2bruisedplums 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Hi, Any recommendations for long course age group coaches? I have tried a few in the past but want to seek some alternative advise. I'm QLD based but would be ok with an online coach as long as there is regular face-2-face (Skype ok) contact. I have trouble getting to group sessions due to family commitments so the group type coaches are probably not going to work for me. Any recommendations? oh, i've been around for a few years and have done a few ironmans already so not looking for a beginner coach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pieman 1,085 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) www.aptriathlon.com you might have heard of him? edit to add: if you have family commitments and cant make it to group sessions (core and hill repeats in the rain) he might not be for you... Edited May 22, 2018 by pieman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KieranR 1,297 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 I have recently signed up with Sam Warriner ( Former ITU Champ) who is based in Taupo, NZ. I pay $50 a month and this gives me access to any of her pre written plans, i have access to talk when ever i want, (FB, Messenger, can book in Skype) her and her husband also do FB live sessions each week for all her athletes, whether you are 1 on 1 or like me a $50 a month pre written generic plans. I dont have the budget for a 1 on 1 weekly payment personal plan so the $50 a month works for me at the moment. I have found her and Stephen very approachable. The business is called Sweat7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 776 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 HPT had a great day at Port recently across both the full and half IM Pete Clifford has a few online athletes (including me) and is happy to skype. Highly recommended http://highperformancetri.com/head-coaches/peter-clifford/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chappy019 24 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Have had experience with both Tzero and SBR and can speak highly of both. my girlfriend works FIFO and has a program set up through Emma Quinn at Tzero thats set up week to week and participates in group stuff with SBR when back in Bris. Head Coach Rich won Ultra Man last year so knows a thing or 2 about Long Course! Alternatively my experience with SBR has been great as a club that is very welcoming and with Michelle Cooper and David Tabernacle has some pretty knowledgeable coaches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fitness Buddy 1,058 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Brett Sutton 😁😁😁😁😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pieman 1,085 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, chappy019 said: Have had experience with both Tzero and SBR and can speak highly of both. my girlfriend works FIFO and has a program set up through Emma Quinn at Tzero thats set up week to week and participates in group stuff with SBR when back in Bris. Head Coach Rich won Ultra Man last year so knows a thing or 2 about Long Course! Alternatively my experience with SBR has been great as a club that is very welcoming and with Michelle Cooper and David Tabernacle has some pretty knowledgeable coaches. Having watched SBR from the next swim lane for a number of years I haven't been impressed... They seem like a very welcoming bunch if that is what you are after but not sure of the quality of coaching.. some of the things I have heard... trying to coach swimming while swimming themselves.. not sure why I would pay $10 for that? online coaching fees $70 per week? Think I'd take someone with a few more runs on the board, AP, PB3, Tzero or have also heard good things about Matty White online Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,753 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 My advice. Get a coach you actually see and can see you running or riding and swim. You might have flaws or issues etc.. they can pick up. Something an online coach won’t. Brett Sutton once said, you need to see athletes. To see if they are tired or fresh. Something an online coach can’t see. Avoid online 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chappy019 24 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Pieman I don't swim with them so I can't comment on that part of the coaching - but OP asked about online coaches, so the relevance of stroke correction in that environment is zero really isn't it 🤔 If runs on the board is measured purely only by kona qualifiers then you are probably right - I must have missed that in the initial post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyno 1,948 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Where in Qld? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willie 1,335 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Matt Koorey might be worth a look... https://www.mattkoorey.com/ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pieman 1,085 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, chappy019 said: Pieman I don't swim with them so I can't comment on that part of the coaching - but OP asked about online coaches, so the relevance of stroke correction in that environment is zero really isn't it 🤔 If runs on the board is measured purely only by kona qualifiers then you are probably right - I must have missed that in the initial post No offence meant.. my comment re swimming was more about their model of charging for a coached session that had zero coaching.. Regarding runs on the board although AP thinks kona is all that matters i am more interested in who has a good reputation and feedback from fellow back of packers hence why I'd probably approach one of those other names than SBR who i've never seen recommended (until your earlier post..) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2bruisedplums 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, Tyno said: Where in Qld? Gold Coast but Brisbane for work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A2K 895 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, 2bruisedplums said: Gold Coast but Brisbane for work East Coast Cycos or Red Dog in Brisbane. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FFF1077 1,925 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Matt Koorey Coaching. Remove your ego. Listen, learn, succeed. Thread closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cranky 1,282 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Shuffla's wife is Melinda Cockshutt. She got me to Kona. My circumstances are very similar to yours. Can't make group training. When she took me on, I had done one Ironman. Came 15th in my age group from an online training plan. She Coached me to 3rd place in my next one 18 months later and up until Kona. If she was free I would still be with her. But the deal with the husband was that I was allowed to have a coach but only to get me to Kona. