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15 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I think we may referring to two different situations

Since the conversation started about buying new running shoes online, I assumed your tilt referred to buying new guns online

Anyone in the business of selling guns online or anywhere else who isn't licensed is violating federal law

 

Glad to know secondhand guns can't kill people.

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52 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Glad to know secondhand guns can't kill people.

I'm a bit weirded out to know that you buy second hand shoes...

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...withdrawn

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This is a very sad state of affairs when people that we disagree with with are actively encouraged to leave the site. 

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10 minutes ago, FatPom said:

This is a very sad state of affairs when people that we disagree with with are actively encouraged to leave the site. 

Yeah, well, that's the 'tolerant' left for you...

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43 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Yeah, well, that's the 'tolerant' left for you...

I don't really see it as left or right. I'm pretty central, slightly right of the middle on some things and slightly left on others, depends what the subject is.

I just think back to what this site was like and what it has become and it just makes me a bit sad.

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8 minutes ago, FatPom said:

I don't really see it as left or right. I'm pretty central, slightly right of the middle on some things and slightly left on others, depends what the subject is.

I just think back to what this site was like and what it has become and it just makes me a bit sad.

Left in terms of behaviour, not necessarily belief

Basically it's 'agree with me or shut up because you're hitler'

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1 hour ago, FatPom said:

This is a very sad state of affairs when people that we disagree with with are actively encouraged to leave the site. 

Yes you are right, and I apologise and withdraw my comment. I’m sorry more!

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12 minutes ago, Rog said:

Yes you are right, and I apologise and withdraw my comment. I’m sorry more!

Good on ya Rog :)  I get that people disagree and I get that people have strongly held views but I hope we don't descend into the situation where folks who are gathered on a site for a politically unrelated topic  ( triathlon) can't still be decent to each other.

There are too many countries now (UK included) where the shouting and polarising from both sides gets very draining.

IMO, Monkie is a great example of how we can get our point across and still be decent to each other. I probably agree with about 25-30% of what he says but I don't vehemently disagree with him.  I'm looking forward to meeting him and doing some races together.  I'm sure we will have some 'interesting' conversations but conversations are indeed, what they will be. :)

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For anyone interested, there’s a very interesting, balanced podcast on the Walmart decision, how it came about and how it could influence other businesses to get on board. 

https://overcast.fm/+LHycDckgY

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45 minutes ago, Rog said:

For anyone interested, there’s a very interesting, balanced podcast on the Walmart decision, how it came about and how it could influence other businesses to get on board. 

https://overcast.fm/+LHycDckgY

Listened to that whilst I was packing my bag for an ultra tomorrow.  Very insightful Rog, thanks.

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Looks like you were no wrong Ex 

“Gun violence in America is not inevitable; it’s preventable,” the business leaders wrote in the draft. “We need our lawmakers to support common-sense gun laws that could prevent tragedies like these.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/12/business/dealbook/gun-background-checks-business.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

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Someone the size of Wallmart can have an impact. There'll be a lot of people hoping the momentum doesn't just die from this.

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39 minutes ago, Rog said:

Looks like you were no wrong Ex 

“Gun violence in America is not inevitable; it’s preventable,” the business leaders wrote in the draft. “We need our lawmakers to support common-sense gun laws that could prevent tragedies like these.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/12/business/dealbook/gun-background-checks-business.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Corporate virtue signalling aside, it appears that your and their idea of 'common sense gun laws' includes background checks on second hand sales and transfers 

Any ideas on how that's going to be enforced? 

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12 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Corporate virtue signalling aside, it appears that your and their idea of 'common sense gun laws' includes background checks on second hand sales and transfers 

Any ideas on how that's going to be enforced? 

In Australia ALL gun sales - new and second hand - requires the use of a registered firearms dealer as a broker who is responsible for the paper work for the transfer.  This is pretty cool as there is government list of firearms, what they are and who owns them.  Thus the police know who owns every single registered firearm and where they are kept.  There are also laws on how you keep them (i.e. a safe bolted to the floor) So you can't simply obtain one, nor can you simply lose one. And of course, you can have them taken off you if your circumstances change.  This is all subject to audit and most people would be too shit-scared of the (serious) consequences of a breach.  And, best of all, a firearm can instantly be identified as illegal, or in the wrong hands with a simple check on serial number.

