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2 minutes ago, Peter said:

Finally.  Thankyou.  Not one person has questioned this girl getting a spot doing 15hrs.  She raced.  She came second.  She qualified.

 

Agree....and we all hope she has a cracker of a race, a cracker of a time and a cracker of a journey and keeps on racing for many years to come.

A minority sport yes, a fantastic sport a bigger yes. A sport with fantastic people and diverse opinions - yes.

This is triathlon, this is Ironman. Welcome aboard with wonderful train!!!!!

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The time the qualification is not an issue. Them is  the rules she did her time got her spot, great for her. There are people who have repeatedly called out groups for being weak of mind for not KQ in much harder age groupings.

IE if you are under 50 and not getting KQ on sub 10 then you are not wanting it enough and its 70 & mental. There is nothing limiting at all about being 18 24 and female. Gwen Jorgensen made the US Olympic team for triathlon when 24. Paula Radcliffe made Olympic running finals as a 23 year old. Age is an advantage  for performance.

The 15 hour time is unusual for a KQ, and a function of little interest by younger people in Long distance triathlons. It is one slot so it really has little to zero impact on us all. If re-allocated it would have gone to one more guy who went really fast. So this discussion is a bit moot.

 

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4 minutes ago, BarryBevan said:

The time the qualification is not an issue. Them is  the rules she did her time got her spot, great for her. There are people who have repeatedly called out groups for being weak of mind for not KQ in much harder age groupings.

IE if you are under 50 and not getting KQ on sub 10 then you are not wanting it enough and its 70 & mental. There is nothing limiting at all about being 18 24 and female. Gwen Jorgensen made the US Olympic team for triathlon when 24. Paula Radcliffe made Olympic running finals as a 23 year old. Age is an advantage  for performance.

The 15 hour time is unusual for a KQ, and a function of little interest by younger people in Long distance triathlons. It is one slot so it really has little to zero impact on us all. If re-allocated it would have gone to one more guy who went really fast. So this discussion is a bit moot.

 

I watched a Lionel Sanders video today and he said it is 90% mental so somebody is talking sh*t...

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12 minutes ago, IronmanFoz said:

Agree....and we all hope she has a cracker of a race, a cracker of a time and a cracker of a journey and keeps on racing for many years to come.

A minority sport yes, a fantastic sport a bigger yes. A sport with fantastic people and diverse opinions - yes.

This is triathlon, this is Ironman. Welcome aboard with wonderful train!!!!!

My point exactly. I did say questioned or scrutinized... a comment in relation to such comments at the beginning of the thread on "how many hours training" or the "hard v easy" age group.

Turned up, rolled the dice, got offerred a spot and took it, the same way 79 others did. 

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For qualification could use the AWA system that WTC has in place. This rewards performance and loyalty. But would remove the roll down ceremony as would be similar to the KPR for pro's. Potentially fairer process, but crap!!

Having been to a couple of roll downs I think it is part of the IM experience and true to there catch phase of "anything is possible"

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33 minutes ago, rory-dognz said:

 "anthing is possible"

Fixed that for you

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Its great to see lots of debate about the subject as this is what the page is for. However I really hope the person who the page was started for is not reading this. Although Im sure no one here is meaning to insinuate she was less deserving of a Kona spot than others who raced but Im betting if she read it she would be taking this personally and it would be pretty upsetting. I had a friend a few years back who had an exceptional race and for those who new her we weren't surprised, she combined natural talent and hard work to have a blinder.  Her race was taken apart and debated on this and other chat sites in a similar way to this thread, she was devastated.  By all means continue to debate Kona qualification but perhaps it would be good to shut this thread down and do it else where because lets be honest we want to encourage more people into triathlon especially females. 

