willie 1,335 Report post Posted February 7 If this is true I don't quite understand... he's never near that kinda speed racing so what's the point in smashing them out so fast? Especially for IM. I'm not knocking it, just thought you might know why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limited 149 Report post Posted February 7 Didn’t he run 1:06 in the 70.3 world champs. That’s not too much slower than 3min kms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,754 Report post Posted February 7 Its interesting in an interview woth ryan hall on the forward podcast he said they never went threshold. Just under. So you can improve. If they went above threshold, they would lose the top end speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willie 1,335 Report post Posted February 7 18 minutes ago, Peter said: Its interesting in an interview woth ryan hall on the forward podcast he said they never went threshold. Just under. So you can improve. If they went above threshold, they would lose the top end speed. I guess I coach a little like that, the less is more approach with intensity, my guys and girls barely ever go over threshold as well. Takes too long to recover. I think Frodo ran 1.06 but I also think that course wasn't spot on either, 450m short (from memory). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RunBrettRun 2,232 Report post Posted February 7 Looks like a good 70.3 set. Pace looks right from some of his race results Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dazaau 197 Report post Posted February 7 Because he can 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarryBevan 788 Report post Posted February 7 Love the workout do it just at low 4 s high 3 s and 10 repeats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goughy 3,193 Report post Posted February 7 Remember too Willie, I'm guessing most of the people you coach probably had to go to work after your session, or had just finished work, or something to that effect? He probably had a massage or a nap or something? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prizna 706 Report post Posted February 7 Or Frodo knows what he is doing and Willie just thinks he knows 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarryBevan 788 Report post Posted February 7 Frodo is int he discussion for greatest ever and I like many would turn for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willie 1,335 Report post Posted February 7 35 minutes ago, goughy said: Remember too Willie, I'm guessing most of the people you coach probably had to go to work after your session, or had just finished work, or something to that effect? He probably had a massage or a nap or something? Yes, all except 2. And I don't forget that. But it's a genuine interest cause that's a very hard set knowing you're backing up swimming etc 6 minutes ago, prizna said: Or Frodo knows what he is doing and Willie just thinks he knows I don't think I know, which is why I put it up here. I found it interesting and or peaked my interest. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
softy 176 Report post Posted February 7 We are all different....if he can do '5 x 1km with 90sec rest starting in 3:05s and ending under 2:55s. Average around 3:00.' to become (Olympic Triathlon Champion, 2 time World Half Ironman Champion, 2 time World Ironman Champion), it works for him. Keep doing it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naut 642 Report post Posted February 7 15 hours ago, Peter said: Its interesting in an interview woth ryan hall on the forward podcast he said they never went threshold. Just under. So you can improve. If they went above threshold, they would lose the top end speed. Was listening to that on the way to work. Wasn't it Armstrong saying that he did the majority of his training just below lactate threshold? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,754 Report post Posted February 7 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Naut said: Was listening to that on the way to work. Wasn't it Armstrong saying that he did the majority of his training just below lactate threshold? Yeah. Seems to work okay for him and his team for 7 years. Edited February 7 by Peter 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimG 53 Report post Posted February 8 Speaking of training, check out Jan's response to a recent Pete Jacob's tweet...and Pete's response back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zed 1,266 Report post Posted February 8 And now he has a stress fracture... I know at least 10 people that have had stress fractures over the last few years, leg, back etc and the culprit is hard intervals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RunBrettRun 2,232 Report post Posted February 8 7 minutes ago, TimG said: Speaking of training, check out Jan's response to a recent Pete Jacob's tweet...and Pete's response back. Have you got a screen shot I can't see anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RunBrettRun 2,232 Report post Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, zed said: And now he has a stress fracture... I know at least 10 people that have had stress fractures over the last few years, leg, back etc and the culprit is hard