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14 minutes ago, Pete said:

In Australia ALL gun sales - new and second hand - requires the use of a registered firearms dealer as a broker who is responsible for the paper work for the transfer.  This is pretty cool as there is government list of firearms, what they are and who owns them.  Thus the police know who owns every single registered firearm and where they are kept.  There are also laws on how you keep them (i.e. a safe bolted to the floor) So you can't simply obtain one, nor can you simply lose one. And of course, you can have them taken off you if your circumstances change.  This is all subject to audit and most people would be too shit-scared of the (serious) consequences of a breach.  And, best of all, a firearm can instantly be identified as illegal, or in the wrong hands with a simple check on serial number.

Cool.  Couple of things though:

- Not at least acknowledging the existence of a black market is a bit naive 

- Does our registry include all of the guns which weren't handed back in 1996 (as I understand it at least half and as many as two thirds)?

- the US has over ten times our population, and more guns than people 

- the idea of a gun registry in the US would not be popular as it is contrary to the intended operation of their second amendment 

- since the majority of mass shootings can be linked back to failures of local law enforcement, I don't think the public would be happy to trust them to operate a gun registry 

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15 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Cool.  Couple of things though:

- Not at least acknowledging the existence of a black market is a bit naive 

- Does our registry include all of the guns which weren't handed back in 1996 (as I understand it at least half and as many as two thirds)?

- the US has over ten times our population, and more guns than people 

- the idea of a gun registry in the US would not be popular as it is contrary to the intended operation of their second amendment 

- since the majority of mass shootings can be linked back to failures of local law enforcement, I don't think the public would be happy to trust them to operate a gun registry 

Interesting stat on the number not handed back in the firearms amnesties (there has been more than one) - my personal experience would say that this is not the case but happy to be convince otherwise if you have a reliable source of info.

My personal take on the US is that Australians should worry about Australia and let Americans worry about the USA.  Australians gernally don't understand Americans (even though we think we do) their motivations or their history. In particular, their almost bazaar hatred and mistrust of State and Federal government.  Thus, whilst we (rightly) hold Australia up as having good, workable gun laws it is not necessarily a good model for the USA.  So I tend to agree with you.

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8 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

-since the majority of mass shootings can be linked back to failures of local law enforcement, I don't think the public would be happy to trust them to operate a gun registry 

So of the 283 mass shootings this year (as of Sept 1st) the majority were due to local law enforcement failures?

Such as?

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24 minutes ago, The Customer said:

Does anyone on this thread think that Martin Bryant was set up? :ninja:

They're out there Jimmy,

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50 minutes ago, nealo said:

So of the 283 mass shootings this year (as of Sept 1st) the majority were due to local law enforcement failures?

Such as?

There have been nowhere near that many mass shootings this year.  You're referring to a stat which counts two injuries as a mass shooting

The recent shooter in Odessa for example raised a bunch of red flags and was barred from owning a gun due to mental health issues

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1 hour ago, The Customer said:

Does anyone on this thread think that Martin Bryant was set up? :ninja:

Sadly I’ve see the post shooting video.  

There is zero doubt he did it all. 

Farked if I know how cops do their job. 

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1 hour ago, The Customer said:

Does anyone on this thread think that Martin Bryant was set up? :ninja:

I've heard some weird conspiracy theories before, but that's a new one 

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3 hours ago, The Customer said:

Does anyone on this thread think that Martin Bryant was set up? :ninja:

It's right out of the "we need guns to keep the government honest" playbook. I've heard it from sources that also quote Alan Jones as an expert on Environmental Science. They say it was done to give the Government the opportunity to take our guns off us.

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14 hours ago, The Customer said:

Does anyone on this thread think that Martin Bryant was set up? :ninja:

Everyone's favourite senator thinks that it was a false flag operation.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/pauline-hanson-and-the-ooze-of-port-arthur-conspiracy-mania-20190328-p518js.html

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11 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

It's right out of the "we need guns to keep the government honest" playbook. I've heard it from sources that also quote Alan Jones as an expert on Environmental Science. They say it was done to give the Government the opportunity to take our guns off us.

That's right up there with 'Bush did 9/11 so he could invade Iraq and steal their oil'

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On 13/09/2019 at 9:45 PM, Ex-Hasbeen said:

It's right out of the "we need guns to keep the government honest" playbook. I've heard it from sources that also quote Alan Jones as an expert on Environmental Science. They say it was done to give the Government the opportunity to take our guns off us.