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Nothing really wrong with the current policy though our example in this thread is a very unique situation I would think. If the powers that be were think of changing the process a simple policy change is all that is needed ie:

Leave current KQ process in place with roll downs except have a cut off time that is not to unreasonable by global standards and in the rare instances it comes into play the spot goes to another age group as does what happens when nobody takes a spot in a certain age bracket.

 ie:

18 - 24 age group - Can't roll down below 12 Hours

25 -29 age group - Can't roll down below 12 Hours

30 - 35 age group - Can't roll down below 12 Hours

45 - 49 age group - Can't roll down below 12 Hours (13 hours for women)

60 - 65 age group - Can't roll down below 13.5 Hours (15 for women)

70 -74 age group - Can't roll down below 10.5 hours (This ones for AP) ;)

PS: no debate required for the above on times....these are examples only.

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10 minutes ago, Lesmack said:

Its great to see lots of debate about the subject as this is what the page is for. However I really hope the person who the page was started for is not reading this. Although Im sure no one here is meaning to insinuate she was less deserving of a Kona spot than others who raced but Im betting if she read it she would be taking this personally and it would be pretty upsetting. I had a friend a few years back who had an exceptional race and for those who new her we weren't surprised, she combined natural talent and hard work to have a blinder.  Her race was taken apart and debated on this and other chat sites in a similar way to this thread, she was devastated.  By all means continue to debate Kona qualification but perhaps it would be good to shut this thread down and do it else where because lets be honest we want to encourage more people into triathlon especially females. 

I hope she does read this and gets to the end and she will find (in my opinion) that nearly 100% of us think her qualifying is fantastic. I for one hope she goes well as said before, and trains the house down between now and then because as we all know the opportunity to race Kona does not happen very often (for some excluding the great AP). This sport is a hard gig and it rewards us all in different ways. She will learn that and no doubt embrace it...........especially if she reads this thread.

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19 hours ago, Bored@work said:

I would be happier if the spots were allocated by age group but age groups with low number got rolled up into the next age group with a handicap applied. 

This way you don't  have 1 spot for 10 people or less. It's BS & makes a joke out of the qualifying process. Make it a minimum of 50 per bracket etc 

15:2X & getting a spot for Kona is taking the piss. 

If we want the sport to grow, then this isn't the way to do it. If you want young people to step up and have a go, removing the carrot wont make things better. 

It's a series championship based on a set of standards.

What about the guy that goes 2 hrs faster on a different course but doesnt get a kq? Will there then be a proposal to course -grade every result so only the actual best go? 

 

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Didn't WTC once introduce the "Chrissie rule" whereby to get prize money you had to finish within X% of the winner?  Not a bad precedent for eligibility for Kona qualification in my opinion.  Age graded performance won't work overly well because of the huge variation in course design.  A marathon is always a marathon, a 5k is always a 5k but an Ironman could be 3.6/177/41 or 3.9/175/42.

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1 hour ago, Lesmack said:

Its great to see lots of debate about the subject as this is what the page is for. However I really hope the person who the page was started for is not reading this. Although Im sure no one here is meaning to insinuate she was less deserving of a Kona spot than others who raced but Im betting if she read it she would be taking this personally and it would be pretty upsetting. I had a friend a few years back who had an exceptional race and for those who new her we weren't surprised, she combined natural talent and hard work to have a blinder.  Her race was taken apart and debated on this and other chat sites in a similar way to this thread, she was devastated.  By all means continue to debate Kona qualification but perhaps it would be good to shut this thread down and do it else where because lets be honest we want to encourage more people into triathlon especially females. 

Once again. Show me one person on this thread that has said she shouldn’t get the spot. 

No one has said that. 

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31 minutes ago, Stikman said:

Didn't WTC once introduce the "Chrissie rule" whereby to get prize money you had to finish within X% of the winner?  Not a bad precedent for eligibility for Kona qualification in my opinion.  Age graded performance won't work overly well because of the huge variation in course design.  A marathon is always a marathon, a 5k is always a 5k but an Ironman could be 3.6/177/41 or 3.9/175/42.

 

1 hour ago, Turts said:

What about the guy that goes 2 hrs faster on a different course but doesnt get a kq? Will there then be a proposal to course -grade every result so only the actual best go? 

But every AG is doing the same distance at the same event, so the 80 slots are still distributed to the 80 best at that race, be they 18-24F, 70-74M or 35-39M. It just moves everybody along the grade table, so you can still take the best 80.

