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Ironman Hawaii - two words that drive the pulse of every triathlete steeply upwards. On Saturday it is time again. At 6.35 am local time, the spectacle will be detonated on the Big Island, the largest island in the Pacific archipelago. The defending champion is Darmstadt-based Patrick Lange, who made an exorbitant performance boost after switching from short and middle distance to long-distance in 2016, as did Swiss Daniela Ryf, who switched to the Ironman distance in 2014 and has been three times since won in Hawaii .

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While the Swiss is back in the race on Saturday as a big favorite and anything but a victory with a clear lead would be a sensation, Lange has to contend with tough competition. And with a discussion about his athletic integrity, which he himself started. When asked how he assesses his German competitor Sebastian Kienle , the Hawaii 2014 champion, Lange said to the newspaper that Kienle had to make a decent lead in cycling, he would need it, because: "There's no one to me more motivated than Sebastian Kienle. "Why?

"In the past, a few things came from his side that did not have to be. To be politically correct, we are two athletes who have completely different racing tactics. The fact that we get stuck is programmed because he despises it, if you do not tear down the trees on the bike path, drive ahead and look for the offensive, but as I design my race tactics. I follow the wheel after the others, I stay tuned, always try to drive legally, keep two meters more distance than prescribed. But if I follow a strong cyclist, I tend to be behind it. "

Kienle: "He crosses borders"

The cyclists, who feel close to Kienle, have an ugly word for it: lollipops. Kienle would not call a competitor that way, but he sends very clear words to the world champion's address. "I can say in good conscience that I get on well with all the pros, only Doper and people who are constantly trying to stretch the rules to the maximum and often exceed, form the exception." That he considers Lange to be a maximum Regeldehner from it Kienle makes no secret. "We have known each other for many years, even from the middle distance, and as for his behavior in races, nothing has changed. That was always borderline on the middle distance. Lange has repeatedly been given time penalties for wind shadow driving, blocking or coaching in the past four years, even in Hawaii. Once that happens, it's possible that a referee made a mistake or accidentally happened to the athlete, but if that happens all the time, it's no coincidence. There are enough athletes in the field who have been without a penalty for fifteen years. "

One who sends clear words: Sebastian Kienle, former Hawaii champion. Picture: DPA

Kienle points out that there are not everywhere judges on the bike course, that's not possible on a 180 kilometer long track with many groups on the way. "That's why we often see more athletes on the track than the judges, and we see other athletes behaving when there are no referees present. And if, after swimming on the bike opposite Long, I have to catch up with a gap and start from behind on his group, then it is often the case that in his group all the required twelve meters distance and at the end of the field six meters has and looked around again and again. If you want to say it in a friendly way, then he tests the limits and he transgresses them. "

Jan Frodeno , the superstar of the scene, who had to cancel his participation in Hawaii because of an injury, agrees with Kienle's assessment. "The fact that Lange is always hiding and hiding on the bike, that can upset me so much, but that's his right. That sometimes he overshoots the goal is like that. He has always played with the distances in cycling groups. He has always tried to take advantage of it and explore the frontiers. "For next Saturday, Kienle says, he hopes" that Lange has to do more work on the bike. Frodeno cleverly put him in this position in his European Championship victory in Frankfurt in July, and he did not get that. Lange starts in Hawaii as a world champion who wants to defend his title. Therefore, the others in his cycling group will hopefully say: Now you go ahead. "

Lange counters, that was already the case last year. "Because of my good performance in 2016, I've been sent forward in every bike group I've been in. Whenever I went off the accelerator to get rid of what the front ones did in their groups, my head was taken down and said: Drive! Only at kilometer 160 did I find one who said: Okay, I'll help you. "Boris Stein, a German friend of Lange who is missing this year on Big Island but injured.

Long season so far has been anything but perfect, in Frankfurt he was third and clearly distanced from Frodeno. While Frodeno then won the semi-finals in South Africa in a spectacular race, one of the best in triathlon history, Lange only finished second in the same distance in Rügen. Just? Long does not want to leave it that way. He is in a new situation, he says. "The target on the back is huge" - everyone wants to beat the world champion, for him is the honor, load and incentive at the same time.

That Frodeno is missing in Hawaii injured benefits Lange. With Kienle, the Canadian last year Lionel Sanders and Spaniard Javier Gomez but strong competitors are at the start. Frodeno's failure, says Lange, he sees with a laughing and a crying eye. On the one hand, the biggest competitor is not at the start, which means that "for me it is definitely a placement further forward. On the other hand, of course, I would have liked to have the duel with him. So perhaps the taste remains that the best athlete this season has been missing ". But that's just the way it is in sports. "It's also about being competitive at the end of the season." And not hurt. Frodeno is suffering from a fatigue fracture in the sacroiliac joint.