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pieman 1,085 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, FFF1077 said: Matt Koorey Coaching. Remove your ego. Listen, learn, succeed. Thread closed. Except he only takes 3 people a year... Thread reopened.. 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willie 1,335 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, Cranky said: Shuffla's wife is Melinda Cockshutt. She got me to Kona. My circumstances are very similar to yours. Can't make group training. When she took me on, I had done one Ironman. Came 15th in my age group from an online training plan. She Coached me to 3rd place in my next one 18 months later and up until Kona. If she was free I would still be with her. But the deal with the husband was that I was allowed to have a coach but only to get me to Kona. Mel was/is a pretty handy triathlete as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oscarjane 29 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Anybody use Mark Turner of Tri Nation ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RunBrettRun 2,230 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) I've just been through this, some very important question in all this. What's your goal at the end of it. Where are you at now (level of ability) How much have you got to spend? Edit to add wow I just realised it was 12 months ago I went through this process. How time flies.. Edited May 22, 2018 by RunBrettRun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 229 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 54 minutes ago, willie said: Mel was/is a pretty handy triathlete as well. I met her at a race , seems like a great person too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cranky 1,282 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 11 hours ago, 2bruisedplums said: Gold Coast but Brisbane for work Come to Trent Grimsey swim sessions at Centenary at 4:15am. Spend another 30 mins after getting in some more volume, shower and off to work. 7 hours ago, Surfer said: I met her at a race , seems like a great person too She is an amazing person. Also understands the whole family commitment thing too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pieman 1,085 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Cranky said: Come to Trent Grimsey swim sessions at Centenary at 4:15am. Spend another 30 mins after getting in some more volume, shower and off to work. She is an amazing person. Also understands the whole family commitment thing too. Yeah up at 3 to leave the GC to swim with the crazies... The second part sounds exactly like AP to!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,822 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Give a couple a call & and see what they are like. It's a partnership & you want to make sure the coach is a good fit for you. The "best" coach may not be the best coach for you. Brettt Sutton may be the best coach in the world but he's not the best coach for me. (It's a respect thing & something I'm not sure I could get over) AP may have coached 200 Kona qualifiers, but I like my warm bed & don't respect the way he attacks people who don't agree with him. After 14 years in the sport I have had three coaches. My first coach got me from 120kg borderline alcoholic to finishing my first Ironman at 82kg. We are still great mates and catch up all the time. My second coach was awesome, but I had lost the passion for the sport, I was a bit of a basket case with work & family stuff at the time. I was sticking to the training to give me something to focus on. My head wasn't in the right space and I was wasting her time. We are still good friends and I respect her a lot. For my next coach I wanted someone who I wasn't friends with. I wanted it to be a business arrangement and one I could just walk away from guilt free if the passion for training wasn't there. I rang a few coaches and had a chat. I told them I want to enjoy racing, have mini goals, I eat hamburgers & donuts and will always put my family & work before triathlons. My current coached said, cool lets work with what hours we have available & btw I love donuts & burgers. 7 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,753 Report post Posted May 22, 2018 Sound advice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cranky 1,282 Report post Posted May 23, 2018 22 hours ago, pieman said: Yeah up at 3 to leave the GC to swim with the crazies... The second part sounds exactly like AP to!! There is one crazy that does exactly that. Common....you know you want to. Just go to bed 1 hr earlier. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trilobite 196 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 I want to know what Ben Greenfield can do for me at these prices (USD): Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goughy 3,188 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 He can bleed you dry! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pieman 1,085 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, trilobite said: I want to know what Ben Greenfield can do for me at these prices (USD): Give you a powerband and align your chakras... His latest thing was penile injections there was quite a good thread on ST calling him out/ridiculing him.. 😁 Edited May 24, 2018 by pieman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,822 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 How many people who get up at 3am to train are still in the sport two years later? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oscarjane 29 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) I Edited May 24, 2018 by Oscarjane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trilobite 196 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 57 minutes ago, Bored@work said: How many people who get up at 3am to train are still in the sport two years later? Sounds like Ben Greenfield can get you “up” round the clock - although whether you use that to ride up Mt Coot-tha in the rain or do something else is a different call 1 hour ago, pieman said: Give you a powerband and align your chakras... His latest thing was penile injections there was quite a good thread on ST calling him out/ridiculing him.. 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RunBrettRun 2,230 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 I'm usually up at 3am. Don't normally get a ride though. Sometimes I get lucky. