Maybe the guide could man up and say he took it the day after the para event?

Or the para could sue him for expenses......

 

Disclaimer: my drug of choice is chocolate and I take over the prescribed dose....

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3 hours ago, Peter said:

I don't do Twits but what was the consensus? 

I'm doing my first ride to mordie tomorrow in about 3 years and oiling my chain tonight or tomorrow morning could make all the difference for me..  

Oil ..... how 1990's

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5 hours ago, more said:

..there is a big long thread there('twits) at the moment about whether you should oil your chain the night before or the day of a race...seriously?

I'd go for night before then wipe it off race morning (esp if in an overnight transition)

- and I meant the chain lube....

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9 hours ago, Peter said:

I don't do Twits but what was the consensus? 

I'm doing my first ride to mordie tomorrow in about 3 years and oiling my chain tonight or tomorrow morning could make all the difference for me..  

Matching kit and coffe money way more important than chain lube. 

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8 hours ago, trifun said:

Maybe the guide could man up and say he took it the day after the para event?

Or the para could sue him for expenses......

 

Disclaimer: my drug of choice is chocolate and I take over the prescribed dose....

If Gossens was competing for Olympic points as the article stated, that means elite level so he wouldn't have paid entry fees etc. TA through Aus sport commission funding would have been footing his bills for this one (Olympic points for para only started may 2019 so this was inaccurate reporting, he didn't lose his Olympic points, but hey)

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On 02/08/2019 at 11:09 AM, MissJess said:

That was my other thought too, I figured there would be 5 reserves on top of the 25 selected. Did all you guys buy the uniform just in case?

No uniform for me, they finalised the team a long way out and before the uniform deadline had occurred. Something like 3 months prior to the actual event. If anyone pulled out closer to the event, I assume they either weren't replaced or they offered it to someone who was racing the other distance on offer. Besides, they'd already made their money off the withdrawal.... 

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2 hours ago, Froudie said:

No uniform for me, they finalised the team a long way out and before the uniform deadline had occurred. Something like 3 months prior to the actual event. If anyone pulled out closer to the event, I assume they either weren't replaced or they offered it to someone who was racing the other distance on offer. Besides, they'd already made their money off the withdrawal.... 

Actually, for the the sprint distance Tri, they were replaced up to 4 weeks out from the event for Some older age group categories that had less than the 5 reserves listed. A few emails and phone calls were made to the next in line, like a Kona ironman spot roll down. The goal was not to have these categories too thin on the ground on race day. Team uniforms were available from 17 hours if TA didn't have one for you. I don't know of anyone who took up the offer. Besides, who could be arsed dropping a grand on travel and accomodation to the GC just for a sprint race.

 

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And another Aussie Age Grouper  Margo Mackintosh busted.  Sadly it seems she is a Triathlon Coach 

http://www.temposystems.com.au/margo-mackintosh-coach/

 

https://www.triathlon.org/news/article/notification_of_anti_doping_violation

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ITU hereby reports that Australian triathlete Margo Mackintosh has been suspended from competition for committing an inadvertent anti-doping rule violation involving the presence of a prohibited substance.

Ms. Mackintosh has served a 12-week period of ineligibility after failing an in-competition doping control during the 2019 Duathlon ITU Multisport World Championships in Pontevedra, Spain in which she finished 1st in the 35-39 Age Group category.  Her urine sample returned an adverse analytical finding for Higenamine, classified under the Prohibited List as a Beta 2 Agonist.

The Athlete established that, unbeknownst to her at the time of use, her dietary supplement contained the Higenamine - although Higenamine was not listed on its label or ingredient list. 

ITU therefore, once again, reminds all triathletes of the risks associated with taking supplements.

Ms. Mackintosh’ period of ineligibility began on May 27, 2019 the date of her sample collection.  The results she earned at the 2019 Multisport World Championships in Pontevedra, Spain have been disqualified, with all resulting consequences, including the forfeiture of any titles, awards, medals, points and appearance money.  The Athlete is now free to resume competition.

 

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1 hour ago, Peter said:

And another Aussie Age Grouper  Margo Mackintosh busted.  Sadly it seems she is a Triathlon Coach 

http://www.temposystems.com.au/margo-mackintosh-coach/

 

https://www.triathlon.org/news/article/notification_of_anti_doping_violation

 

I've known Margo for many years. She is an awesome athlete and nothing but talent and hard work has gotten her the results. This is a sad chain of events.