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1 hour ago, Turts said:

If we want the sport to grow, then this isn't the way to do it. If you want young people to step up and have a go, removing the carrot wont make things better. 

It's a series championship based on a set of standards.

What about the guy that goes 2 hrs faster on a different course but doesnt get a kq? Will there then be a proposal to course -grade every result so only the actual best go? 

 

Is it possible KQ with (I'm guessing) not a whole heap of relevant training and 15 hours is going to screw this girls motivation. She's going to move up an AG and have to go 5 hours quicker to KQ. Another girl in a similar boat, no names mentioned, seems to be struggling and possibly lost to the sport, which would be a shame. Good to encourage kids into the sport, but I'm not sure an easy pathway to the World Championships is the best way to go about it. I think it would have the opposite effect and curtail their time in the sport rather than giving it longevity.

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2 hours ago, Lesmack said:

Its great to see lots of debate about the subject as this is what the page is for. However I really hope the person who the page was started for is not reading this. Although Im sure no one here is meaning to insinuate she was less deserving of a Kona spot than others who raced but Im betting if she read it she would be taking this personally and it would be pretty upsetting. I had a friend a few years back who had an exceptional race and for those who new her we weren't surprised, she combined natural talent and hard work to have a blinder.  Her race was taken apart and debated on this and other chat sites in a similar way to this thread, she was devastated.  By all means continue to debate Kona qualification but perhaps it would be good to shut this thread down and do it else where because lets be honest we want to encourage more people into triathlon especially females. 

What’s the difference to last year when AP tore my race up in Chattanooga apart & continues to bring it up? I have only ever commented on the process & not the person.

 

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51 minutes ago, zed said:

Another girl in a similar boat, no names mentioned, seems to be struggling and possibly lost to the sport, which would be a shame. Good to encourage kids into the sport, but I'm not sure an easy pathway to the World Championships is the best way to go about it. I think it would have the opposite effect and curtail their time in the sport rather than giving it longevity.

I know another girl who raced the 18-24 age group the year I did. Qualified on a 13hr. Then a year later did a 12 something and went again

5 years on in a much harder ag she did a 9 something and off to Kona again. She also is now a successful coach. 

So sometimes getting a ticket to Kona does make the athlete even better. 

SOMETIMES. 

 

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

 

But every AG is doing the same distance at the same event, so the 80 slots are still distributed to the 80 best at that race, be they 18-24F, 70-74M or 35-39M. It just moves everybody along the grade table, so you can still take the best 80.

What I meant was that the current discussion is around the process of allocating spaces across the age groups, with the idea that it should be changed to get the best to Kona, rather than the best that show up in each age group and have the capacity to go. 

My point is that if we start down that slope, the next consideration is the "vaue" of each different event.  Perhaps the guy that missed out in Busso would have qualified in Cairns.   So there could be a push to course-grade the slot allocation. 

The age theory begets the course theory. 

 

I personally think they're both rubbish.  

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21 hours ago, Bored@work said:

 

15:2X & getting a spot for Kona is taking the piss. 

 

1 hour ago, Peter said:

Once again. Show me one person on this thread that has said she shouldn’t get the spot. 

No one has said that. 

 

9 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

I have only ever commented on the process & not the person.

 

 

You may think you're commenting on the process, not the person.  But by saying the fact this person qualified is a joke is, by inference, having a go at the person.  Saying they aren't worthy.  

By saying the time isn't worthy, you're saying the person isn't. 

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4 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

The time the qualification is not an issue. Them is  the rules she did her time got her spot, great for her. There are people who have repeatedly called out groups for being weak of mind for not KQ in much harder age groupings.

IE if you are under 50 and not getting KQ on sub 10 then you are not wanting it enough and its 70 & mental. There is nothing limiting at all about being 18 24 and female. Gwen Jorgensen made the US Olympic team for triathlon when 24. Paula Radcliffe made Olympic running finals as a 23 year old. Age is an advantage  for performance.

The 15 hour time is unusual for a KQ, and a function of little interest by younger people in Long distance triathlons. It is one slot so it really has little to zero impact on us all. If re-allocated it would have gone to one more guy who went really fast. So this discussion is a bit moot.

