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I have been thinking lately that after 15 years in the sport I have been extremely lucky with injuries. Or maybe having a long break after Ironman racing has been good for my body. I normally take a month or two after an Ironman off, eat donuts (put on 8ish kg) and enjoy time with my family. I then start back with cycling only for a month or two before I pick a race and get going again.  Is this the key to a long career in IM racing? Getting the balance right? 

Injuries 

- one minor muscle strain in my lower leg before Ironman WA

Accidents 

- ripped the toe nail of my big toe trying to get a flipper on 

-crashed bike on a decent (skin off / no broken bones) 

- crashed bike broken elbow 

So after 15 years in the sport & 20 IM races I think that's a  good record. 

 

How long have you been racing & how man injuries? How long a break do you have after Ironman?

 

 

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I got into triathlon after too many injuries from rugby and running on its own. It's been amazing and apart from niggles that I go to the physio about because it's covered on my private health I've had nothing that's stopped me training for more than a day other than illness etc.

 

 

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Can't answer the question re break after Ironman really.  I did IMNZ 2012 (which was cut to a half IM) and haven't raced since, so I guess my break is coming up to 7 years hahahaha

I really only started racing in 2006-ish and last race was as above.

In terms of injuries etc:

Crash off bike resulted in grade 4 displacement to AC, buggered rotator cuff and a tear in the Labrum (sp?). Resulted in shoulder re-co and have a piece of hamstring in my shoulder holding it all together

Crash off bike and cracked my elbow. No surgery but long recovery and still bugs me today

Ongoing issue with lower right leg. Shins (is that the Soleus muscle?) in particular with extreme tightness and soreness. Thought it was compartment syndrome but issue occur all the time not just running.  Never been able to diagnose it properly.

More recently, plantar fasciitis in left foot. Have had it now on and off since Sept / Oct 17 and have had numerous treatments including all the normal taping, ultrasound and cortisone, but specialist is now suggesting Platelet Replacement therapy.

All in all, not a bad run.  Probably more a sign of getting old and fat more than anything

About to embark on a charity bike ride in 10 days time (Torquay to Adelaide) so hopefully can hold it all together and show some of this kids how to tough it out 😬

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Ive always found I am much more susceptible to injury the longer I take off after any race and the more weight I carry.
 

Ive found a pretty healthy balance to get back into training after racing and that generally starts after having 1 week off directly after a race as it helps me maintain a healthier weight and better fitness and strength.   I also find maintaining training helps more with my motivation.  

 

Ive gone a few years now without having an injury that has stopped me for more than a day or two. 

 

 

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When I was racing, I only had 1 crash, and that really only resulted in a lot of gravel rash & 2 fingernails ripped off. It was the last race of the season anyway, so didn't really cause issues.

I had a bout of Patello Femoral Syndrome at one stage. Put me out for about 3 months, and was the reason I didn't put my job on hold and start racing full-time. I realised how tenuous an existence it could be. I also developed back problems that stopped me running real fast, so that was the reason I moved up to my first IM.

In recent history, I'm just a physio's wet dream.

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I have been racing for about 14 years and have had quiet a few injuries,multiple torn calf, PF, a couple of bike crashes (nothing serious) and general muscle issues.

The best thing I can do to prevent all these issues (bar crashing) is Pilates. I find when I regularly go to Pilates I do not have any niggles or injuries (having said that I didn't go last week and cant go this week 😠).

As I get older I have also implemented a monthly visit to Chiro to keep me aligned and physio whenever needed to loosen up.

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NSF

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Started in 1994.

I broke my big toe about 7 years ago. Tripped over.

Torn my calf running the stairs in the domain in sydney about 2000.

Other than those, I've been extremely lucky or just did the right recovery things.

FYI  I have NEVER done stretching other than calf stretches.

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Started endurance sport in 1990, with 1/2 marathons, then onto multisport, tri, MTBing etc

Other than the odd strain that managed with minor physio or rest

Few grazes from bike crashes, but nothing a week recovery wouldn't fix

Dislocated and broken hip in 2015 (MTB crash), this was 13 weeks on crutches, 7 of those not being able to bend hip joint. Got told never to run again, but have continued to run. This was my first broken bone at 48 years old

Overall i am not prone to injury, but then i manage the niggles fairly well with mainly rest

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nearly tore tibialis posterior, has taken several years to get over it. some don't.

