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So..the age old question – DI2 v Mechanical for TT bike.

I’m going to buy a new TT bike this year at some point. My bike fit calls for a Trek Speed Concept  as its one of the most adjustable bikes on the market. My independent bike fitter has highly recommended this bike ,  with a Canyon Speedmax being the second in line.

Unfortunately, its also incredibly expensive compared to most other brands. Somewhat annoyingly Trek are terrible for publishing prices. Hence why I'm turning to the experts here to decide for me! :)

I’d had hoped for a DI2 enabled bike but budget may restrict that back to good ol mechanical. But wondering if its worth waiting slightly longer and saving for the DI2 upgrade? Keep in mind I usually only race a few tris a year, but am targeting Sunny Coast 70.3 this year and want to go fast and in comfort.

Trek’s ‘project one’ interface brings the price for ultegra DI2 bike at something nearing $8K!

So come at me Trannies – is DI2 still worth it?

Also – if anyone here owns a Speed Concept frame – are they upgradeable to DI2 even if I went the mechanical route?

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Wait if u have to and get di2 

The ability to change gears  while climbing or jumping out of a turn around is worth it just in itself 

let alone the amazing reliability and sensational smooth  gear changing 

di2 just works and is super 

 

also u don’t have to go project one on the speed concept 

just find one with di2 in a shop and do a deal 

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38 minutes ago, dazmuzza said:

So..the age old question – DI2 v Mechanical for TT bike.

I’m going to buy a new TT bike this year at some point. My bike fit calls for a Trek Speed Concept  as its one of the most adjustable bikes on the market. My independent bike fitter has highly recommended this bike ,  with a Canyon Speedmax being the second in line.

Unfortunately, its also incredibly expensive compared to most other brands. Somewhat annoyingly Trek are terrible for publishing prices. Hence why I'm turning to the experts here to decide for me! :)

I’d had hoped for a DI2 enabled bike but budget may restrict that back to good ol mechanical. But wondering if its worth waiting slightly longer and saving for the DI2 upgrade? Keep in mind I usually only race a few tris a year, but am targeting Sunny Coast 70.3 this year and want to go fast and in comfort.

Trek’s ‘project one’ interface brings the price for ultegra DI2 bike at something nearing $8K!

So come at me Trannies – is DI2 still worth it?

Also – if anyone here owns a Speed Concept frame – are they upgradeable to DI2 even if I went the mechanical route?

 Thanks all!

who did your fit?

Speed concepts usually come up as one of the fastest bikes out there and the adjust ability is a big feature.  About 6 months ago there were a lot of the lower spec speed concepts getting cleared out for just under 3k. I figured if you could pick up the di2 parts cheaply over time  you could probably get a di2 bike for well under 4500. I asked a shop at the time and they indicated that the frames were able to take cable or mechanical. 

I noticed recently that they dont seem to have each model priced separately which implies they are probably moving more towards doing most of their stuff via project one..

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Can you afford it. Do you want it ? 

If yes, then get it. 

If you are 50/50 & have better things to drop the coin on get mechanical. 

You might save 1min over an Ironman on a hilly course. (Not that there is any in Australia) 

Plenty of pros still rocking mechanical group sets 

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1 hour ago, rory-dognz said:

you can get a Canyon with di2 for $6549, looking at their website

Yeah, I know...but its not as adjustable as the speed concept unfortunately :( If I can't find a Speed Concept that fits my budget, I'll be going the Canyon.

 

13 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

Plenty of pros still rocking mechanical group sets 

Good feedback. I'll try check in with a local shop and see what their range was. Like you say, I guess I could start with a mechanical fitout and if I'm still keen, upgrade it to DI2. 

My bike fit was done by Bike Fit studio at West End in Bris.

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Fly to adelaide to see b@w and Durianrider and pick this up for $1500 below what everyone else is selling for.

https://www.bikeexchange.com.au/a/triathlon-time-trial-bikes/trek/sa/adelaide/trek-speed-concept/104435871

Might cost 1500 for the di2 parts if you buy them new online...

would work out cheapish, 

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1 hour ago, pieman said:

Fly to adelaide to see b@w and Durianrider and pick this up for $1500 below what everyone else is selling for.

https://www.bikeexchange.com.au/a/triathlon-time-trial-bikes/trek/sa/adelaide/trek-speed-concept/104435871

Might cost 1500 for the di2 parts if you buy them new online...

would work out cheapish, 

I can probably get you an extra 10% off that price.

we can then ride Norton Summit / lofty & down to the bay before heading into the city for a coffee & donuts. 

p.s I noticed a E TAP upgrade on Facebook for $1500 :) 

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3 hours ago, Oscarjane said:

I have a Speed Concept with DI2. Love love love my bike. 

Yes worth the money. 

 

me too. Every time a Speed Concept with mechanical is sold, a baby panda dies.

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I spent a lot on a new bike last year. Got di2 and when I got the bike the gears were only on the bars. Ended up having to spend another $500 to get the upgrade to have them on the brakes too. 