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,822 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, RunBrettRun said: I'm usually up at 3am. Don't normally get a ride though. Sometimes I get lucky. Probs not doing it right 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-Hasbeen 6,476 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, RunBrettRun said: I'm usually up at 3am. Don't normally get a ride though. Sometimes I get lucky. I must be getting old. I used to still be up at 3 a lot when I was in my 20's. Would often still be on a ride. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AP 2,189 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Bored@work said: How many people who get up at 3am to train are still in the sport two years later? Actually I know of 4 still at it 10yrs later - not getting up as early now but still in the game I find it no problem getting up at 4-4.15 every day when I have strong goals and also commitments to meet someone - over 32yrs I've had times when I have struggled to get out but that passes as I reset goals - I think it takes a special kind of motivation to get up at that time on your own - the people most likely to be able to do it are those who have qualified for their first Hawaii Ironman - they have "The Kona Curse" they'll do anything they have to be held back 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,822 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, AP said: Actually I know of 4 still at it 10yrs later - not getting up as early now but still in the game I find it no problem getting up at 4-4.15 every day when I have strong goals and also commitments to meet someone - over 32yrs I've had times when I have struggled to get out but that passes as I reset goals - I think it takes a special kind of motivation to get up at that time on your own - the people most likely to be able to do it are those who have qualified for their first Hawaii Ironman - they have "The Kona Curse" they'll do anything they have to be held back So not many still in the game then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,753 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, AP said: I find it no problem getting up at 4-4.15 every day I once trained with a girl that moved from Noosa to Melbourne. She said she had to get up at 4am as it was just too hot to train after 9am other than swimming. So I see why you do. Most in Melb and Sydney can also run at lunch and in the early evening. Not something I'd want to do in the middle of summer in Brisbane. Or Perth for that matter when it's hitting 42c each day. (Unless the freo dr is in) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-Hasbeen 6,476 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, Peter said: Most in Melb and Sydney can also run at lunch and in the early evening. Not something I'd want to do in the middle of summer in Brisbane. Or Perth for that matter when it's hitting 42c each day. (Unless the freo dr is in) It does help to prepare you for Kona however, the same as the people I'm swimming with will be OWS right through winter to prepare themselves for the Channel. And it's not that bad running here in Summer once you are used to it, and you are sensible about where you do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pieman 1,085 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 41 minutes ago, Peter said: I once trained with a girl that moved from Noosa to Melbourne. She said she had to get up at 4am as it was just too hot to train after 9am other than swimming. So I see why you do. Most in Melb and Sydney can also run at lunch and in the early evening. Not something I'd want to do in the middle of summer in Brisbane. Or Perth for that matter when it's hitting 42c each day. (Unless the freo dr is in) Early evening is family time and i can get 2 x 30min lunch runs a week if I am lucky (any longer and i need to arrive earlier or stay later which eats at that family time..). Hence why i am doing no training at the moment except bike commuting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,753 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 Just now, pieman said: Early evening is family time and i can get 2 x 30min lunch runs a week if I am lucky (any longer and i need to arrive earlier or stay later which eats at that family time..). Hence why i am doing no training at the moment except bike commuting It's interesting how much a selfish sport Ironman really is. Since having a family I have struggled with training. Be that kids sport on a weekend and weekdays from 3:30-7:30 is a write off and then after kid is asleep its a bit rude to go out swimming or doing a turbo and the wife is like WTF? So before is the only time to train or at lunch (which is a struggle when work is really busy) Before work and home by 7:20am is the only time to train weekdays. I really don't get how people with 2 kids and a partner have balance when training for an Ironman. Something has to give. Be that doing a fast time or family time. I don't believe you can long term have a family and train 15+ hours a week plus a job. Something has to suffer. And at the end of the day, for me Family comes first. Then the job, then triathlons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,822 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 Is that 4 people out of your 74 Kona qualifiers or 4 people out of all the people you have coached? If so the % is still very low. To get up at 3am or 4am I would need to be going to bed about 8pm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,753 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bored@work said: Is that 4 people out of your 74 Kona qualifiers or 4 people out of all the people you have coached? If so the % is still very low. To get up at 3am or 4am I would need to be going to bed about 8pm. Don’t worry. Your daughter can lock the doors and pack the dishwasher before she goes at 10pm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarryBevan 788 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Peter said: It's interesting how much a selfish sport Ironman really is. Since having a family I have struggled with training. Be that kids sport on a weekend and weekdays from 3:30-7:30 is a write off and then after kid is asleep its a bit rude to go out swimming or doing a turbo and the wife is like WTF? So before is the only time to train or at lunch (which is a struggle when work is really busy) Before work and home by 7:20am is the only time to train weekdays. I really don't get how people with 2 kids and a