 

This was why I couldn’t resist raising the question about some AGs being “special”...

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This place has scoffed at people for being above 13 hours or 10 for years including those staunchly now saying how great it is. What it is good luck for being there getting a roll down.

It is one solt, so who would change the system. It's unusual, but not worth changing the model. Age grading would probably have taken out this out lying time. For example a mid 40s man doing 19 min 5 K is a 72 % AG

A 20 year old woman gets the same AG result for doing 20 minutes.

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3 minutes ago, trilobite said:

This was why I couldn’t resist raising the question about some AGs being “special”...

Well some are, typically on the younger and older ages. Younger people tend not to do this stuff in great numbers as they are studying, getting careers going and have things more interesting to do than train 15 hours a week.

Older AG well it can be a challenge getting to the start line. Though this generation are showing that good life time choices will change our thoughts about Age and what you can do.

These AG are generally getting one slot so it does not hurt too much. Yes you could AG and it would not change much, this time was pot luck and a bit of good fortune. Good luck to her, don't think anyone is saying it is a fast time, but it is enough to get there this time.

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2 hours ago, Turts said:

What I meant was that the current discussion is around the process of allocating spaces across the age groups, with the idea that it should be changed to get the best to Kona, rather than the best that show up in each age group and have the capacity to go. 

My point is that if we start down that slope, the next consideration is the "vaue" of each different event.  Perhaps the guy that missed out in Busso would have qualified in Cairns.   So there could be a push to course-grade the slot allocation. 

The age theory begets the course theory. 

 

I personally think they're both rubbish.  

 

I think age-graded performance would bring us to a way more stable point on the slope than where we are currently.

There would still be a allocation of KQ and a rolldown process.Those that don't have the capacity to go (financially, work/family commitments, or just lack of interest) would still decline to go (or not show up).

Port, Cairns, Busso would still be allocated KQ places that may vary in number from year to year.

The only difference is the best performances (which does not mean the fastest overall, but certainly would include the quickest in the vast majority of age groups), would be allocated KQ on merit.

For example, if AP was pushed to an exemplary M70-74 performance by going mano-a-mano (or oldmano-a-mano) with the second place-getter, the KQ list may look something like this:

1. Allan Pitman (Aus), M70-74, 10:16, AGP= 8:03

2. Joseph Bloggskowsky (Rus) M70-74, 10:17, AGP= 8:04

3. Xxxxxx Xxxxxxxx F20-24, 9:43, AGP= 8:08

4 Yyyyyyy Yyyyyyyyyyyy F55-59, 10:23, AGP= 8:12

5. Zzzzzz Zzzzzzz M50-55, 9:08, AGP= 8:13

etc, down to 50th place.

If 12 athletes decline their places, it rolls down to the 62nd AGP place.

Sure it's a contrived, hypothetical example, but with the current system, Joseph would have turned in the second best performance of the race but misses out because he's in a small age group.

Of course someone (in fact most) will miss out, but better those 50 places are offered to those who put in the best performances, irrespective of their age, gender, number of competitors or the depth of competition in their age group.

Edited to add: Times and equivalent performances are totally fabricated for illustration purposes.

Edited by Paul Every
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5 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

The time the qualification is not an issue. Them is  the rules she did her time got her spot, great for her. There are people who have repeatedly called out groups for being weak of mind for not KQ in much harder age groupings.

IE if you are under 50 and not getting KQ on sub 10 then you are not wanting it enough and its 70 & mental. There is nothing limiting at all about being 18 24 and female. Gwen Jorgensen made the US Olympic team for triathlon when 24. Paula Radcliffe made Olympic running finals as a 23 year old. Age is an advantage  for performance.

The 15 hour time is unusual for a KQ, and a function of little interest by younger people in Long distance triathlons. It is one slot so it really has little to zero impact on us all. If re-allocated it would have gone to one more guy who went really fast. So this discussion is a bit moot.

 

It definitely takes longer to mature and peak at the longer distances.

It's why cycling has Under 23s at World Champs and a white jersey in the TDF.