I think I wasted my money on the di2, but if you go there, make sure you're getting the full package. Changing gears when cornering on coming out of a turn is pretty handy

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6 minutes ago, BogFrog said:

I spent a lot on a new bike last year. Got di2 and when I got the bike the gears were only on the bars. Ended up having to spend another $500 to get the upgrade to have them on the brakes too. 

I think I wasted my money on the di2, but if you go there, make sure you're getting the full package. Changing gears when cornering on coming out of a turn is pretty handy

Was that on a P5? I have a P5 and it drives me insane how there aren't shifters on the base bars...but cant bring myself to spend the money for the fix...

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6 minutes ago, more said:

Was that on a P5? I have a P5 and it drives me insane how there aren't shifters on the base bars...but cant bring myself to spend the money for the fix...

P2 -$500.. worth the fix IMO - all in, or all out

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4 hours ago, BogFrog said:

P2 -$500.. worth the fix IMO - all in, or all out

Yeah I guess you are right, where did you get it done and how did they do it (sorry for thread derail..)

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Your local lbs should go it as long as they can order in the parts - ie a lbs who sells cervelo...  they just changed the brakes and wired her up... park bikes in Sydney did mine

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2 hours ago, BogFrog said:

Your local lbs should go it as long as they can order in the parts - ie a lbs who sells cervelo...  they just changed the brakes and wired her up... park bikes in Sydney did mine

You cant do it to a P5 due to the stupid hydro brakes

some folks have fitted satellite shift buttons but not reliable in the rain and have caused many issues and a re a major pita  to fit

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19 hours ago, BogFrog said:

P2 -$500.. worth the fix IMO - all in, or all out

The worst thing is most of the pics of DI2 bikes online have the shifters in both spots which is blatant false representation...

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1 hour ago, ironpo said:

You cant do it to a P5 due to the stupid hydro brakes

some folks have fitted satellite shift buttons but not reliable in the rain and have caused many issues and a re a major pita  to fit

Yeah everything I've read involves cutting, splicing and bodgying to a fair degree...so bloody stupid..Imagine spending $10k+ on a bike that you then had to do some half arsed backyard bodgy on just to change gears on the base bars...crazy...

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4 hours ago, more said:

Yeah everything I've read involves cutting, splicing and bodgying to a fair degree...so bloody stupid..Imagine spending $10k+ on a bike that you then had to do some half arsed backyard bodgy on just to change gears on the base bars...crazy...

yep

 

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7 hours ago, ironpo said:

You cant do it to a P5 due to the stupid hydro brakes

some folks have fitted satellite shift buttons but not reliable in the rain and have caused many issues and a re a major pita  to fit

P5 disc solves that 😎

 

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On 23/01/2019 at 2:57 PM, dazmuzza said:

So..the age old question – DI2 v Mechanical for TT bike.

I’m going to buy a new TT bike this year at some point. My bike fit calls for a Trek Speed Concept  as its one of the most adjustable bikes on the market. My independent bike fitter has highly recommended this bike ,  with a Canyon Speedmax being the second in line.

Unfortunately, its also incredibly expensive compared to most other brands. Somewhat annoyingly Trek are terrible for publishing prices. Hence why I'm turning to the experts here to decide for me! :)

I’d had hoped for a DI2 enabled bike but budget may restrict that back to good ol mechanical. But wondering if its worth waiting slightly longer and saving for the DI2 upgrade? Keep in mind I usually only race a few tris a year, but am targeting Sunny Coast 70.3 this year and want to go fast and in comfort.

Trek’s ‘project one’ interface brings the price for ultegra DI2 bike at something nearing $8K!

So come at me Trannies – is DI2 still worth it?

Also – if anyone here owns a Speed Concept frame – are they upgradeable to DI2 even if I went the mechanical route?

 Thanks all!

I see Trek doing an update of the speed concept in the near future.
I personally would either wait or look on the second hand marketplace. You can get a speed concept for about 3k with ultegra mechanical. 

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On 23/01/2019 at 2:57 PM, dazmuzza said:

So..the age old question – DI2 v Mechanical for TT bike.

I’m going to buy a new TT bike this year at some point. My bike fit calls for a Trek Speed Concept  as its one of the most adjustable bikes on the market. My independent bike fitter has highly recommended this bike ,  with a Canyon Speedmax being the second in line.

 

Hi, 

I have heard they are very adaptable also but I hadnt seen one in the flesh until yesterday and apart from moving bars fore/aft to change reach it didnt look that adjustable at all?

The width of the aerobars does not seem adjustable as you are stuck with the width that the fork shaped mono extension comes in? 

If you are a larger shouldered guy then you might struggle to get comfy with the bars so narrow..

 

 

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Just got my first bike with electronic gears (Dura Ace di2), not that impressed. I've done a few big hills rides and it's been OK, but for the cost, not worth it IMO. 