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Only 10 years at it for me, and most of my injuries were more so the result of biomechanical issues I'd apparently had since teens.  Mostly around my knees.  PF once for a short time.  The only real race injury was the stress fracture in my right foot half way through the last tour de tri.  That ended up exasperating the long time issues which resulted in my finding out I shouldn't run anymore.

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Pete, don’t forget the only stretches you do are around the truth. 

This is my 30th year. Apart from accidents, I don’t go fast enough to get injured. The knees are slowly getting sore though. 

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Seriously Bored touch as much wood as you can.

i often bragged that I had 25+ years without a real injury other than the odd sore bit or twing. Then the one Real one I got ended it all :sadwalk:

 

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7 minutes ago, roxii said:

Seriously Bored touch as much wood as you can.

i often bragged that I had 25+ years without a real injury other than the odd sore bit or twing. Then the one Real one I got ended it all :sadwalk:

 

It was you that got me thinking. Is the stress on our bodies worth it. 

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22 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

It was you that got me thinking. Is the stress on our bodies worth it. 

Yeah I think so. 

25 years of good living, good experiences and great friendships. 

The other path laid out for me was probably drinking and fishing. 

As a predisposed fatty it has at least kept me in reasonable shape till now.  Now the real challenge begins. 

I think some people who are heavily predisposed to injury but love the sport would be in a real quandary, but as I was cruising along fine till it ended I suppose I had no reason to question anything. 

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 Is the stress on our bodies worth it. 

 

Definitely is - but we have to do body maintenance - the older we get the more we need

I've been at this for 35yrs - 46 Ironman races - but I have never run more than 70km in any week - that's the longest ever week

We have to back up our physical work with enough good nutrition to refuel and rebuild our bodies, not just carbs to refuel your energy supply - we need quality protein for our muscles - gelatin for our connective tissue (gelatin is a protein) cheapest supplement you can buy

We need to balance work with rest, more is not better - we need rest days

You could say I'm lucky, I've been told I'm genetically gifted, but none of my brothers or cousins got the gift (our mothers were identical twins) - it's lifestyle - it's never too late to start balancing your training and rest, taking supplements which will help you absorb the training.

Isn't it better to train moderately, eat well and maybe not burn out early, a lot of guys who used to beat me are gone from the sport. I've seen guys in their sixties push too hard, stroking their egos, and injure themselves out of the sport. 

We have to adjust our training to suit our age

Apart from an odd sore bit here or there which was cured by stopping what I was doing for a week or so, the only injuries I have had were caused by falling off my bike.

At this moment no member of my squad is injured and they're going pretty well. I make sure they have sufficient recovery time between hard efforts, I make sure they all do their core strength work three times a week as a group (this is real important in avoiding injuries) also we have a lot of focus on good technique in each sport. 

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Had quiet a few of the usuals....Achilles tendinitis, calf strains, plantar faciatis etc pretty much all leg issues.

But I currently have my worst injury, a stress fracture of the pubic bone. Which has ruled me out if IMNZ unfortunately.

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OK, as far as I can remember, here goes.

Been into tri since 2001 but raced bikes and ran years before that.

2002:  Contracted pancreatitis, which resulted in an emergency operation, to remove some of my pancreas in order to save my liver. Unbelievably painful for weeks and weeks. Had 120 odd stones removed and some laser zapping and have a natty shiny plastic tube inside there 'somewhere'!

2004-2009:  On again, off again acute back pain and spasms, the longest I can remember being off the bike was 7mths. Extremely painful and frustrating with regular bouts of being floor bound for days. Cause was some severely bulged discs. Lots of physio and surgeon appts but nothing really helped.

2009:  'The big crash' - First day on a new TT bike and in order to avoid an errant kid running across the road in CP, I ended up going highside.  5 broken ribs, smashed collar bone in 3 pieces, punctured lung and fractured hip with a hematoma.  For some reason, the numpty surgeon thought the collar bone would 'heal itself'.