That's (in part) why Gwen was in the US Olympic team at 24 and not winning Kona.

Or why Paula was running in the 5000 metre final at Athens as a 22yo and 10000 metre final at Sydney at 26. Her marathon debut came two years later.

Being 24 might be an advantage in IM if you're racing a 50yo, but not if your racing a 30yo with 6 more seasons of training and racing behind them.

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Just for the record, I have been to Kona - twice - as a spectator. I have no intention of ever racing there as I think I would be miserable and suffer in the heat and winds! Hats off to anyone who does KQ, but if you ever see me qualify, punch me in the head (repeatedly) and send a letter to the WTC that they have lowered their standards! I race for fun and to travel, meet people and experience the race and what it teaches me - I have no interest in titles or trophies. 

Seriously, though, the current rules are the current rules. Just like in the 80s you could pay your money and turn up and race. How fair is that for people who wanted to do Kona and weren't born then? The KQ system, in whatever form, is what makes the race, IMO. It enables the average joe's / female equivalent of Joe able to race the best in the world and be part of something. If we lose that, we lose the essence of the sport and make it too elitist.

Other people have different opinions - that's fair also.

On a related note, I struggle with triathletes I meet who are looking for something in this sport that they probably aren't going to find. Some people think it's a magic bullet to enlightenment .... or some shite ... but I think they're looking at it too deeply. It's a swim, a bike and a run. It's meeting people and enjoying their company, having a race, performing (or not) and not thinking this is the making or breaking of us.  

The young KQ being referred to here has done something that many her age couldn't do in 3 days! Congratulations to her and I hope she has a cracking time, whatever her time. 

 

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5 hours ago, zed said:

Another girl in a similar boat, no names mentioned, seems to be struggling and possibly lost to the sport, which would be a shame. Good to encourage kids into the sport, but I'm not sure an easy pathway to the World Championships is the best way to go about it. I think it would have the opposite effect and curtail their time in the sport rather than giving it longevity.

If you are referring to the same person, I have been reading her IG posts - am not a stalker, but they come up - and she appears to be in a fragile place at the moment. I agree that if she - and people like her - were to withdraw from the sport, the sport would be the lesser for this and their lives may not have been as fulfilled. 

Sometimes getting to the top of the mountain is hard because there is nowhere higher to climb!

I wish her well.

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17 hours ago, zed said:

She's not being questioned, the qualification process and "World Championship" status is being questioned. The qualification process is flawed and calling the race a "World Championship" is a misnomer. 

I think the World Championship tag is historic rather than truly accurate. 

Which is unfortunate. 

I'd love to be able to qualify. But being a Tri nerd, I would want to do a ****ing solid time to do so. Something that I could be proud of. But that's just me thinking aloud. Personally I wouldn't take a charity/lottery slot. Legacy.... Maybe because over time you have earned the opportunity, but it still wouldn't be right in my head. THAT'S HOW MY BRAIN WORKS. Not wanting to devalue or upset anyone. In my opinion, and mine only..... I could not stand at the bottom of the steps at Dig Me Beach and be in a good frame of mind had I not qualified with a solid performance or a LOT of "nearly there" performances over time. 

Weird ay? But that's just my 2 cents worth ✌️

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6 minutes ago, FFF1077 said:

I think the World Championship tag is historic rather than truly accurate. 

Which is unfortunate. 

I'd love to be able to qualify. But being a Tri nerd, I would want to do a ****ing solid time to do so. Something that I could be proud of. But that's just me thinking aloud. Personally I wouldn't take a charity/lottery slot. Legacy.... Maybe because over time you have earned the opportunity, but it still wouldn't be right in my head. THAT'S HOW MY BRAIN WORKS. Not wanting to devalue or upset anyone. In my opinion, and mine only..... I could not stand at the bottom of the steps at Dig Me Beach and be in a good frame of mind had I not qualified with a solid performance or a LOT of "nearly there" performances over time. 

Weird ay? But that's just my 2 cents worth ✌️

i'd take a lottery slot.

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11 hours ago, Paul Every said:

It definitely takes longer to mature and peak at the longer distances.

It's why cycling has Under 23s at World Champs and a white jersey in the TDF.

