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Just for the record, I have been to Kona - twice - as a spectator. I have no intention of ever racing there as I think I would be miserable and suffer in the heat and winds! Hats off to anyone who does KQ, but if you ever see me qualify, punch me in the head (repeatedly) and send a letter to the WTC that they have lowered their standards! I race for fun and to travel, meet people and experience the race and what it teaches me - I have no interest in titles or trophies. 

Seriously, though, the current rules are the current rules. Just like in the 80s you could pay your money and turn up and race. How fair is that for people who wanted to do Kona and weren't born then? The KQ system, in whatever form, is what makes the race, IMO. It enables the average joe's / female equivalent of Joe able to race the best in the world and be part of something. If we lose that, we lose the essence of the sport and make it too elitist.

Other people have different opinions - that's fair also.

On a related note, I struggle with triathletes I meet who are looking for something in this sport that they probably aren't going to find. Some people think it's a magic bullet to enlightenment .... or some shite ... but I think they're looking at it too deeply. It's a swim, a bike and a run. It's meeting people and enjoying their company, having a race, performing (or not) and not thinking this is the making or breaking of us.  

The young KQ being referred to here has done something that many her age couldn't do in 3 days! Congratulations to her and I hope she has a cracking time, whatever her time. 

 

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5 hours ago, zed said:

Another girl in a similar boat, no names mentioned, seems to be struggling and possibly lost to the sport, which would be a shame. Good to encourage kids into the sport, but I'm not sure an easy pathway to the World Championships is the best way to go about it. I think it would have the opposite effect and curtail their time in the sport rather than giving it longevity.

If you are referring to the same person, I have been reading her IG posts - am not a stalker, but they come up - and she appears to be in a fragile place at the moment. I agree that if she - and people like her - were to withdraw from the sport, the sport would be the lesser for this and their lives may not have been as fulfilled. 

Sometimes getting to the top of the mountain is hard because there is nowhere higher to climb!

I wish her well.

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17 hours ago, zed said:

She's not being questioned, the qualification process and "World Championship" status is being questioned. The qualification process is flawed and calling the race a "World Championship" is a misnomer. 

I think the World Championship tag is historic rather than truly accurate. 

Which is unfortunate. 

I'd love to be able to qualify. But being a Tri nerd, I would want to do a ****ing solid time to do so. Something that I could be proud of. But that's just me thinking aloud. Personally I wouldn't take a charity/lottery slot. Legacy.... Maybe because over time you have earned the opportunity, but it still wouldn't be right in my head. THAT'S HOW MY BRAIN WORKS. Not wanting to devalue or upset anyone. In my opinion, and mine only..... I could not stand at the bottom of the steps at Dig Me Beach and be in a good frame of mind had I not qualified with a solid performance or a LOT of "nearly there" performances over time. 

Weird ay? But that's just my 2 cents worth ✌️

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6 minutes ago, FFF1077 said:

I think the World Championship tag is historic rather than truly accurate. 

Which is unfortunate. 

I'd love to be able to qualify. But being a Tri nerd, I would want to do a ****ing solid time to do so. Something that I could be proud of. But that's just me thinking aloud. Personally I wouldn't take a charity/lottery slot. Legacy.... Maybe because over time you have earned the opportunity, but it still wouldn't be right in my head. THAT'S HOW MY BRAIN WORKS. Not wanting to devalue or upset anyone. In my opinion, and mine only..... I could not stand at the bottom of the steps at Dig Me Beach and be in a good frame of mind had I not qualified with a solid performance or a LOT of "nearly there" performances over time. 

Weird ay? But that's just my 2 cents worth ✌️

i'd take a lottery slot.

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11 hours ago, Paul Every said:

It definitely takes longer to mature and peak at the longer distances.

It's why cycling has Under 23s at World Champs and a white jersey in the TDF.

That's (in part) why Gwen was in the US Olympic team at 24 and not winning Kona.

Or why Paula was running in the 5000 metre final at Athens as a 22yo and 10000 metre final at Sydney at 26. Her marathon debut came two years later.