2009:  Back into hospital to have the collar bone plated with a 6 screw plate.  This whole episode took mths to come back from, nearly broke me and I was very close to giving it all away. Nearly 10yrs later and I still can't feel my r/h shoulder or the top half of my bicep.

2011:  My back finally lets go big time in Italy.  Flown home and an emergency operation (disectomy happend 48hrs later).  Lots of 'garbage' taken out, initially better but ultimately unsuccessful.

2012 Feb:  2 x follow up operations on back, more severe action. Same result, unsuccessful and still not able to walk properly.

2012 June:  new surgeon,  replacement discs advised, special ones that enable sports movement.

2012 July:  Advised my bone density was too weak to support new discs.

2012 Aug:  Massive 10hr operation with a team of 11, to insert alternative flexible devices.   pretty successful overall.

2014 June:  Collar bone plate removed, due to it wearing away tissue when swimming.

2015 Sept:  Dragged from the beach after lap 1 of IM Wales, unable to walk, back let go again, spasm in r/h leg. Taken to hospital.

2015 Nov:  operation to remove blockage causing spasm. successful but surgeon advised that devices had 'stopped working' but couldn't take them out (no consent and special team required).

2016 June:  operation the remove devices.  seems to have been successful but have to have yearly scans to monitor.

Apart from that and some niggling calf injuries, been pretty much injury free. :thumbsup:

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I still can't believe you still do as much as you do Ian, geez you've been thru some shit!  And now you've taken up MTB 😲  I never crashed the road bike in 20+ yrs, but had 6 offs in my first year on an MTB, one leading to a plated collarbone & cracked ribs.

So for me, started tri training in about 1988 & fell at the first hurdle with a bulging disc in lower back which ultimately knocked me out for 3 yrs.  But I kept swimming & strength training & got back into tris in about 1993.

Then I got 18 or so good years of sprints, HIMs, HMs with only a few minor issues (ITB syndrome, 2 inguinal hernia ops, sore achilles), though all the time had patella chondromalacia that only ever stopped me for a few days. 

It all went to shit on April 2012 after a meniscus trim in my L knee (it let go suddenly on an easy little run) and both knees went south fast within a few months & end of story.  I was in constant pain & somewhat disabled for 5 yrs & got shit advice until I researched it myself & made some good gains (you've all seen my story :blush:) I'm keen to keep MTBing.  Pretty sure triathlon is over.  I still swim & gym & MTB when I can.

I've had about 18 general anaesthetics starting from age 10 but many for non-sport related things (appendix, wisdom teeth, prostate), though several sports related (knee, collarbone).

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13 hours ago, AP said:

We have to back up our physical work with enough good nutrition to refuel and rebuild our bodies, not just carbs to refuel your energy supply - we need quality protein for our muscles - gelatin for our connective tissue (gelatin is a protein) cheapest supplement you can buy

We need to balance work with rest, more is not better - we need rest days

You could say I'm lucky, I've been told I'm genetically gifted, but none of my brothers or cousins got the gift (our mothers were identical twins) - it's lifestyle - it's never too late to start balancing your training and rest, taking supplements which will help you absorb the training.

Isn't it better to train moderately, eat well and maybe not burn out early, a lot of guys who used to beat me are gone from the sport. I've seen guys in their sixties push too hard, stroking their egos, and injure themselves out of the sport. 

We have to adjust our training to suit our age

AP,

I know you have spoke of this before, but looking for an update (if things have changed) on what supplements you think triathletes should take and at what age should they be introduced (keeping in mind everyone is different, just speaking generically).

As I am fast approaching 50 I find i need more rest that I did 10 years ago, but I can still push as hard and I am still seeing improvements.

Thanks

NSF

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1 hour ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

I still can't believe you still do as much as you do Ian, geez you've been thru some shit!  And now you've taken up MTB 😲  I never crashed the road bike in 20+ yrs, but had 6 offs in my first year on an MTB, one leading to a plated collarbone & cracked ribs.

 

Me and you both mate, me and you both (and Ex).  I'm just counting every day as a gift these days!  Not started moving in earnest yet, just about to buy a bike but the focus will be heavy on XC rather than crazy gravity stuff.

