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So we're about to experience the plastic bag ban up here in QLD.  How do we feel about the whole thing?  We'd reuse about half the bags we get at shopping/stores etc, but that's about it.  So I'm gonna have to replace them, to some degree, with purchasing garbage bags.  And reading some stuff a while ago, with regards to the carbon footprint and climate change, some of those multi use bags would have to be used by someone in nearly the hundreds of times to equal the effect of one single use bag.  Cotton bags in particular etc have such a footprint on our environment.  As far as them being direct nuisance to the environment (in waterways, oceans, etc etc), is this a problem purely because so many people are lazy ass ****s and don't dispose of them properly?  And if something else replaces them, will they just treat the replacement with the same disdain?

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I re-use the plastic shopping bags for bin liners.

Too tired to think or type any more. Lol

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I use the grey bags to put my lunchbox with leftovers from last night's dinner in. It stops any juices going through my work bag. Now I'm going to have to find something else. IMO the shops will make a killing out of this, as they no longer have to supply free bags, and will be charging 20c or whatever for bags that cost them 1 or 2c.

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The Woolies on-line deliver in plastic bags, and we reuse 100% of the bags, two ways kitchen bin liners and dog walking poo pick-up.

Now will have to buy  bags for that purpose, which are heavier, so our usage of plastic will increase

when we go to the shops use multi use bags a majority of time. Not sure what the online deliveries will be.

Overall a good thing,

Disclaimer: I work in the single use plastics industry 

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We have it here in Vic Coles. It’s annoying. I used to reuse the bags for dog poo 

now we buy 15c bags that break after 3 uses. 

So basically the real winner here is Coles. 

Going from paying for bags to making money from selling them. 

However the time it takes for the checkout people to put the new ones in the holder to then pack them they used to fill one of the older bags. So going the the checkout is way slower. Therefore longer lines. 

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41 minutes ago, Peter said:

now we buy 15c bags that break after 3 uses. 

So basically the real winner here is Coles. 

Going from paying for bags to making money from selling them.

And it's not just that. They also sell additional bags for people to use as bin liners, lunch bags and poo bags. There'll still be nearly as much plastic used.

Hint for the dog poo. If you don't grab a few of the freebies council have around at dog parks (they provide them in Qld), then nappy bags are a cheap and pleasantly fragranced alternative.

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I hate the term "single use plastic bag" - I use each one at least 3 times.  I bring my shopping home, then I take my lunch to work and then I use it as a bin liner/cat poo disposal.  I'm going to have to buy plastic bags now and that really shits me!

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A friend's daughter runs a not for profit here in the shire called Naked Ocean. She's a marine biologist and once a month they do a scuba and shore cleanup. They picked 3x 75 litre bags of plastic and cigarette butts off Salmon Haul last month. doing one tomorrow at Bass and Flinders

She organised a screening of Plastic Ocean doco last week at Cronulla Cinema. It was ****ing distressing and kicked my arse into doing something.

A large proportion of landfill is plastic and a huge amount of this ends up in waterways worldwide. Not to mention that which is dropped in the street or just chucked in the water. the scenes of turtles, birds and fish dying with their stomachs full of plastic was horrifying and the statistics are horrendous.

We have started recycling all our soft plastic into the Redcycle bins at the supermarkets (unbelievable how empty our garbage bin is without all that soft plastic),  shop at aldi with reusable bags and my wife has just bought cotton produce bags for fruit and veg to be carted home in.

I'm not using takeaway coffee cups, have a reusable with me or drink in and brushing plastic straws.

Europe has been doing no plastic for 20 years. We need to stop whinging and pull up our big boy pants.

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We certainly need to ditch straws. 

Coffee cup. Good luck with that. 

 

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Plus the eco shopping bags can get recycled in Redcycle bins

coffee cups: often I’ll buy a takeaway on the way home and throw the cup in the bin sitting under the grinder and home espresso machine on our bench top instead of making at home. Going to save me heaps over a year by home brew or relax for 5 sitting at a cafe on the long black

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I’ve been taking mine on dog walks and picking up rubbish off the beach, 

now I suppose I’ll have to buy plastic bags to go and pick up plastic ??? 

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How exactly does the stuff get from landfill to waterways?  I mean, he's it's not great that it's taking up landfill anyway, but I'd the stuff just blowing away and then ending up in waterways?

As far as stuff ending up in waterways because of people, that's because many people are just lazy ****s who can't think further than their own self interests.

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The problem is not the carbon footprint it's it ending up in water and as litter. We've had this in the UK for years now and it's reduced plastic bag use by over 80%. It's a good thing that everybody railed against until it happened and then they just changed their behaviour. You can still get a bag if you forget yours for not a lot of money but it makes you think. I always carry a tote in my backpack and so hardly ever need to use plastic bags from the supermarket.

The ones we do get get reused mainly as bags to collect after the dog and even with the reduced amount of them we get it evens out. When they disappear completely then we'll use biodegradable nappy sacks like we used to in the UK. We use biodegradable bin bags which are pretty much the same price as the normal ones.

I think we're moving in a good direction with reducing plastic, McDonalds in the UK stopping plastic straws is great news. Hopefully we will see less of this shite:

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4 hours ago, Peter said:

We certainly need to ditch straws. 

Coffee cup. Good luck with that. 

 

They can be recycled. Qantas are running a scheme to reward businesses for separating them and getting them collected by a specialist company.