It's funny you should say that - When I handed some guns in back in 1996 the constable at the police station receiving the guns told me that people shouldn't really be handing their guns back and how it was all just a ploy by the government to get guns out of the hands of the people... At the time I didn't know a anything about right wing nutters  and I didn't even understand what he was saying, I just thought he was a little weird.

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7 hours ago, Pete said:

It's funny you should say that - When I handed some guns in back in 1996 the constable at the police station receiving the guns told me that people shouldn't really be handing their guns back and how it was all just a ploy by the government to get guns out of the hands of the people... At the time I didn't know a anything about right wing nutters  and I didn't even understand what he was saying, I just thought he was a little weird.

It's funny how nutty people are obsessed with guns. The scariest person I've met through my job got drummed out of both the cops and the ambos because of conspiracy theories and weird workplace accusations against supervisors/brass. He was the person we all voted as the next Martin Bryant. Used to save up for one week holidays to the states to go to gun shows or firearm factory tours and so forth.

Luckily he moved away from the area and I've never seen him in the media

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Guns are the second leading cause of death for children in the U.S., with nearly 1,700 killed by gun homicides every year, according to Everytown for Gun Safety.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/year-boy-shot-dead-allegedly-year-sibling-mom/story?id=65638384&__twitter_impression=true

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Lieutenant Governor, Republican and in Texas. Change is in the air... 


"Look, I'm a solid NRA guy," he said, "but not expanding the background check to eliminate the stranger to stranger sale makes no sense to me and ... most folks."

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/09/06/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-says-he-will-defy-nra-take-lead-on-gun-background-checks/

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On 13/09/2019 at 7:32 PM, IronJimbo said:

There have been nowhere near that many mass shootings this year.  You're referring to a stat which counts two injuries as a mass shooting

The recent shooter in Odessa for example raised a bunch of red flags and was barred from owning a gun due to mental health issues

No the article I read was "at least 4 people were shot excluding the shooter"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-more-mass-shootings-than-days-so-far-this-year/

 

S where are you getting your information that it's law enforcement letting the people of the United States down?

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On 13/09/2019 at 7:32 PM, IronJimbo said:

There have been nowhere near that many mass shootings this year.  You're referring to a stat which counts two injuries as a mass shooting

The recent shooter in Odessa for example raised a bunch of red flags and was barred from owning a gun due to mental health issues

Feel free to count them

 

Incident Date State City Or County Address # Killed # Injured
September 16, 2019 Wyoming Cheyenne N/A 2 2
September 14, 2019 Missouri Saint Louis 5200 block of Tennessee Ave 1 3
September 14, 2019 California Oakland 38th Ave and MacArthur Blvd 1 4
September 14, 2019 Georgia Lagrange 1400 block of Elm St 0 4
September 12, 2019 New Mexico Albuquerque 1919 Ladera Dr NW 1 3
September 12, 2019 New Mexico Albuquerque 1028 Lura Pl SW 4 2
September 10, 2019 Illinois Chicago 2200 block of W Maypole Ave 0 4
September 8, 2019 South Carolina Sumter 1083 Broad St 2 2
September 8, 2019 Louisiana Alexandria 2900 block of Cypress St 1 3
September 7, 2019 North Carolina Whiteville Brittney Lane 3 1
September 4, 2019 Florida Jacksonville 400 W 62nd St 0 4
September 4, 2019 Louisiana Marrero 3044 Sorbonne Dr 2 2
September 2, 2019 Alabama Elkmont 25019 Ridge Road 5 0
September 2, 2019 North Carolina Greensboro 5528 W Market St 2 2
September 2, 2019 Illinois Chicago 6200 block of S King Dr 0 4
September 1, 2019 Connecticut Hartford 80 Edgewood St 1 3
September 1, 2019 North Carolina Rocky Mount 521 Country Club Road 0 4
September 1, 2019 Alabama Valley 502 Boulevard 0 7
September 1, 2019 Ohio Toledo 3257 Stickney Ave 0 4
August 31, 2019 Pennsylvania Philadelphia 4600 block of 4th St 2 2
August 31, 2019 North Carolina Charlotte 10035 Dabney Dr 1 3
August 31, 2019 South Carolina Moncks Corner 336 Maplewood Rd 0 4
August 31, 2019 Texas Odessa 8250 TX-191 8 23
August 31, 2019 Maryland Baltimore 900 block of N Monroe St 0 4
August 31, 2019 Maryland Frederick 600 block of N Market St 0 4
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August 30, 2019 Alabama Mobile 1621 Virginia St 0 6
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August 29, 2019 Maryland Baltimore 2500 block of E Monument St 1 3
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August 25, 2019 New Mexico Hobbs 1700 block of East Bond St 3 4
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August 23, 2019 Georgia Dublin 200 Riverview Park Dr 0 4
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August 22, 2019 South Carolina Columbia 851 Bush River Rd 2 2
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August 13, 2019 Washington Tacoma E 38th St and E Roosevelt Ave 2 3
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July 30, 2019 Ohio Columbus 1280 E Long St 0 5
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July 27, 2019 Kansas Wichita 505 N Rock Rd 1 3
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July 26, 2019 Washington Kennewick E 10th Ave 1 3
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July 18, 2019 Illinois Chicago 3427 W Fulton Blvd 1 3
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July 16, 2019 Texas San Antonio 6989 San Pedro Ave 0 4
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July 13, 2019 Illinois Chicago 7900 block of S Loomis Blvd 1 4
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7 hours ago, nealo said:

