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52 minutes ago, xblane said:

I dunno, Gabriel Gaté manages to spice it up ;) 

I don't know why, but I've never warmed to Gabriel. And with the plethora of cooking shows on TV these days, I'm even less tolerant of this section of the show. I'd prefer they do a bit longer preview of the day's stage, or review yesterdays while waiting for their coverage from France to start.

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1 hour ago, mhvh said:

I generally don't get past Tate of the Tour!

Thank God for Foxtel and their 200 repeats each day!

8:30 starts this year they were advertising last night

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2 hours ago, Kim jong-un said:

8:30 starts this year they were advertising last night

 Great! Thanks KJ

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To be honest the performance enhancement offered by salbutamol seems to be without much evidence to support it... http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4053/salbutamol-can-be-performance-enhancing-says-wada . It's nothing like EPO or steroids although according to the article there is some research that suggest large amounts of salbutamol could act like a steroid and help increase muscle mass. From my reading that is only a suggestion and there is no actual result where this has actually happened and would require larger sustained doses beyond Froome's level. More likely than not, it is simply an honest mistake with the dosage at the time possibly due to incorrectly taking into account other factors which might influence the levels present in the blood.

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3 hours ago, Kim jong-un said:

8:30 starts this year they were advertising last night

What are your thoughts on the nuclear arms race at Sky Kim? 

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Delgado didn't stop me watching.

The EPO fuelled 90's didn't stop me watching.

The Lance era didn't stop me watching.

Operation Puerto/Landis didn't stop me watching. 

Contador/Schleck didn't stop me watching.

Sky didn't/won't stop me watching.

 

What's the definition of madness again?

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14 minutes ago, Nick777 said:

What's the definition of madness again?

Watching Grand tours? Or Test cricket

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23 minutes ago, xblane said:

Watching Grand tours? Or Test cricket

At least most of the tests are on at a civilised hour (or aren't on FTA TV so I can't watch them anyway).

Winterfish is going to start getting real difficult from next week.

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1 hour ago, Slowman said:

More likely than not, it is simply an honest mistake with the dosage at the time possibly due to incorrectly taking into account other factors which might influence the levels present in the blood.

Straight from the SKY excuse generator.

 

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

 

Winterfish is going to start getting real difficult from next week.

Cmon.... 

Your my carrot at the end of the stick. 

 

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7 hours ago, Kim jong-un said:

8:30 starts this year they were advertising last night

Does Denis enjoy hanging out with you watching le tour?

 

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9 hours ago, Slowman said:

To be honest the performance enhancement offered by salbutamol seems to be without much evidence to support it... http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4053/salbutamol-can-be-performance-enhancing-says-wada . It's nothing like EPO or steroids although according to the article there is some research that suggest large amounts of salbutamol could act like a steroid and help increase muscle mass. From my reading that is only a suggestion and there is no actual result where this has actually happened and would require larger sustained doses beyond Froome's level. More likely than not, it is simply an honest mistake with the dosage at the time possibly due to incorrectly taking into account other factors which might influence the levels present in the blood.

 

8 hours ago, Tyno said:

Straight

 

 

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12 hours ago, Slowman said:

To be honest the performance enhancement offered by salbutamol seems to be without much evidence to support it... http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4053/salbutamol-can-be-performance-enhancing-says-wada . It's nothing like EPO or steroids although according to the article there is some research that suggest large amounts of salbutamol could act like a steroid and help increase muscle mass. From my reading that is only a suggestion and there is no actual result where this has actually happened and would require larger sustained doses beyond Froome's level. More likely than not, it is simply an honest mistake with the dosage at the time possibly due to incorrectly taking into account other factors which might influence the levels present in the blood.

Screwing up your doping protocol might be an honest mistake, but it's still doping.

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2 hours ago, Alex Simmons said:

Screwing up your doping protocol might be an honest mistake, but it's still doping.

Exactly this. The fact that others have been done for exactly the same thing and he walks away just screams Lance Pharmstrong treatment by the UCI. 

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15 hours ago, FFF1077 said:

Cmon.... 

Your my carrot at the end of the stick. 