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19 hours ago, rory-dognz said:

 

when we go to the shops use multi use bags a majority of time. Not sure what the online deliveries will be.

 

Probably charge you extra for green bags. Or maybe cardboard boxes?

13 hours ago, -H- said:

.  I'm going to have to buy plastic bags now and that really shits me!

Don't forget to clean up after yourself

13 hours ago, Parkside said:

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I'm not using takeaway coffee cups, have a reusable with me or drink in and brushing plastic straws.

 

I thought you said you were going to be brushing WITH straws!  I thought, "what does toothbrushes have to do with this?" And, "you're not going to get a real good clean". 

Oops! Hazard of bikING and reading. I must learn to keep my head more still! 

 

 

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I worked at woolworths growing up. 

We used paper bags. 

 

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The Woolworths home deliveries options

1. unpack on your kitchen bench for $3

2. use heavier plastic bags and charge you $1

Can see they are really into service, their solution is to charge the customer more without increasing the service

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51 minutes ago, rory-dognz said:

The Woolworths home deliveries options

1. unpack on your kitchen bench for $3

2. use heavier plastic bags and charge you $1

Can see they are really into service, their solution is to charge the customer more without increasing the service

Cmon its not that hard. We get our groceries delivered every two weeks. The law here is that meat and fish must be in a non chargeable bag. When you do your shop online you can elect to to pay for bags or not, we don’t.

The delivery person comes with the big plastic boxes, he’ll put them inside the door, we unload them on the floor whilst he goes back to van for the rest. When he’s gone we put it away. Takes 5 mins and no bags.

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I used my plastic bags as bin liners, and to throw out kitty litter. They also get used to wrap my containers in so the condensation from my frozen food does not get into the rest of my work bag.

There is one guy who suggests going bin liner less, but good luck if you live in an apartment or flat where your rubbish collection is a fair distance away, either taking it to the communal bins or throwing it down a garbage chute. Also, composting is not something you can do in an apartment, I even sucked at it when I was living in the house! :blush:

As for packing at the supermarket. Aldi has it sorted. Boxes and packing areas! Costco was ok as well, just need to remember a box or tub for next time.

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20 minutes ago, MissJess said:

As for packing at the supermarket. Aldi has it sorted. Boxes and packing areas! Costco was ok as well, just need to remember a box or tub for next time.

Our local Drake has a large crate of cardboard boxes outside. I often use one of them, but must admit I use the bags for other purposes a lot like MissJess.

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I was in India last week and did a private tour through Dharavi Slum in Mumbai. Was eye opening to say the least. Majority of their recycling comes from McDonalds. 

Here is my post from Facebook:

Had been wanting to go to Dharavi Slum for the past few years, but was a little torn about going with a tour group and didn’t feel confident enough to go alone. At the end of the day, people live here and I know I wouldn’t like strangers walking through my house. 

I found Mohammed via Facebook and knew he would be a good option given he lives within the city 

Dharavi has a population of around 1 million ppl living in a 1.5km sq area. 

Everyone in Dharavi works. It’s the biggest recycling and manufacturing hub in India and has over 5,000 businesses 15,000 single room factories and produces $700million a year in revenue. 

Plastic recycling, soap, bakery items, pottery, shoes (ladies), suitcases, leather, bricks, fabrics, sheets... were all items I got to see being made today. Most of the plastics come from McDonalds.

I was amazed by how clean the place is on the inside. The homes are 5m sq areas with tiled floors that have a double bed and the rest of the space is used as combined kitchen and family area for the entire family. There is 24 hour electricity and the water runs for 3 hours a day. During this time, people bath, wash clothes and fill blue drums that they self serve water out of for the rest of the day. There is a communal toilet block and a big free space where there were loads of kids playing cricket. There’s also a market/shopping area. 

In the factory area, the men work down stairs and sleep and eat there or sleep upstairs. There’s small eateries around that provide 2 x meals a day delivered for $14US a week. Most of the workers families live in villages and they purely live in Dharavi to work as they have no (or minimal) education.

I was free to take pics except in any of the factories that were making food items. I was also trying to be respectful to the people and only took pics if they offered. 

The locals aren’t happy with the Slumdog Movie. They say it depicted the area to be a poverty stricken, high crime area.... which they say it isn’t. 

There are schools, hospitals and churches (of every denomination) within the slum.  

I felt completely comfortable walking around and the locals were more than happy to shake hands and have a chat

(Oh. And I got to go inside the local cinema. Mohammed did warn me that majority of the population of the slum was male... and he didn’t know what would be playing on the screen. Was a dark room with 40 ppl sitting on the floor and a small screen on the wall playing a sexy lady movie 😂)

 

 

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The ban has kicked in here in India but not very effective. The problem, like the rest of the world, is how do you take back / collect all the bags that are out there already.

Another thing that puzzles me is the straw thing. Maybe I'm an odd one out but, I can't even remember the last time I used a straw?

 

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11 hours ago, softy said:

The ban has kicked in here in India but not very effective. The problem, like the rest of the world, is how do you take back / collect all the bags that are out there already.

Another thing that puzzles me is the straw thing. Maybe I'm an odd one out but, I can't even remember the last time I used a straw?

 

every drink sold in every fast food venue anywhere in the country that isn't in a plastic bottle has a plastic lid and plastic straw. Every pub, club and licensed venue supplies a straw for every non-beer sold.

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