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How bad have things become on our roads? Our elite athletes, some of the most highly skilled and situationally aware cyclists in the world, now train predominantly indoors, and ride with pilot vehicles when they take to training outdoors!

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Ironman champ Jan Frodeno guided by a three-pointed star
14th Mar 2018 10:23 AM

OLYMPIC gold medallist and two-time world Ironman champion triathlete Jan Frodeno has an extra set of eyes on the road.

Mercedes-Benz Sunshine Coast supplied a new A200 pilot vehicle following a recent close call for the endurance superstar, who spends half of his year at Noosa with wife Emma (nee Snowsill) and their two children.

During January, Mr Frodeno was attacked by a truck driver.

"A big truck was coming out from my left and he ran over a stop sign basically as I was coming past. All I could see was these capital MACK letters coming at me. He wasn't going to stop,” Mr Frodeno said.

"I let out a scream wondering if this guy had not seen me. He missed me by not much more than a centimetre or two. I was thinking I wasn't going to see my family again.

"The guy then had the time to stop and wind down his passenger window in order to talk to me and abuse me and basically saying he was aiming for me and that I was, I quote, 'a faggot' for riding around in Lycra and I wasn't worth the air I'm breathing.

"I'd never met this guy. Who does that? It was so weird. It's this level of aggression I've seen nowhere else in the world.

"This is my job. This is what I do to feed my family. I have two cars on which I pay tax and a scooter on which I pay tax. That someone dislikes the clothing I wear to do my job is the worst argument ever. You don't go to a workplace and throw a wrecking ball at a building because you don't like hi-vis clothing. It's ridiculous.”

Mr Frodeno is an ambassador for Mercedes-Benz and Sunshine Coast dealer principal Cameron O'Hara said the pilot vehicle would help train with peace of mind.

"We are very proud to be able to assist Jan in his training by way of supplying a cycling pilot vehicle in order to keep him safe while he is riding on the roads of the Sunshine Coast,” Mr O'Hara said.

Last Saturday, Frodeno joined a peloton of Mercedes-Benz Sunshine Coast staff and clients on an exclusive 50km ride along the Coast.

"We launched the Mercedes- Benz Sunshine Coast Cycling Club as we have a number of staff and clients who are keen cyclists, they meet regularly for rides across the region and it's a real highlight for them to get out and enjoy riding together,” Mr O'Hara said.

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I wonder about the slow vehicle taking up space on the road?  Sure, if there's a cycling event and it's a safety car behind a big group.  But a car possibly traveling under the speed limit shadowing a lone cyclist, would be harder to get around for other vehicles.  I'm sure Jan travels at a different speed than I do though.

Just a thought.  

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Interesting concept, but does the car travel in front of him to try to avert the situations like the one mentioned (though it may not have), or behind him to stop cars running up the back.

Additionally, it is legal to cross double lines to overtake a cyclist, but not to overtake the slow moving car that is with him.

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Most group rides on the road in the UAE are accompanied by vehicles in front and behind. Flashers on plus lights on the roof. They carry spares and extra supplies and are used in case of emergency. They do make you feel more 'comfortable' but even with them, there are dicks on the road that will go around them and endanger riders. That's how one of my mates was run down.

Really reinforces the sense in building proper cycling tracks for riders.  

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Where I live it’s become. Mecca for cycling and cycling camps etc 

its become  the norm tohave at least one or more vehicles following the group

it makes what is allready a difficult pass with a car to try and get past a big arrogant group of riders , to a almost  impossible passing situation trying to pass 1-3 cars driven by arrogant cyclists AND a big group of arrogant and inconsiderate bike riders 

 

reallygood way to piss of the allready cranky car drivers and especially locals 

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I totally get it. He is the world champion. You don’t think groomers and back I the day lance didn’t always have a car with him?

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1 hour ago, Peter said:

I totally get it. He is the world champion. You don’t think groomers and back I the day lance didn’t always have a car with him?

For sure

ive done quite a few epic things where mrs IP has been there with me carry supply’s and support etc , but not following behind me on the road and holding up traffic 

that’s what pisses the already pissed off motorist off even more 

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I’m sure the car moves over.  

Stop trying to be the daily mirror. 