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Long tactics on Saturday is clear. Get out of the water with the top group, while cycling - as usual - save energy and then give full throttle while running. Perhaps, he hopes, a coalition with Gomez can also be forged. "I think he has the same racing tactics as me and that you can fertilize yourself there. This year there are these crass cyclists: Sanders, Kienle, the Australian Cameron litter and the American Andrew Starykowicz. And there is a very strong runner side with Gomez and me. There are two fronts. There is black or white. "Lange or Kienle. Dog or cat. Meaning: Either a runner wins or a cyclist wins. Last, the runners were always ahead. The last cycling specialist won in 2014: Sebastian Kienle.

Source: FAZ

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I havent seen one. Got this on my google feed overnight. 

He might be playing the game if drafting and getting busted is part of Langes plan. 

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Was that written by Sutto, or a dodgy google translate. 

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Just now, Peter said:

I havent seen one. Got this on my google feed overnight. 

He might be playing the game if drafting and getting busted is part of Langes plan. 

Seems a larger percentage of triathletes think this is now "the game"! 

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These guys have enough attention on them that if they do the wrong thing they will get put in the box.  

 

Just cause he wants to sit in the pack and not ride off the front doesn't mean he deserves the win any less.  

 

Very few guys win this race riding off the front like Kienle and Sanders do, this isn't a new "tactic"

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I race right on the draft limit. It’s called racing smart. 

In IM Maryland I found another competitor riding about my pace and sat behind her. We changed front position a few times & briefly chatted as we went past each other. 

Had a draft Marshall around us for most of the ride.  This was the cleanest IM race I have ever competed in. 

They also ditched the Harley’s and had large scooters for draft Marshall’s. Couldn’t hear them coming. 

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Off the front rarely is successful in Hawaii. 

 

It's not a normal Ironman. 

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52 minutes ago, roxii said:

Was that written by Sutto, or a dodgy google translate. 

I agree, I couldn't read it all, I couldn't understand it :)

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15 minutes ago, FFF1077 said:

Off the front rarely is successful in Hawaii. 

 

It's not a normal Ironman. 

Is it not 3.8,180 & 42.2?

its the same as any other Ironman, just with far less first timers 

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33 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

Is it not 3.8,180 & 42.2?

its the same as any other Ironman, just with far less first timers 

It's mystic and windy.... 

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14 minutes ago, FFF1077 said:

It's mystic and windy.... 

The enormous ego's create their own micro-climate. 

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8 minutes ago, roxii said:

The enormous ego's create their own micro-climate. 

Possibly 

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I like the banter here, Seb trying to force Lange into the wind with pressure from those athletes around him and the marshals to dull his legs. 

Drafting in Kona pro and Agee race is bad! Hope it’s cleaned up a bit, age wave starts needed and stricter enforcement on bike.

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Yer I think he was and that likely would have put him into first. 

There will be a whole big group who make main swim pack so I think inevitable some will get done.

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Total respect for the Brownlees, but it's always struck me that some of their tactics are perhaps a tad naive. Flying off in the swim, leading at the front, with the others tucked in neatly behind them, similarly with the bike, doing the lion's share of work at the front. 

I don't think Lange or anyone else should be obligated to work at the front if they don't want to. If guys don't like it, they need to figure out a plan to drop him.

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2 hours ago, Peter said:

Have a read of this interview of seb. 

https://www.slowtwitch.com/Interview/And_Sebastian_Kienle_is_ready_for_a_rumble_7036.html

i never knew you had to ask permission to get in a lane   I just make sure i wont get in the other peoples way  

 

How sad is this:

 

Sebi: You know what’s really sad about that is, that when I just started triathlon Vinu was my absolute hero. He either attacked when he was allowed to, or he was this very unselfish domestique. A couple of years later and finally the shit hit the van in Germany (Team Telekom). I‘m really happy that I never tried to become a pro cyclist and I had no more role models in sport after that day. Doping destroys everything, just look at Jan Ulrich. Imagine a (sport) world without it. It could have been wonderful. Those guys destroyed everything.

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2 hours ago, zed said:

Wasn't Lange pinged in Kona in 2016?

Think so. Ran like a mad rooter through to 3rd 

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What is so difficult in having a 20M zone race for the pros in Kona? There is only 50 odd competitors in the men’s race and 40 in the women’s race: There is enough real estate on the QueenK for that to be practical. Challenge has proved its possible.

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19 hours ago, zed said:

Total respect for the Brownlees, but it's always struck me that some of their tactics are perhaps a tad naive. Flying off in the swim, leading at the front, with the others tucked in neatly behind them, similarly with the bike, doing the lion's share of work at the front. 

I don't think Lange or anyone else should be obligated to work at the front if they don't want to. If guys don't like it, they need to figure out a plan to drop him.

Seemed to work ok for them though. Got a few Olympic medals to show for it.

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