That's (in part) why Gwen was in the US Olympic team at 24 and not winning Kona.

Or why Paula was running in the 5000 metre final at Athens as a 22yo and 10000 metre final at Sydney at 26. Her marathon debut came two years later.

Being 24 might be an advantage in IM if you're racing a 50yo, but not if your racing a 30yo with 6 more seasons of training and racing behind them.

They are still endurance events. Sure they are going to longer when a little it older, some of that is down to the demands of the shorter events and some from more time in the legs.

They were not limited by being 24 and being 24 is not a massive limiter to athletic performance,.

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34 minutes ago, FFF1077 said:

I think the World Championship tag is historic rather than truly accurate. 

Which is unfortunate. 

I'd love to be able to qualify. But being a Tri nerd, I would want to do a ****ing solid time to do so.

As a tri geek/tragic as well, if I had the money I absolutely would be racking up 12 IM's and entering the lottery!  And when I do get to do at least one (I can at least dream) I plan to stroll across that line in 16:59 with my head high, 13 hours can eat my shorts.

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2 minutes ago, goughy said:

As a tri geek/tragic as well, if I had the money I absolutely would be racking up 12 IM's and entering the lottery!  And when I do get to do at least one (I can at least dream) I plan to stroll across that line in 16:59 with my head high, 13 hours can eat my shorts.

Don’t dream. Make it a reality. And I bet you you would go a lot quicker than you think.

Its not a dream if you believe! 

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Oh I know I'll get there!  But the time means naught to me, especially now that I'll have to walk the whole run.  I'm a "savour the experience" dude (that's what us slow people call it to make us feel better ;) )

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1 minute ago, goughy said:

Oh I know I'll get there!  But the time means naught to me, especially now that I'll have to walk the whole run.  I'm a "savour the experience" dude (that's what us slow people call it to make us feel better ;) )

Good. 

Gimme notice when you plan to go around. I'd sell my car to be there too. 

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1 hour ago, goughy said:

As a tri geek/tragic as well, if I had the money I absolutely would be racking up 12 IM's and entering the lottery!  And when I do get to do at least one (I can at least dream) I plan to stroll across that line in 16:59 with my head high, 13 hours can eat my shorts.

Wait 12 x Ironman & u can race Kona!!! I’m off to enter the lottery. Can’t wait for the chance to race against my old mate Mr Mundine. 

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2 hours ago, Bored@work said:

Wait 12 x Ironman & u can race Kona!!! I’m off to enter the lottery. Can’t wait for the chance to race against my old mate Mr Mundine. 

We all know you are waiting for AP to die so you can avoid going head to head with him. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Peter said:

We all know you are waiting for AP to die so you can avoid going head to head with him. 

 

We all know Mr Mundine only races HOTW, Port Mac, Kona to avoid going head to head with me. 

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2 hours ago, Bored@work said:

We all know Mr Mundine only races HOTW, Port Mac, Kona to avoid going head to head with me. 

I haven't been on this site too much lately so not up to speed on the Trannies days of our lives, but I did read through this somewhat circular thread.  Sheesh, what happened, did AP root your dog or something (without protection)?

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8 minutes ago, GSP said:

I haven't been on this site too much lately so not up to speed on the Trannies days of our lives, but I did read through this somewhat circular thread.  Sheesh, what happened, did AP root your dog or something (without protection)?

Just his normal arrogant, condensending attitude towards people who have a different opinion to his. He reminds me a lot of Anthony Mundine & Donald Trump. 

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12 minutes ago, GSP said:

I haven't been on this site too much lately so not up to speed on the Trannies days of our lives, but I did read through this somewhat circular thread.  Sheesh, what happened, did AP root your dog or something (without protection)?

Good luck in the marathon next week gsp. 

All that heat training in Bali should pay off. 

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43 minutes ago, Peter said:

Good luck in the marathon next week gsp. 

All that heat training in Bali should pay off. 