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1 hour ago, Peter said:

I’m sure the car moves over.  

 

They don’t around here 

3 support cars and a bunch is like trying to pass 2 B doubles at once , plus they ride down the greT alpine road right on peak time (between 7 and 9 am ) in the 100k zone

They never pull over , just keep on chatting awayb

Lots and lots of very unhappy campers as they are trying to get to work on time 

 

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

Stop trying to be the daily mirror. 

Haha never

thats your job around here 😉👊

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If the pay rego as long as they aren’t breaking the speed limit than can do 20 km hr. 

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Perhaps a motorcycle might be a lower impact escort (obviously with  set of hi-def cameras and a flashing orange light) :)  .

 

Oh and "ME TOO" (but all I'd need is a moped these days)

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It's not a new idea. Car following a cyclist or two is common around many places. See several around the Bellarine Peninsula most weekends. I've ridden with one of these groups and it's a good safe option and one I think more groups should think about doing. Especially if they are riding on narrow roads. 

Instead of thinking about how pissed off drivers "might " get. Think about how if car and truck drivers shared the road more with cyclists, people like Jan wouldn't have to go to the extent of having a safety vehicle so he can do his job.

dont bother throwing the arrogant dickhead cyclist argument on here, there's dickhead arrogant drivers as well. Sorting out this lot will take time. By having safety vehicles following cycling groups, it's making the problem more visible. It's more than likely the first step of many, in resolving the war on our roads.

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4 hours ago, Peter said:

If the pay rego as long as they aren’t breaking the speed limit than can do 20 km hr. 

True 

But it’s not seen to be the right thing to be doing though, if “we” all want to get along 

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41 minutes ago, Greyman said:

safety vehicles following cycling groups, it's making the problem more visible. It's more than likely the first step of many, in resolving the war on our roads.

 

That’s bazaar 

so to make things better you do something that makes the problem worse , By holding up  more traffic and causing more disruption on the roads so then pisses even more of the haters off 

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28 minutes ago, ironpo said:

True 

But it’s not seen to be the right thing to be doing though, if “we” all want to get along 

You clearly don’t spent time in Sydney or Melbourne where people now stare at phones crossing roads and only care about themselves. 

The time of getting alone ended about 2 yrs ago. 

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9 hours ago, ironpo said:

Where I live it’s become. Mecca for cycling and cycling camps etc 

its become  the norm tohave at least one or more vehicles following the group

it makes what is allready a difficult pass with a car to try and get past a big arrogant group of riders , to a almost  impossible passing situation trying to pass 1-3 cars driven by arrogant cyclists AND a big group of arrogant and inconsiderate bike riders 

 

reallygood way to piss of the allready cranky car drivers and especially locals 

Ironically, one of the reasons that Bright has such amazing restaurants, cafés, walking paths, sports, wineries etc is tourism. A large part of the that is the summer cyclists. Can't eat your cake and have it too. 😉

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8 hours ago, The Customer said:

Ironically, one of the reasons that Bright has such amazing restaurants, cafés, walking paths, sports, wineries etc is tourism. A large part of the that is the summer cyclists. Can't eat your cake and have it too. 😉

By the way 

the situation I’ve posted doesn’t particularly bother me ,just useing it as an example  , I don’t ride on the rode so I don’t get the hate from drivers ,that is being cause by arrogant cyclists,generally don’t get held up by the said groups , and I’m not complaining to the local paper , posting on community FB page or making it an issue at the local council meetings like many locals are

 

As a person who have lived here for 40 years and like most gets employment from the visitors and growth of the town you would think I now what your saying , it’s fairly obvious 

you also obviously hAvnt been here for a while , EVERY  weekend is mayhem these days but that’s mostly due to the massive growth of  MTB riders , built on the back of the hero trail , these folks don’t ride on the road apart from to and from the trail head or shuttles 

 

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9 hours ago, Peter said:

You clearly don’t spent time in Sydney or Melbourne where people now stare at phones crossing roads and only care about themselves. 