Being 24 might be an advantage in IM if you're racing a 50yo, but not if your racing a 30yo with 6 more seasons of training and racing behind them.

They are still endurance events. Sure they are going to longer when a little it older, some of that is down to the demands of the shorter events and some from more time in the legs.

They were not limited by being 24 and being 24 is not a massive limiter to athletic performance,.

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34 minutes ago, FFF1077 said:

I think the World Championship tag is historic rather than truly accurate. 

Which is unfortunate. 

I'd love to be able to qualify. But being a Tri nerd, I would want to do a ****ing solid time to do so.

As a tri geek/tragic as well, if I had the money I absolutely would be racking up 12 IM's and entering the lottery!  And when I do get to do at least one (I can at least dream) I plan to stroll across that line in 16:59 with my head high, 13 hours can eat my shorts.

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2 minutes ago, goughy said:

As a tri geek/tragic as well, if I had the money I absolutely would be racking up 12 IM's and entering the lottery!  And when I do get to do at least one (I can at least dream) I plan to stroll across that line in 16:59 with my head high, 13 hours can eat my shorts.

Don’t dream. Make it a reality. And I bet you you would go a lot quicker than you think.

Its not a dream if you believe! 

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Oh I know I'll get there!  But the time means naught to me, especially now that I'll have to walk the whole run.  I'm a "savour the experience" dude (that's what us slow people call it to make us feel better ;) )

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1 minute ago, goughy said:

Oh I know I'll get there!  But the time means naught to me, especially now that I'll have to walk the whole run.  I'm a "savour the experience" dude (that's what us slow people call it to make us feel better ;) )

Good. 

Gimme notice when you plan to go around. I'd sell my car to be there too. 

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1 hour ago, goughy said:

As a tri geek/tragic as well, if I had the money I absolutely would be racking up 12 IM's and entering the lottery!  And when I do get to do at least one (I can at least dream) I plan to stroll across that line in 16:59 with my head high, 13 hours can eat my shorts.

Wait 12 x Ironman & u can race Kona!!! I’m off to enter the lottery. Can’t wait for the chance to race against my old mate Mr Mundine. 

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2 hours ago, Bored@work said:

Wait 12 x Ironman & u can race Kona!!! I’m off to enter the lottery. Can’t wait for the chance to race against my old mate Mr Mundine. 

We all know you are waiting for AP to die so you can avoid going head to head with him. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Peter said:

We all know you are waiting for AP to die so you can avoid going head to head with him. 

 

We all know Mr Mundine only races HOTW, Port Mac, Kona to avoid going head to head with me. 

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2 hours ago, Bored@work said:

We all know Mr Mundine only races HOTW, Port Mac, Kona to avoid going head to head with me. 

I haven't been on this site too much lately so not up to speed on the Trannies days of our lives, but I did read through this somewhat circular thread.  Sheesh, what happened, did AP root your dog or something (without protection)?

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8 minutes ago, GSP said:

I haven't been on this site too much lately so not up to speed on the Trannies days of our lives, but I did read through this somewhat circular thread.  Sheesh, what happened, did AP root your dog or something (without protection)?

Just his normal arrogant, condensending attitude towards people who have a different opinion to his. He reminds me a lot of Anthony Mundine & Donald Trump. 

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12 minutes ago, GSP said:

I haven't been on this site too much lately so not up to speed on the Trannies days of our lives, but I did read through this somewhat circular thread.  Sheesh, what happened, did AP root your dog or something (without protection)?

Good luck in the marathon next week gsp. 

All that heat training in Bali should pay off. 

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43 minutes ago, Peter said:

Good luck in the marathon next week gsp. 

All that heat training in Bali should pay off. 

Thanks Pete, was only in Bali a week and got sick - well Bali belly thankfully on the last day but for the whole of the following week and was sick for a few weeks prior to going, although did get 90k in whilst at Bali.  Did Gary tell you I was there?  Expectations for the mara are a lot lower, but cramming this and next week in for late training.  If I get 3.15-3.20 I'll be happy, but was planning on under 3.  First entered race of any kind since Cairns '15.

