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I can't remember if this got mentioned, but having a look at the new IMWA swim course, is it not going to be a complete clusterf*ck. 1500 people + 2 laps. When the first lot come round for the 2nd lap, they'll have 1200/1300 swimmers in front of them. Isn't it going to be gridlock?? Anyone done a swim course like this?

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If it was a rolling start, then yes, I'd agree with you, but with a mass start the lead swimmers won't be catching the field till fairly late, and they'll be very strung out at the tail, so it shouldn't be an issue.

You'll have to watch out for all those WA cheaters hiding at the buoys waiting for the crowd so they can skip a lap though. ;)

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In one fell swoop they've taken away the two distinctive things about the race:  the swim around the jetty; and the mass start.  What on earth would bring you to Busselton now if you weren't a local?

Not dissimilar to Cairns.  I don't think it causes much of a problem from people getting lapped, even with the rolling start.  1500 might be a bit optimistic though, depends on how they separate the half distance athletes.

I am interested in how it affects water safety though.  Somebody being rescued from the offshore leg potentially needs to be carted 500m before they hit shore or more to get them to what will be a presumably central first aid area.  I can't imagine they'd send motorised equipment through the onshore leg.

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2 minutes ago, Stikman said:

In one fell swoop they've taken away the two distinctive things about the race:  the swim around the jetty; and the mass start.  What on earth would bring you to Busselton now if you weren't a local?

Not dissimilar to Cairns.  I don't think it causes much of a problem from people getting lapped, even with the rolling start.  1500 might be a bit optimistic though, depends on how they separate the half distance athletes.

I am interested in how it affects water safety though.  Somebody being rescued from the offshore leg potentially needs to be carted 500m before they hit shore or more to get them to what will be a presumably central first aid area.  I can't imagine they'd send motorised equipment through the onshore leg.

Yeah someone pointed out at they'll be almost a km from the jetty at the furthest point. At least during sharkgate 2017, we were swimming close to the jetty and everyone was up the jetty ladders pretty quickly and efficiently. 

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Dont see an issue.  But raceday will tell the story.  Just focusing on training for now and will worry about the what ifs on the second lap of the swim.

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We will have the opportunity to bum slap willie in the swim and on the run! Happy days 

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51 minutes ago, zed said:

It's a rolling start now.

Maybe they should update their athlete guide?

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Yes, it'll be an absolute fustercluck.

 

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13 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Maybe they should update their athlete guide?

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Yes, it'll be an absolute fustercluck.

 

 mass start?? - 1500 people trying to round the first marker buoy 280m out.... lols I'm sure they changed it to rolling.

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The IRONMAN Western Australia and IRONMAN 70.3 Western Australia will have rolling starts, while IRONMAN 70.3 Busselton (May race) will retain its wave start.
 

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I’m just disgusted you started the identical thread on twits 

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28 minutes ago, Peter said:

I’m just disgusted you started the identical thread on twits 

Who's on twits? Do we stop talks them. What's the protocol here? Hehehe.

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I got a refund on WA when they announced the swim change. I went for the 70.3 about 5 years ago and the course got changed to near the beach swim due to the shark sightings down the coast, so I missed out then and now not flying all that way for an otherwise boring course. Cairns and Port are way more interesting to race on.

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4 hours ago, Stikman said:

In one fell swoop they've taken away the two distinctive things about the race:  the swim around the jetty; and the mass start.  What on earth would bring you to Busselton now if you weren't a local?

Agreed Stikman. Was keeping an option of Busso in the back pocket as a return to the long game, because of these two things...and sharing a bunk bed again...

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3 hours ago, Bikebeast said:

Lanzarote has the same format and it works. 

First turn at Lanza is the biggest cluster  of all, especially with people swimming the wrong side of the rope.

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13 minutes ago, FatPom said:

First turn at Lanza is the biggest cluster  of all, especially with people swimming the wrong side of the rope.

Heh FP,

My recollection of IM Lanzarote which was a few years ago (and just checked and they still have the same course) is there is no first turn until nearly 1k into the swim (which was pretty leisurely by then).  The problem there was similar to a marathon where unless you got up the front it took a wee while until you actually hit the water due to the gridlock going under the inflatable start entrance - once in the water you were fine, but numbers have increased since.

A bigger problem I found re: first turns was IM Switzerland and IM Germany the following years where instead of entering the water within a 15 m wide area, you are now stretched over 200 meters wide on the beach (in a mass start) converging on the fist turn 200-300 meters from the start.  It was dog paddling for a long while to get your turn in there.  IM Forster was not too disimilar but somehow did work better, although was closer to 500m into the race.

Comparing Busso proposed Swim course to the examples I gave above I think it's closer to Switzerland example where turning that first buoy will be a problem, unless they do it in a more sweeping fashion like Lanzarote (which is actually has permanent bouys year round due to the drop off in the depth due to the edge of a shelf going from say 5m to ...long way down- deep blue).  It was kinda cool to swim into nothing underneath but look left and you see the bottom 5m down with a cliff separating.

The discussion above about heading back into oncoming traffic given it doesn't occur until after 1k into the race and is separated by 100m is a non issue in my opinion.

Conclusion, if a mass start, make the first between more sweeping than hard and it would be much better, but finally around the Jetty was so much better so I agree with Stikman's observation.

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4 hours ago, Peter said:

I’m just disgusted you started the identical thread on twits 

Always interested in what the Sepos think!

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6 hours ago, FFF1077 said:

We will have the opportunity to bum slap willie in the swim and on the run! Happy days 

You’re just mean :( you’d wanna hope I don’t run past you... 

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