I'm holding my fitness pretty well but definitely lost some top end both in running and on the bike compared to last year. Not sure if it's just winter or getting older! haha

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45 minutes ago, Flanman said:

All I can say to you FatPom - SOOOOOFT.

FM

I'm still to scared to get a tattoo :lol:

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4 hours ago, Notsofast said:

AP,

I know you have spoke of this before, but looking for an update (if things have changed) on what supplements you think triathletes should take and at what age should they be introduced (keeping in mind everyone is different, just speaking generically).

As I am fast approaching 50 I find i need more rest that I did 10 years ago, but I can still push as hard and I am still seeing improvements.

Thanks

NSF

I know I risk being told it's a waste of money etc - but I ask all of my athletes to take 1,000mg vit C (esta C) am and pm - 2 x 1000mg salmon oil am and pm - vit D3 am and pm - 1 x multi vitamin (Eagle Tresos B ) is very good each morning - I take my morning vits with a drink of (1teaspoon psylium husks + 1 teaspoon essential aminos + 1 teaspoon gelatin + 1 teaspoon collostrum powder + 1teaspoon dexrose) this is after the juice of a lemon in a little water as the first thing that enters my gut - I do this religiously every morning - I also take 1 O'Neil's Q10 150mg every am

It really doesn't matter to me if there are others who don't believe there's any benefit to be gained by doing this, it seems to be working for me and is a regime which has evolved over many years 😏

I still train 6 days a week - I only train mornings - I drink a glass or two of red wine every night - eat potato chips - I am lucky to have a wife who is health conscious and cooks well - I go to bed at 8.30-9 each night and the alarm goes off at 4.15 every morning - no matter how I feel I have my feet on the carpet within 20sec and I am dressed within 3min 🙄 this discipline helps me mentally - there are times when I am too smashed to go training - but I am dressed before I make that decision

I am 70yrs and still work quite hard physically most days (although to back up the hard days I need to limit the physical stuff to about 4-5hrs)

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21 minutes ago, AP said:

I know I risk being told it's a waste of money etc - but I ask all of my athletes to take 1,000mg vit C (esta C) am and pm - 2 x 1000mg salmon oil am and pm - vit D3 am and pm - 1 x multi vitamin (Eagle Tresos B ) is very good each morning - I take my morning vits with a drink of (1teaspoon psylium husks + 1 teaspoon essential aminos + 1 teaspoon gelatin + 1 teaspoon collostrum powder + 1teaspoon dexrose) this is after the juice of a lemon in a little water as the first thing that enters my gut - I do this religiously every morning - I also take 1 O'Neil's Q10 150mg every am

It really doesn't matter to me if there are others who don't believe there's any benefit to be gained by doing this, it seems to be working for me and is a regime which has evolved over many years 😏

I still train 6 days a week - I only train mornings - I drink a glass or two of red wine every night - eat potato chips - I am lucky to have a wife who is health conscious and cooks well - I go to bed at 8.30-9 each night and the alarm goes off at 4.15 every morning - no matter how I feel I have my feet on the carpet within 20sec and I am dressed within 3min 🙄 this discipline helps me mentally - there are times when I am too smashed to go training - but I am dressed before I make that decision

I am 70yrs and still work quite hard physically most days (although to back up the hard days I need to limit the physical stuff to about 4-5hrs)

Have you had any root canals done Al?

Serious question, cos I just saw a very disturbing Netflix show about how they negatively impact your health - could be bunkum of course.

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1 hour ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

Have you had any root canals done Al?

Several over the years - it's better to have root canal treatment than to allow the infection to fester - it really is like draining a boil 😏

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25 minutes ago, AP said:

Several over the years - it's better to have root canal treatment than to allow the infection to fester - it really is like draining a boil 😏

There is a school of thought that with root canal, because you are leaving a 'dead tooth' in there, but removing it's blood supply, it always retains some bacteria which produce toxins and have a detrimental impact on health (chronic fatigue, cancer, arthritic....), even though the procedure is mainstream in dentistry. They also say the same about some other tooth extractions.  But I think you are an example of where that clearly not the case as you are still smashing it in your 70's which is inspiring - and which is good to hear as I've had 3 over the years (2 when young due to snapping off the root tip in accidents).