intervals. I think that's a bit of a generalisation mate and there is so much more to it than that. Hard intervals won't hurt you if you build up appropriately, limit the amount you do on really hard surfaces (concrete), have good shoes, good form with no weaknesses and also pace them correctly. If you're in week 3 of a build, have done fark all running and blast out the gates doing a 3:30 1st km in a 6x1km set and finish the last one in 4:45 cause you've completely blown up and your form has gone to shit then I'd suggest that is the reason for injures and not the hard effort itself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xblane 299 Report post Posted February 8 7 minutes ago, RunBrettRun said: Have you got a screen shot I can't see anything 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xblane 299 Report post Posted February 8 1 minute ago, RunBrettRun said: ... If you're in week 3 of a build, have done fark all running and blast out the gates doing a 3:30 1st km in a 6x1km set and finish the last one in 4:45 cause you've completely blown up and your form has gone to shit... Ah, to run 4:45 after blowing up 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RunBrettRun 2,232 Report post Posted February 8 would it be fairer if I said you ran interval 1 in X:XX and the last interval in x:xx + 1:15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zed 1,266 Report post Posted February 8 30 minutes ago, RunBrettRun said: I think that's a bit of a generalisation mate and there is so much more to it than that. Hard intervals won't hurt you if you build up appropriately, limit the amount you do on really hard surfaces (concrete), have good shoes, good form with no weaknesses and also pace them correctly. If you're in week 3 of a build, have done fark all running and blast out the gates doing a 3:30 1st km in a 6x1km set and finish the last one in 4:45 cause you've completely blown up and your form has gone to shit then I'd suggest that is the reason for injures and not the hard effort itself. yeah true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bRace 79 Report post Posted February 8 59 minutes ago, xblane said: Sorry, I don't really follow along with much social media, but are PJ and Frodeno mates just taking the piss out of each other, or is there ill feeling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goughy 3,193 Report post Posted February 8 We need more of the conversation to really understand the context? Need to know what comment Jan was replying too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,754 Report post Posted February 8 They aren't mates. And what's Jacobs training for? Another DNF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roxii 5,607 Report post Posted February 8 Just now, Peter said: They aren't mates. And what's Jacobs training for? Another DNF? Doing Huski. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimG 53 Report post Posted February 8 (edited) Sorry, I was being deliberately lazy, I didn't want to have to take a screen shot Edited February 8 by TimG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dazaau 197 Report post Posted February 8 I think Jan is onto something. Although trannies would have suggested a pie... Or maybe a donut? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkie 895 Report post Posted February 8 3 hours ago, RunBrettRun said: I think that's a bit of a generalisation mate and there is so much more to it than that. Agreed. I think short hard intervals are fantastic when used properly like any kind of run training. You can equally cause yourself an injury by doing a 3 hour long run when you're not ready for it and dragging your arse around the last 30 mins with terrible form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,239 Report post Posted February 8 Can someone explain to me me what 'threshold' means in terms of running. Is it the pace you can hold for xx minutes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,824 Report post Posted February 8 4 hours ago, roxii said: Doing Huski. Mixing it up with a DNS (see other thread) instead of a DNF. Well played PJ . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roxii 5,607 Report post Posted February 8 21 minutes ago, Bored@work said: Mixing it up with a DNS (see other thread) instead of a DNF. Well played PJ . huh? Which thread? Elite energy had it on Facebook today that PJ was racing!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,824 Report post Posted February 8 6 minutes ago, roxii said: huh? Which thread? Elite energy had it on Facebook today that PJ was racing!! Isn’t the husky event in doubt in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xblane 299 Report post Posted February 8 I think he is saying Husky will be a DNS for everyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roxii 5,607 Report post Posted February 8 Ahhhh. Sorty bit slow this arvo. Maybr check the council submissions and see if one of the “against” ones is from a mr. Jacobs of Noosa 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,754 Report post Posted February 8 Jacobs all good for husky. Has a vegan cafe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,824 Report post Posted February 8 Did I mention I’m vegan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,754 Report post Posted February 8 9 minutes ago, Bored@work said: Did I mention I’m vegan? Next you’ll be dnfing races. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,239 Report post Posted February 8 23 minutes ago, Bored@work said: Did I mention I’m vegan? You're not a real vegan until you get a virtue signalling t-shirt informing the rest of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 229 Report post Posted February 8 2 hours ago, FatPom said: You're not a real vegan until you get a virtue signalling t-shirt informing the rest of us. Not a scratch n sniff one .... 😷 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkie 895 Report post Posted February 8 5 hours ago, FatPom said: Can someone explain to me me what 'threshold' means in terms of running. Is it the pace you can hold for xx minutes? Yup. Either Threshold HR or Threshold Pace. Threshold Pace is your running equivalent of FTP so how fast you can go for 60 mins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,239 Report post Posted February 8 15 minutes ago, monkie said: Yup. Either Threshold HR or Threshold Pace. Threshold Pace is your running equivalent of FTP so how fast you can go for 60 mins. Cheers mate, i was assuming something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick777 161 Report post Posted February 8 On 08/02/2019 at 8:27 AM, softy said: We are all different....if he can do '5 x 1km with 90sec rest starting in 3:05s and ending under 2:55s. Average around 3:00.' to become (Olympic Triathlon Champion, 2 time World Half Ironman Champion, 2 time World Ironman Champion), it works for him. Keep doing it. Yep, amazing what some can do. Seb Coe's long run pace was 3.30 per k. I thought it sounded sus until I realised he could run 1500m in 3.30. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob 133 Report post Posted February 9 A 10km run off the bike in an Olympic Distance Triathlon usually relates to standalone Half Marathon pace (probably a little different in draft legal). In his ITU days, Frodeno seemed easily capable of running 29m30s off the bike -> 2m57s pace. So if we estimate 3m05s to be his Half Marathon pace and 2m55s to be his standalone 10km race pace, the speed of his intervals no longer seem that fast. Also, don't think of the intervals being 1km. More accurate to see them as 3 min efforts with 90 sec recovery. Although the 15 repeats is more than an amateur / age grouper would do. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BogFrog 450 Report post Posted February 9 10 hours ago, Rob said: A 10km run off the bike in an Olympic Distance Triathlon usually relates to standalone Half Marathon pace ... Would you say this is accurate for an age grouper too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-Hasbeen 6,477 Report post Posted February 9 58 minutes ago, BogFrog said: Would you say this is accurate for an age grouper too? My HM should have been about 5 minutes faster by that standard, so I was a bit faster over the shorter distance. I would probably put that down to never doing any long running training back then though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Go Easy 1,556 Report post Posted February 9 8 hours ago, BogFrog said: Would you say this is accurate for an age grouper too? It varies from person to person but it is often referred to as a guide. Personally my run times off bike were nearly always quicker than my standalone runs - over any distance. But I'm weird and never had much top end speed on the run anyway. I put it down to either being properly warmed up, the increased leg cadence on the bike transferring to the run, and/or the extra buzz (mojo) I get from racing the tail end of a triathlon where I'm usually passing people due to my poor swimming at the start! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BogFrog 450 Report post Posted February 9 Interesting... my tri 10k is 10 secs slower per km than my HM run. But I guess I train my run, not my tri... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willie 1,335 Report post Posted February 10 6 hours ago, Go Easy said: It varies from person to person but it is often referred to as a guide. Personally my run times off bike were nearly always quicker than my standalone runs - over any distance. But I'm weird and never had much top end speed on the run anyway. I put it down to either being properly warmed up, the increased leg cadence on the bike transferring to the run, and/or the extra buzz (mojo) I get from racing the tail end of a triathlon where I'm usually passing people due to my poor swimming at the start! Tail end? Please... I'll take tail end to race as well as you have over the years. Not to be rude, but I don't think you were ever a 'runner', you run well but not 'fast'. I haven't met many people that slow down as little on the run as you (pretty sure the longer it gets the better you place as well). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MackaEvo2 93 Report post Posted February 10 I don't believe Pete Jacobs is Vegan. I think he tried it for a few months like he has everything else. Frodo, Patrick Lange and Sanders I believe are all veg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