Feel free to count them

           
           

Well for starters I can only see three incidents where ten or more people were killed

And there are quite a lot where nobody was killed at all

Doesn't quite give the impression that there is an El Paso every couple of days, which is the obvious intent of your source

How many of these incidents concurred in the big cities, as I have alluded to before? 

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10 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Well for starters I can only see three incidents where ten or more people were killed

We're not talking about squishing ants here.

Just so I can step away from this thread like all the others, you are right there is no problem with gun violence in the USA.

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Ironjimbo is always right. Anyone who disagrees is labeled a lefty. 

But having never been there he is still an expert on everything USA.

Having visited the country 11 times. Travelled to a lot of the states visiting city’s & county towns etc. I have no idea about the place. 

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29 minutes ago, nealo said:

We're not talking about squishing ants here.

Just so I can step away from this thread like all the others, you are right there is no problem with gun violence in the USA.

I can't recall ever saying that 

But this thread does is a pretty good example of why the debate goes nowhere 

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45 minutes ago, nealo said:

We're not talking about squishing ants here.

Just so I can step away from this thread like all the others, you are right there is no problem with gun violence in the USA.

I told you months ago to just block him. 

He really isn’t a level headed person.  Deep down there is something not right with his mental makeup.  

No person with compassion and a heart and care for others think and puts down in words what he does ( well used to before I blocked him).

His opinions are just off the mark with the general public.

One person being killed with a gun is horrible. Yet he wants to argue the opposite in a weird way. 

He is not someone you’d be friends with off line.

You are a good person and family man.

just block and ignore.  

I just wish you guys wouldn’t quote him, as that’s the only way I see his comments now.   

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3 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I wonder if Peter intended to prove my point, or whether it just turned out that way... 

Sorry Jimbo, I know you off here but you really are coming across as smarmy, uncaring and to be truthful, irritating.

There are people who try and debate things but you just reply with antagonistic one liners. Or if you don't like what is said you ignore it.

Anyway I said I was done yet your one liner got me back :bangin:

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11 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Well for starters I can only see three incidents where ten or more people were killed

ONLY!!!!! 

 

Wow,,,,, just wow!!   

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Yep. Ironjim is one of the mentally ill people that if he lived in the usa would have guns and not see issues with innocent people being shot. 

 

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4 hours ago, nealo said:

Sorry Jimbo, I know you off here but you really are coming across as smarmy, uncaring and to be truthful, irritating.

There are people who try and debate things but you just reply with antagonistic one liners. Or if you don't like what is said you ignore it.

Anyway I said I was done yet your one liner got me back :bangin:

If Peter or anyone else wants to smear me personally instead of offering an intellectually honest rebuttal, I will respond in kind

It is obviously an emotive issue and it should go without saying that one death is too many.  But serious problems don't get solved by pissing contests over who cares the most 

I like to deal in facts rather than emotions, because that approach generally leads to more effective policy. If that means that I come across as unfeeling, that's something I'll have to live with I guess.  But as I said before, if we can't even agree on the starting point because were too busy trying to demonize each other, nothing will ever change

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