 

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Don't worry. I said difficult, not impossible. I may do a few after-work swims. :)

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17 hours ago, Slowman said:

To be honest the performance enhancement offered by salbutamol seems to be without much evidence to support it... http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4053/salbutamol-can-be-performance-enhancing-says-wada . It's nothing like EPO or steroids although according to the article there is some research that suggest large amounts of salbutamol could act like a steroid and help increase muscle mass. From my reading that is only a suggestion and there is no actual result where this has actually happened and would require larger sustained doses beyond Froome's level. More likely than not, it is simply an honest mistake with the dosage at the time possibly due to incorrectly taking into account other factors which might influence the levels present in the blood.

It's something that never really gets a mention - the level of performance enhancement with particular drugs. Perhaps bans need to be adjusted accordingly. Phenylephrine is a decongestant which was supposed to have an effect on stimulating the heart. Performance enhancement is virtually negligible, hence the reason it's been taken off the banned list. But a number of athletes have tested positive for this and been banned. How many other banned drugs out there give only negligible performance enhancements? Compare that to EPO, what was the data for the age grouper in Icarus - 240w FTP to 380W after 6 months of EPO, something like that. At the moment it's black and white,  if you test positive for a banned substance, you're just as guilty as LA, doesn't matter if it's EPO or something you too to help with the sniffles.

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44 minutes ago, zed said:

It's something that never really gets a mention - the level of performance enhancement with particular drugs.

But then how do you measure performance enhancing. UCI are about to ban Tramadol from the start of next year. For me, I would get no benefit, but it is used as a pain-killer by a number of cyclists to allow them to compete when maybe their body is saying they shouldn't, or to push past where they would normally be able to.

It has been on the watch list for a while now (and been observed in many of the test samples taken at races) & will be banned from January. I wonder how many are going to get caught like Sharipova in the Meldonium scandal?

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

But then how do you measure performance enhancing. UCI are about to ban Tramadol from the start of next year. For me, I would get no benefit, but it is used as a pain-killer by a number of cyclists to allow them to compete when maybe their body is saying they shouldn't, or to push past where they would normally be able to.

It has been on the watch list for a while now (and been observed in many of the test samples taken at races) & will be banned from January. I wonder how many are going to get caught like Sharipova in the Meldonium scandal?

Perhaps like recreational drugs have different classes. EPO would be A, similar to smack, Tramadol would be C similar to weed. Length of bans would be determined by the class. Now that I think about it, it seems mad a professional athlete would risk their entire career and livelihood on a drug that only gives marginal (if at all) performance enhancements. 19/20 of Froome's samples  during the season were clear only 1 had an anomaly, levels of salbutamol  15% higher than the accepted level. 

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9 hours ago, Alex Simmons said:

Screwing up your doping protocol might be an honest mistake, but it's still doping.

Do tell. Are you implying salbutamol is part of some established doping protocol or some kind of masking agent? If you know something, you can't just let the cat half out of the bag! 

I mean we knew about EPO and how it worked it was just hard to detect it initially before it disappeared from the system, Anyone know how salbutamol is used to any great effect? Or are we just suspecting?

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2 minutes ago, Slowman said:

Do tell. Are you implying salbutamol is part of some established doping protocol or some kind of masking agent? If you know something, you can't just let the cat half out of the bag! 

I mean we knew about EPO and how it worked it was just hard to detect it initially before it disappeared from the system, Anyone know how salbutamol is used to any great effect? Or are we just suspecting?

Since when has EPO disappeared? There have been 13 doping sanctions this year alone for cyclists using EPO.

Salbutamol may have anabolic effects at certain dosages. That's why WADA has placed it on the prohibited list but as a specified substance with a limit.

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4 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

UCI are about to ban Tramadol from the start of next year. For me, I would get no benefit, but it is used as a pain-killer by a number of cyclists to allow them to compete when maybe their body is saying they shouldn't, or to push past where they would normally be able to.

It has been on the watch list for a while now (and been observed in many of the test samples taken at races) & will be banned from January. I wonder how many are going to get caught like Sharipova in the Meldonium scandal?

I was on the Trams for a slipped disc a couple of years ago and I could barely walk for the Hendrix that was playing in my head and the purple elephants that were dancing around me in the room.

How anyone could race a bike on that stuff has me stuffed .....

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