 

Haha

its here too mate  espually when those syd and Melb folk are here chocking up the town on long weekends and holidays 

I was running with mrs IP yesterday along the rail trail and we where run into by a women and here 3 yr old on a bike as she was totally unaware of her situation while she stareing at her ph 

lucky she did run into us as there was a major  Rd just 10 m ahead of her so she would have just let the kid ride straight into the busy road and who knows what would have happened 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, ironpo said:

Haha

its here too mate  espually when those syd and Melb folk are here chocking up the town on long weekends and holidays 

I was running with mrs IP yesterday along the rail trail and we where run into by a women and here 3 yr old on a bike as she was totally unaware of her situation while she stareing at her ph 

lucky she did run into us as there was a major  Rd just 10 m ahead of her so she would have just let the kid ride straight into the busy road and who knows what would have happened 

 

 

 

At least they would have reached the next level on pokemon go...

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Overall I find drivers and overall driver behaviour around Bright and the mountains the best and most friendly anywhere I ride. Good part of those drivers are tourists,  not just locals. It's helped by the rail trail, means many cyclists can stay of the busy Great Alpine Road into Bright, although most of the road bunches seem to take the road. Road up Mt Buffalo is wide enough cars can usually pass easily enough and as a non-through road just less cars.  GAR up to Mt Hotham and on to Omeo in busy periods different story, including quite a few  big 4wds with trailers and caravans, and I tend not to ride up there on busy days.

I (only) get up to Bright/Mt Beauty a few weeks a year, and  haven't seen the bunches with support/safety cars yet, but not sure why in that area people think they are needed. Dont think there is increase in accidents or reports of incidents? The worst incident I've had was a group of hang glider pilots who overtook me on a corner up Mt Buffalo shaving way too close, who after I shouted gave the next rider ahead plenty of room.

Yes, cycling a boon for the area in general,. But bound to annoy drivers when they can't get past, and I can see locals getting annoyed going over, e.g. Tawonga Gap (although I was glad to see  speed limit reduced).   I  would hate to see mood sour. Perhaps there needs to be an etiquette, which runs both ways.

 

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24 minutes ago, ironpo said:

By the way 

the situation I’ve posted doesn’t particularly bother me ,just useing it as an example  , I don’t ride on the rode so I don’t get the hate from drivers ,that is being cause by arrogant cyclists,generally don’t get held up by the said groups , and I’m not complaining to the local paper , posting on community FB page or making it an issue at the local council meetings like many locals are

 

As a person who have lived here for 40 years and like most gets employment from the visitors and growth of the town you would think I now what your saying , it’s fairly obvious 

you also obviously hAvnt been here for a while , EVERY  weekend is mayhem these days but that’s mostly due to the massive growth of  MTB riders , built on the back of the hero trail , these folks don’t ride on the road apart from to and from the trail head or shuttles 

 

I was there for a cycling holiday exactly 1 year ago. It's even more beautiful than ever and the quality of cafés and town assets have improved greatly. Business is obviously thriving there.

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IP - As a local - you are suggesting not to start riding until after 9am? (if riding on the road)
Currently turning up somewhere near you on Sunday for the week, and planning on bring the bike, assuming my foot wants to comply.

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2 hours ago, ironpo said:

By the way 

the situation I’ve posted doesn’t particularly bother me ,just useing it as an example  , I don’t ride on the rode 

 

No wonder they get angry. Look at this guy sitting in the middle of the road 

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1 hour ago, dazaau said:

enough about hotham and buffalo and bright. It is making me very unsatisfied with my life :lol: 

never mind.  If you lived there you'd only ride indoors. 

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14 hours ago, ironpo said:

 

That’s bazaar 

so to make things better you do something that makes the problem worse , By holding up  more traffic and causing more disruption on the roads so then pisses even more of the haters off 

Not only that but for roads which are single lane the support car is adding extra distance that a car behind needs in order to overtake........ That makes the drivers behind anxious and impatient and those drivers cause accidents and make silly decisions.

 

Plus imagine Sydney traffic with approx 1000 support cars all around the place on a Saturday/Sunday morning. 