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27 minutes ago, zed said:

Just got my first bike with electronic gears (Dura Ace di2), not that impressed. I've done a few big hills rides and it's been OK, but for the cost, not worth it IMO. 

the fact you don't need to get it serviced is worth it though :) Personally I'm too cheap to pay the premium for Di2 (they're generally $1500 more than the mechanically equivalent) and still use mechanical, I know how to build and service it though so makes it east. 

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29 minutes ago, zed said:

Just got my first bike with electronic gears (Dura Ace di2), not that impressed. I've done a few big hills rides and it's been OK, but for the cost, not worth it IMO. 

Yeah, I wouldn't bother.  I only get my bikes serviced once a year at the most anyway.

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9 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

Yeah, I wouldn't bother.  I only get my bikes serviced once a year at the most anyway.

😮 I service mine every 6-8 weeks and rebuild it every year. 

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I don't know why, ignorance on my part, but I assumed electronic gearing meant that gear shifts would be better when going up hill with lots of pressure on the crank, not so..... same problem. 

I've only just downloaded E-tube so will have a tinker with that and put in full synchro mode.

I can't get it to connect to my Edge 520, do I need the additional EW-WU111 wireless unit?

 

 

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6 minutes ago, zed said:

I can't get it to connect to my Edge 520, do I need the additional EW-WU111 wireless unit?

Correct. It won't talk to the Garmin without it.

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After 4 years on DI2 my only prob has been forgetting to charge the battery (it lasts for months and the warning LED is out of sight under the aero bars and other cockpit toys).

Never had to adjust a thing.

Works a treat with the cross across XTR/Ultegra & DA as well (custom built recumbent racing trike)

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I have the Di2 on the tri bike and love being able to shift gears on the base bar. Especially on the hills.

Don't have a Di2 on the roadie and don't see the need to have them, other than the cool sounds of electronic shifting.

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8 hours ago, trifun said:

After 4 years on DI2 my only prob has been forgetting to charge the battery (it lasts for months and the warning LED is out of sight under the aero bars and other cockpit toys).

Never had to adjust a thing.

Works a treat with the cross across XTR/Ultegra & DA as well (custom built recumbent racing trike)

A recumbent?  Please start a thread & tell us about it, Im curious. Pics too pleeeeaaaase 🙄😊

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So to update you all who've been following this thread with anticipation :D I ended up buying a Speed Concept....but with mechanical. Got it on a deal with 15% BUPA discount. Plan is to buy the parts to eventually upgrade to DI2. Doing it this way, though more hassle, will mean I save about $3K on the project one price. 

 

The bike is truly beautiful by the way. I LOVE those Bontrager aero bars. So much nicer than my old Giant Trinity.

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26 minutes ago, dazmuzza said:

So to update you all who've been following this thread with anticipation :D I ended up buying a Speed Concept....but with mechanical. Got it on a deal with 15% BUPA discount. Plan is to buy the parts to eventually upgrade to DI2. Doing it this way, though more hassle, will mean I save about $3K on the project one price. 

 

The bike is truly beautiful by the way. I LOVE those Bontrager aero bars. So much nicer than my old Giant Trinity.

Pics or it didn't happen

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29 minutes ago, dazmuzza said:

So to update you all who've been following this thread with anticipation :D I ended up buying a Speed Concept....but with mechanical. Got it on a deal with 15% BUPA discount. Plan is to buy the parts to eventually upgrade to DI2. Doing it this way, though more hassle, will mean I save about $3K on the project one price. 

 

The bike is truly beautiful by the way. I LOVE those Bontrager aero bars. So much nicer than my old Giant Trinity.

Good to see you followed my advice on this thread (buy mechanical and upgrade) and your speed concept thread (bupa discount)... 😋

 

Wish I could follow my own advice.. where'd you buy from and was discount off RRP or ticket price? 

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1 hour ago, pieman said:

Wish I could follow my own advice.. where'd you buy from and was discount off RRP or ticket price? 

Bought it from Rival Bikes in Brisbane. Good local shop and the owner even did some quick adjustments based off my fit to save me the hassle. That's great service.

Discount was off the RRP. They did have a different (lower) ticket price, but with the discount it still ended up cheaper than what it was on sale. Discount also applied to all the accessories I bought at the same time so made it doubly good - picked up the aero box and the top tube feed box at the same time. I feel like I got a good deal. 

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On 16/11/2019 at 5:40 PM, dazmuzza said:

'Ere it is. Black on Black. 

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Have you given it much saddle time? How are you finding it?

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It's been mostly on the trainer but I've raced it twice in sprint races and its niiiiiiccccceeee.

Glad now I didnt' spend the extra on DI2. Will make way more sense to upgrade later (when my budget recovers). 

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7 minutes ago, dazmuzza said:

It's been mostly on the trainer but I've raced it twice in sprint races and its niiiiiiccccceeee.

Glad now I didnt' spend the extra on DI2. Will make way more sense to upgrade later (when my budget recovers). 

Nice.

Yeah I have a DI2 groupset from my roadie that will be transplanted so I will need to buy the tt stuff for that but shouldn't be too much of a $$ impact. There are a tonne of DI2 parts on FB at the moment but bad timing if your wallet is still recovering..

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