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I think I'd had 6 of them by the time my teeth came out.  Though a lot were due to a squash racket to the mouth.

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7 hours ago, AP said:

I know I risk being told it's a waste of money etc - but I ask all of my athletes to take 1,000mg vit C (esta C) am and pm - 2 x 1000mg salmon oil am and pm - vit D3 am and pm - 1 x multi vitamin (Eagle Tresos B ) is very good each morning - I take my morning vits with a drink of (1teaspoon psylium husks + 1 teaspoon essential aminos + 1 teaspoon gelatin + 1 teaspoon collostrum powder + 1teaspoon dexrose) this is after the juice of a lemon in a little water as the first thing that enters my gut - I do this religiously every morning - I also take 1 O'Neil's Q10 150mg every am

It really doesn't matter to me if there are others who don't believe there's any benefit to be gained by doing this, it seems to be working for me and is a regime which has evolved over many years 😏

I still train 6 days a week - I only train mornings - I drink a glass or two of red wine every night - eat potato chips - I am lucky to have a wife who is health conscious and cooks well - I go to bed at 8.30-9 each night and the alarm goes off at 4.15 every morning - no matter how I feel I have my feet on the carpet within 20sec and I am dressed within 3min 🙄 this discipline helps me mentally - there are times when I am too smashed to go training - but I am dressed before I make that decision

I am 70yrs and still work quite hard physically most days (although to back up the hard days I need to limit the physical stuff to about 4-5hrs)

Thanks, apprecaited

Cheers

NSF

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2014 took up triathlon... Bought a bike, went over the handlebars avoiding a car and broke my collar bone. Got a plate and 9 screws.

2015 Achilles drama, from Australia day through IMOZ, ran with a taped ankle through till end of 2017

2016 had someone fall on me while playing soccer and tore my MCL. 

2017 another soccer related (?) injury that I never really got to the bottom of. Pain in my abdomen at the end of my stride. 

2018 no soccer ;) some minor foot issues from 3 years of running with a taped ankle

 

 

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On 23/01/2019 at 6:06 PM, roxii said:

i often bragged that I had 25+ years without a real injury other than the odd sore bit or twing. Then the one Real one I got ended it all :sadwalk:

I kind of relate to this. I had really no issues other than an burst eardrum from a knock at a turning can, that decides to "reburst" itself every time I go too deep in a pool.

And then I had a little heart incident... and now booked in for surgery in March. In the words of the doc "not uncommon for people your age, especially in elite athletes". That was my paraphrasing of a long conversation 😂

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6 hours ago, Steno said:

I kind of relate to this. I had really no issues other than an burst eardrum from a knock at a turning can, that decides to "reburst" itself every time I go too deep in a pool.

And then I had a little heart incident... and now booked in for surgery in March. In the words of the doc "not uncommon for people your age, especially in elite athletes". That was my paraphrasing of a long conversation 😂

Good luck mate 👍

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On ‎24‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 2:17 PM, ComfortablyNumb said:

There is a school of thought that with root canal, because you are leaving a 'dead tooth' in there, but removing it's blood supply, it always retains some bacteria which produce toxins and have a detrimental impact on health (chronic fatigue, cancer, arthritic....), even though the procedure is mainstream in dentistry. They also say the same about some other tooth extractions.  But I think you are an example of where that clearly not the case as you are still smashing it in your 70's which is inspiring - and which is good to hear as I've had 3 over the years (2 when young due to snapping off the root tip in accidents).

Snapped top two front teeth off at the gumline after taking a header in to road over a car bonnet at the end of a training ride in about '86, so far so good, the original crowns (with porcelain veneers) have held up just fine (as long as I avoid the brain freezes that accompany biting into hard ice-cream). The of the 72 stitches  only the ones in my upper lip are still visible (it was basically shredded through the smashed teeth). Still have that permanent record of "driving without due car" on my drivers licence though. - Moral:  give way to cars - even if you think you'll make it, as bitumen tastes bad and is hard.

 

I thought about doing an IM once - I've had to have 30 years off IM to recover :)

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