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4 hours ago, ironpo said:

 

the situation I’ve posted doesn’t particularly bother me ,just useing it as an example  , I don’t ride on the rode so I don’t get the hate from drivers ,that is being cause by arrogant cyclists,generally don’t get held up by the said groups , and I’m not complaining to the local paper , posting on community FB page or making it an issue at the local council meetings like many locals are

 

As a person who have lived here for 40 years and like most gets employment from the visitors and growth of the town you would think I now what your saying , it’s fairly obvious 

you also obviously hAvnt been here for a while , EVERY  weekend is mayhem these days but that’s mostly due to the massive growth of  MTB riders , built on the back of the hero trail , these folks don’t ride on the road apart from to and from the trail head or shuttles 

 

 

Can you post a link to the article in the local paper, or scan the article? 

Had a quick flick through Alpine Shire council meeting agendas. Do you know which meeting it was brought up at? General business?

If I lived there, and I'd like to in summer (winter just too cold!), I'd get involved in the issue :)

The lobbying of local councils along Beach Rd was instrumental in getting them to agree to a clearway up to 10am on Sat and Sun mornings. Which overall is an excellent thing, as the thousands of cyclists every morning would attest, including the new lots encouraged by the increased safety, But boy some locals were - justifiably - really annoyed.

So is it the MTBers mostly riding on the road to/from trails causing the problem? Not roadies?

The few triathletes on TT bikes seem be riding solo or pairs, so it isn't them :)

When I was in the area over summer one long weekend the MTB car traffic to Falls Creek was enormous. Some major race was on. Mostly 4WDs and utes, and even though they are cyclists and usually gave plenty of space, they are big vehicles and if something coming the other way can get squeezy.  There also seems to be a minor hoon element amongst some of them, perhaps that's just the downhillers :)

Overall I guess it is why gravel road riding is/has really taking/taken off

 

 

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If I ever win the lotto. I would have someone riding near the bunch on a 50cc scooter with spare wheels, water bottles & food.

I would never change a flat tyre again.

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33 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

If I ever win the lotto. I would have someone riding near the bunch on a 50cc scooter with spare wheels, water bottles & food.

I would never change a flat tyre again.

I absolutely agree.  

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Would you get someone to ride the bike for you? :)

I would always change my own tyres and do my own bike maintenance. Reckon it is part of the zen of riding.

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1 hour ago, longshot said:

Would you get someone to ride the bike for you? :)

I would always change my own tyres and do my own bike maintenance. Reckon it is part of the zen of riding.

Nope, I would ride the bike. I would also have an accounnt at the coffee shop so the team/regular bunch ride ppl never have to pay for coffee & donuts.

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22 hours ago, Peter said:

If the pay rego as long as they aren’t breaking the speed limit than can do 20 km hr. 

According to the rules that's for the Police and the courts to decide.

"Under Australian Road Rule 125, a driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another vehicle.

However, ‘obstruct’ doesn’t just mean the other car is driving slower than you. Rather, they’d need to be travelling abnormally slowly.

But what exactly is ‘abnormally’ slow?

Well that would be for the police and courts to assess depending on the circumstances. However, the road rules do provide one example –driving 20km/h in an 80km/h zone without reason would be classed as abnormal.

A good tip to remember here is that drivers travelling below the speed limit should be aware of traffic build-up behind them and provide opportunities for that traffic to pass.

Indeed, under section 45 of the road rules, it’s an offence to drive without reasonable consideration for other road users"

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So the car tailing Jan is doing so in consideration of the cyclist (Frodo).

Maybe waiting for enough room and it safe to pass.  However the driver believes it's never safe to pass.

Its all in how you look at the rule.

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I’ve occasionally noticed a large 40+ rider group wearing a red & black kit (not Red Dog) riding with a police motorcycle escort. They don’t seem to receive too much abuse from motorists they may hold up. The motorcycle cop even rides ahead and shepherds them through busy intersections so the bunch isn’t split up by traffic lights changing.

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21 hours ago, ironpo said:

 

That’s bazaar 

so to make things better you do something that makes the problem worse , By holding up  more traffic and causing more disruption on the roads so then pisses even more of the haters off 

Not bizarre,  it's left field thinking. Consider the direct opposite action and that is to take bikes off the road completely. As I said, it's the first step in ending this war on the roads. Sometimes people with less brain Cells need an example of how things could be worse before discussing making things better. To date, none of the initiatives used have worked. The message hasn't got through to drivers. Short of enforcing longer jail time for killing a cyclist, what can we do?

So everyone, what are your suggestions? And tell us how you see them working. 

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