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2 hours ago, GSP said:

Thanks Pete, was only in Bali a week and got sick - well Bali belly thankfully on the last day but for the whole of the following week and was sick for a few weeks prior to going, although did get 90k in whilst at Bali.  Did Gary tell you I was there?  Expectations for the mara are a lot lower, but cramming this and next week in for late training.  If I get 3.15-3.20 I'll be happy, but was planning on under 3.  First entered race of any kind since Cairns '15.

Good luck mate :)

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21 hours ago, Rimmer said:

 

On a related note, I struggle with triathletes I meet who are looking for something in this sport that they probably aren't going to find. Some people think it's a magic bullet to enlightenment .... or some shite ... but I think they're looking at it too deeply. It's a swim, a bike and a run. It's meeting people and enjoying their company, having a race, performing (or not) and not thinking this is the making or breaking of us.  

 

Yeah. I think there are a lot of people who have an unhealthy relationship with triathlon. They are using it as a crutch, an escape or whatever. The longer I'm in the sport, the more obvious that is. You can see it from a mile off. Mark Robson being an extreme example, the fat kid school...

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21 hours ago, Rimmer said:

If you are referring to the same person, I have been reading her IG posts - am not a stalker, but they come up - and she appears to be in a fragile place at the moment. I agree that if she - and people like her - were to withdraw from the sport, the sport would be the lesser for this and their lives may not have been as fulfilled. 

Sometimes getting to the top of the mountain is hard because there is nowhere higher to climb!

I wish her well.

Yeah have to be careful discussing her as I don't want to start sounding denigratory. She needs guidance and IMHO needs to ditch the whole IG thing. 

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On 16/06/2018 at 8:19 AM, IronmanFoz said:

Don’t dream. Make it a reality. And I bet you you would go a lot quicker than you think.

Its not a dream if you believe! 

It's amazing how much talent you uncover with a couple of years of the right training - most of us have far more talent than we realise 

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On 16/06/2018 at 11:46 AM, Bored@work said:

Just his normal arrogant, condensending attitude towards people who have a different opinion to his. He reminds me a lot of Anthony Mundine & Donald Trump. 

At least what opinion or advice is offered is based on experience and can be taken of left. I don't see too much of that coming from a few guys who seem to live here and offer very little.

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40 minutes ago, softy said:

At least what opinion or advice is offered is based on experience and can be taken of left. I don't see too much of that coming from a few guys who seem to live here and offer very little.

Yet when others try to do the same thing he attacks them & gets personal because their view vary from his. 

Just like Donald Trump.

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34 minutes ago, softy said:

At least what opinion or advice is offered is based on experience and can be taken of left. I don't see too much of that coming from a few guys who seem to live here and offer very little.

I think the issue is that the opinion is that it's  "my way or the wrong way" and that anyone who hasn't coached 76 people to KQ isnt worthy of an opinion.. 

Crap like "nobodies training to win kona on a kickr" is completely disproven given the number of pros doing it; out of touch with most agers who want time efficiency/ safety and yet he won't concede or admit another approach might work..  i guess that's his right to "leave it" but he gives as much as he gets  and usually gives with disrespect so doesn't need anyone sticking up for him..

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8 minutes ago, pieman said:

I think the issue is that the opinion is that it's  "my way or the wrong way" and that anyone who hasn't coached 76 people to KQ isnt worthy of an opinion.. 

Crap like "nobodies training to win kona on a kickr" is completely disproven given the number of pros doing it; out of touch with most agers who want time efficiency/ safety and yet he won't concede or admit another approach might work..  i guess that's his right to "leave it" but he gives as much as he gets  and usually gives with disrespect so doesn't need anyone sticking up for him..

Just look at the not sleeping next to your mobile phone thread. I spoke with the guys at my work who specialise in the RF radiation & highlighted he was wrong. He then attacked my sporting ability and me.

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