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Yeah I think this seems like a bit of bad luck/ poor judgement. 

I would say it would be no mean feat for an age grouper to get a full blown sanction downgraded to a 12 week ban, she must have had some good evidence and probably cost a bomb to prove as well. 

I wouldn't put it in the same category as most other infringements. 

Silly, careless, naive maybe but not a cheat. 

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33 minutes ago, roxii said:

Yeah I think this seems like a bit of bad luck/ poor judgement. 

I would say it would be no mean feat for an age grouper to get a full blown sanction downgraded to a 12 week ban, she must have had some good evidence and probably cost a bomb to prove as well. 

I wouldn't put it in the same category as most other infringements. 

Silly, careless, naive maybe but not a cheat. 

They tested a sealed container and her container. Both contained the banned substance and it was not listed in the ingredients.

The only way to be totally sure is to take nothing.

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5 minutes ago, AA7 said:

The only way to be totally sure is to take nothing.

Yep, probably save quite a few $$ as well on your expensive wee. 

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What she was busted for is most likely in a dodgy pre race supplement or weight loss type shake. It has been pretty common knowledge that there are supplements of this type about that do contain it. If anyone wanted to take something like that I would recommend only using a brand that has independant batch testing(HESTA, Informed Sport etc) against banned ingredients. They are easy to find and purchase in Aus, their names might not sound as impressive as "white rage" or "spazmotic" but are a much safer alternative. Anyone who takes something with a stupid power name that claims to do all sorts of amazing things is treading a fine line.

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56 minutes ago, Trier said:

What she was busted for is most likely in a dodgy pre race supplement or weight loss type shake. It has been pretty common knowledge that there are supplements of this type about that do contain it. If anyone wanted to take something like that I would recommend only using a brand that has independant batch testing(HESTA, Informed Sport etc) against banned ingredients. They are easy to find and purchase in Aus, their names might not sound as impressive as "white rage" or "spazmotic" but are a much safer alternative. Anyone who takes something with a stupid power name that claims to do all sorts of amazing things is treading a fine line.

This sums it up well

https://www.asada.gov.au/news/athlete-warning-higenamine-supplements

 

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26 minutes ago, AA7 said:

whoa!

...which found that 1 in 5 supplements bought off Australian shelves contained a banned substance, whether it was listed on the label or not.....

" They found that of the 67 products, 13 contained one or more substances that are banned in sport. Importantly, none of the 13 products listed any banned substances on their ingredients list."

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7 minutes ago, Cat Lady said:

whoa!

...which found that 1 in 5 supplements bought off Australian shelves contained a banned substance, whether it was listed on the label or not.....

" They found that of the 67 products, 13 contained one or more substances that are banned in sport. Importantly, none of the 13 products listed any banned substances on their ingredients list."

Hopefully nothing in Milo. 

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3 minutes ago, AA7 said:

Hopefully nothing in Milo. 

Haha, that is always a risk, not batch tested...

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3 minutes ago, AA7 said:

Hopefully nothing in Milo. 

Assume.  But thinking Quick might have issues

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22 minutes ago, Peter said:

Assume.  But thinking Quick might have issues

Quick tastes like shit anyway. It's either Milo, or Cadbury Drinking Chocolate. :)

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2 minutes ago, A2K said:

Tang ftw.

I still can't stomach that stuff after using it as a mixer with vodka (just vodka & the powder) as a 17yr old.  :puke:

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I still can't stomach that stuff after using it as a mixer with vodka (just vodka & the powder) as a 17yr old.  :puke:

 

THE TANG SHOT
1 oz. (30ml) Vodka
1 oz. (30ml) Triple Sec
2 tsp Tang Orange Drink Mix

PREPARATION
1. Combine vodka, triple sec, and tang drink mix in a shaker with ice and shake well.
2. Strain mix into shot glass and shoot.
DRINK RESPONSIBLY!

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2 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I still can't stomach that stuff after using it as a mixer with vodka (just vodka & the powder) as a 17yr old.  :puke:

#respect

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