partner have balance when training for an Ironman. Something has to give. Be that doing a fast time or family time. I don't believe you can long term have a family and train 15+ hours a week plus a job. Something has to suffer. And at the end of the day, for me Family comes first. Then the job, then triathlons. This is reality for the 40 plus brigade. While you can still fit in a good number of hours and go okay, the limits are the job, the family time, which are really not limits, they are more important. You can be up early and train, that is until your kid is sick or is scared and needs to be looked after. Spouses have jobs as well and need to be prioritised. Can still get in a solid 12 hours a week though. Challenge is when life starts wearing you down, training breaks you down, sickness fatigue all make for bad dad and not best at work 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mank 229 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Peter said: It's interesting how much a selfish sport Ironman really is. Since having a family I have struggled with training. Be that kids sport on a weekend and weekdays from 3:30-7:30 is a write off and then after kid is asleep its a bit rude to go out swimming or doing a turbo and the wife is like WTF? So before is the only time to train or at lunch (which is a struggle when work is really busy) Before work and home by 7:20am is the only time to train weekdays. I really don't get how people with 2 kids and a partner have balance when training for an Ironman. Something has to give. Be that doing a fast time or family time. I don't believe you can long term have a family and train 15+ hours a week plus a job. Something has to suffer. And at the end of the day, for me Family comes first. Then the job, then triathlons. Change sport. Unless you really have a genuine life-long boner for Triathlon, it does has a very poor ROI for just being fit and healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 2,753 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mank said: Change sport. Unless you really have a genuine life-long boner for Triathlon, it does has a very poor ROI for just being fit and healthy. Nah I just do shorter stuff now. Love the sport. Just can’t do 6 hr weekend bike rides and double day sessions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 2,822 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 54 minutes ago, BarryBevan said: This is reality for the 40 plus brigade. While you can still fit in a good number of hours and go okay, the limits are the job, the family time, which are really not limits, they are more important. You can be up early and train, that is until your kid is sick or is scared and needs to be looked after. Spouses have jobs as well and need to be prioritised. Can still get in a solid 12 hours a week though. Challenge is when life starts wearing you down, training breaks you down, sickness fatigue all make for bad dad and not best at work totally agree, getting up early to train is easy to say for some. My daughter has sports, musical etc & then homework on top of that. By the time we get home, have dinner, do home work & chill on the couch for an hour it's time for her to go to bed. Then it's time to catch up with my wife and discuss adult stuff like work, planning the rest of the week and other commitments etc. My wife had a shit day at work yesterday so it was a late night as she vented. It's called support & spending time with your family. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KieranR 1,297 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 Ill revisit this after Busso in December. I've signed up and this is my life outside of Triathlon Im 36 Wife (stay at home mum studying) 8yr old daughter 5 yr old son Leave home at 0515 start work at 0600 Leave work at 1700, home by 1730 Cannot train during work hours as I am on a gas plant and no feasible way to train in my 30 min lunch break (not allowed outside of gate), and I dont leave my desk for lunch My son has numerous conditions that require a lot of help at home, so plan is be home for dinner at least 3 nights mon-fri ( i wont eat but ill be there), ill cook and do school lunches etc and let wife study, bed routine for the kids takes us normally an hour. Ill then train after everything is done for the evening if its a double training day Morning sessions ill be up and leaving home at 0330 at the latest to get training in and back home for brekkie and get ready for work Doesn't really leave much time for anything really. But will see how we go 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pieman 1,085 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, Bored@work said: totally agree, getting up early to train is easy to say for some. My daughter has sports, musical etc & then homework on top of that. By the time we get home, have dinner, do home work & chill on the couch for an hour it's time for her to go to bed. Then it's time to catch up with my wife and discuss adult stuff like work, planning the rest of the week and other commitments etc. My wife had a shit day at work yesterday so it was a late night as she vented. It's called support & spending time with your family. Sounds like you lead a well rounded life with more to it than triathlon/ sports.. I had someone telling me how hard there last IM build was as a working parent.. they work 1 8 hour shift a week which is 5 mins from home. So pretty much a pro triathlete hours between school drop off.. poor thing.. Same with people who work from home as They've saved 1 to 2 hours a day on travel that can be used elswhere.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AP 2,189 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Bored@work said: Is that 4 people out of your 74 Kona qualifiers or 4 people out of all the people you have coached? If so the % is still very low. To get up at 3am or 4am I would need to be going to bed about 8pm. First thing first - it's 76 qualifiers now Secondly only a few I've known have ever got up at 3am and then it's not every morning But lots regularly get up between 4 and 4.30 - going to bed at 8.30 is not that bad, you sure don't miss any quality on TV - all this angst about getting up early ? What if you were a baker, a butcher? The guy who owns "my coffee shop" is open for business at 5am every day and you'd be amazed how many regular customers he has at that time, all of them have to have been up at least by 4.30am - but the difference is he has passion, for his business, his customers , he has staff come in at 7am and he goes off to do other things, he's just good at time management 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