Thanks Pete, was only in Bali a week and got sick - well Bali belly thankfully on the last day but for the whole of the following week and was sick for a few weeks prior to going, although did get 90k in whilst at Bali.  Did Gary tell you I was there?  Expectations for the mara are a lot lower, but cramming this and next week in for late training.  If I get 3.15-3.20 I'll be happy, but was planning on under 3.  First entered race of any kind since Cairns '15.

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2 hours ago, GSP said:

Thanks Pete, was only in Bali a week and got sick - well Bali belly thankfully on the last day but for the whole of the following week and was sick for a few weeks prior to going, although did get 90k in whilst at Bali.  Did Gary tell you I was there?  Expectations for the mara are a lot lower, but cramming this and next week in for late training.  If I get 3.15-3.20 I'll be happy, but was planning on under 3.  First entered race of any kind since Cairns '15.

Good luck mate :)

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21 hours ago, Rimmer said:

 

On a related note, I struggle with triathletes I meet who are looking for something in this sport that they probably aren't going to find. Some people think it's a magic bullet to enlightenment .... or some shite ... but I think they're looking at it too deeply. It's a swim, a bike and a run. It's meeting people and enjoying their company, having a race, performing (or not) and not thinking this is the making or breaking of us.  

 

Yeah. I think there are a lot of people who have an unhealthy relationship with triathlon. They are using it as a crutch, an escape or whatever. The longer I'm in the sport, the more obvious that is. You can see it from a mile off. Mark Robson being an extreme example, the fat kid school...

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21 hours ago, Rimmer said:

If you are referring to the same person, I have been reading her IG posts - am not a stalker, but they come up - and she appears to be in a fragile place at the moment. I agree that if she - and people like her - were to withdraw from the sport, the sport would be the lesser for this and their lives may not have been as fulfilled. 

Sometimes getting to the top of the mountain is hard because there is nowhere higher to climb!

I wish her well.

Yeah have to be careful discussing her as I don't want to start sounding denigratory. She needs guidance and IMHO needs to ditch the whole IG thing. 

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On 16/06/2018 at 8:19 AM, IronmanFoz said:

Don’t dream. Make it a reality. And I bet you you would go a lot quicker than you think.

Its not a dream if you believe! 

It's amazing how much talent you uncover with a couple of years of the right training - most of us have far more talent than we realise 

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On 16/06/2018 at 11:46 AM, Bored@work said:

Just his normal arrogant, condensending attitude towards people who have a different opinion to his. He reminds me a lot of Anthony Mundine & Donald Trump. 

At least what opinion or advice is offered is based on experience and can be taken of left. I don't see too much of that coming from a few guys who seem to live here and offer very little.

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40 minutes ago, softy said:

At least what opinion or advice is offered is based on experience and can be taken of left. I don't see too much of that coming from a few guys who seem to live here and offer very little.

Yet when others try to do the same thing he attacks them & gets personal because their view vary from his. 

Just like Donald Trump.

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34 minutes ago, softy said:

At least what opinion or advice is offered is based on experience and can be taken of left. I don't see too much of that coming from a few guys who seem to live here and offer very little.

I think the issue is that the opinion is that it's  "my way or the wrong way" and that anyone who hasn't coached 76 people to KQ isnt worthy of an opinion.. 

Crap like "nobodies training to win kona on a kickr" is completely disproven given the number of pros doing it; out of touch with most agers who want time efficiency/ safety and yet he won't concede or admit another approach might work..  i guess that's his right to "leave it" but he gives as much as he gets  and usually gives with disrespect so doesn't need anyone sticking up for him..

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8 minutes ago, pieman said:

I think the issue is that the opinion is that it's  "my way or the wrong way" and that anyone who hasn't coached 76 people to KQ isnt worthy of an opinion.. 

Crap like "nobodies training to win kona on a kickr" is completely disproven given the number of pros doing it; out of touch with most agers who want time efficiency/ safety and yet he won't concede or admit another approach might work..  i guess that's his right to "leave it" but he gives as much as he gets  and usually gives with disrespect so doesn't need anyone sticking up for him..

Just look at the not sleeping next to your mobile phone thread. I spoke with the guys at my work who specialise in the RF radiation & highlighted he was wrong. He then attacked my sporting ability and me.

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