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58 minutes ago, Slunnie said:

588 people is a lot of people irrespective of if they compete, but why would you want people to have to pay to go in? There was never a charge in the past, why a new charge?

 

33 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

It’s ironman if they can make money they will. If they have to rent a hall to keep a small percentage of the punters happy, why should everyone pay for it?

I can see WTC doing it, but can you imagine the outcry? You have to pay extra just to be there in the hope you get a roll down.

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

 

I can see WTC doing it, but can you imagine the outcry? You have to pay extra just to be there in the hope you get a roll down.

The same people screaming blue murder, will be the same people lining up to pay the cash. Like the people who whinge & bitch about the active fee but keep entering the races.

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4 hours ago, Bored@work said:

It’s ironman if they can make money they will. If they have to rent a hall to keep a small percentage of the punters happy, why should everyone pay for it?

They should charge people at the aid stations too. I only pick up water on the bike. 

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7 hours ago, AP said:

There's more than a hint of bitterness there - last year I chose not to go to Kona, I had other things I wanted to do - I still went along to the roll downs and to see the guys who got the rolled down places is always heart warming - I love it - it's a real highlight of the weekend - this year one of my squad got a roll down but was not ready to go just yet so he let it roll to the next guy - that guy couldn't believe his luck - it was beautiful 😪

Going into bat for AP here. I suspect he also gets great satisfaction seeing one of his own squad get a spot......

i think it would be gratifying for both coach and competitor!

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On 14/05/2018 at 11:12 AM, Bored@work said:

Just make it an automated online process for roll downs. I'm tipping less then 10% of people who raced actually go to the presentation anyway.

 

This post reminded me of the good old days when you had to qualify for ironman oz or be accepted. I remember rushing home as my wife told me there was a message on the answering machine from some from forster wanting to know if you want to participate in ironman. I was over the moon.

I think the wait from qualifying race to phone call was about 3 or 4 weeks.

Needless to say thing's have progressed a bit technology wise since then.

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I remember having to beg for a spot because my 5:22 on the Gold Coast and 5:30 in Devonport wasn’t good enough. 

Qualification ended the next year which is good because I’ve never gone much faster in a half. 

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8 minutes ago, Shuffla said:

I remember having to beg for a spot because my 5:22 on the Gold Coast and 5:30 in Devonport wasn’t good enough. 

Qualification ended the next year which is good because I’ve never gone much faster in a half. 

I did a 5:15 in Forster and needed to do a 5:12 that year to get in.  Then waiting from November until Jan to get a call from Glenda.  She did and I was in.

Similar in 2004.  The call never came.  Did IMNZ instead. Worst part, had to see the inlaws whilst there.

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I'd never done anything longer than an OD. I'd just broken up with my ex, so was doing a lot more training and thought "what the heck". I wrote off begging, and a few weeks later got the "all good, come on down". That led to the hardest day of my life, but taught me a lot about what I could get through if I really needed to. :)

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15 hours ago, IronmanFoz said:

Going into bat for AP here. I suspect he also gets great satisfaction seeing one of his own squad get a spot......

i think it would be gratifying for both coach and competitor!

Never said it wouldn't be a good for the athlete and coach. I question why they need a stage & a warm venue. It's an added cost to run the event and one most of the paying competitors don't care about.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Peter said:

I did a 5:15 in Forster and needed to do a 5:12 that year to get in.  Then waiting from November until Jan to get a call from Glenda.  She did and I was in.

Similar in 2004.  The call never came.  Did IMNZ instead. Worst part, had to see the inlaws whilst there.

I had a blinder and did a 4.45 in Forster and missed auto qualification by one slot. I was about to head overseas and couldn't do another qualification race. Thankfully someone pulled out within a few days so I got my spot within a week. 

Its amazing the looks you get when you tell people a 4.45 half Ironman wasnt fast enough to qualify. 

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1 hour ago, roxii said:

I had a blinder and did a 4.45 in Forster and missed auto qualification by one slot. I was about to head overseas and couldn't do another qualification race. Thankfully someone pulled out within a few days so I got my spot within a week. 

Its amazing the looks you get when you tell people a 4.45 half Ironman wasnt fast enough to qualify. 

I'm hearing you. My fastest ever Half was  August 1998 in Forster in 4:51( with a 2:30hr bike that I've never been close to again) .Missed out on the auto-qualification and had to sweat it out till Glenda's phone call in January 1999.

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On 14/05/2018 at 5:32 PM, A2K said:

Got an email today regarding Cairns and I only skimmed it but I think it said the Pasta Party is back!  I assume they're talking about pasta the food and not some new political party 😃

Don’t WTC know they should be offering a LCHF alternative (or at very least a gluten free one)?

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On 14/05/2018 at 5:32 PM, A2K said:

Got an email today regarding Cairns and I only skimmed it but I think it said the Pasta Party is back!  I assume they're talking about pasta the food and not some new political party 😃

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7 hours ago, Bored@work said:

Never said it wouldn't be a good for the athlete and coach. I question why they need a stage & a warm venue. It's an added cost to run the event and one most of the paying competitors don't care about.

 

 

Fair call and agree.

Also I was a big fan of the Carbo and Preso and I think for the first timers they miss out with the current format. Having said that I feel the current format works well and should remain........especially if it keeps cost stagnant.... which is seems to have.

Also again....I hated the idea of a rolling swim start.....but again it works.

I think Ironman should be applauded for trying new things etc.

They are adapting.....why can’t we!

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7 hours ago, IronmanFoz said:

Fair call and agree.

Also I was a big fan of the Carbo and Preso and I think for the first timers they miss out with the current format. Having said that I feel the current format works well and should remain........especially if it keeps cost stagnant.... which is seems to have.

Also again....I hated the idea of a rolling swim start.....but again it works.

I think Ironman should be applauded for trying new things etc.

They are adapting.....why can’t we!

What does it work doing?  It doesn't seem to stop drafting and swim deaths at IMAus are still at zero aren't they..?

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Rolling swim starts are here to stay. I won't be surprised when all races are rolling starts. (this allows them to get more people on the course = more money)

If WTC can cut costs and find another revenue stream, they will.  Look at race numbers, for years the old sharpie was good enough. Now you can buy tattoo transfers.

It's a business and they need to make money.

Cutting the carbo & awards nights saves money, puts more money into the local hospitality trade (a lot of the owners will be on the council or friends with someone on the council) For IM it's a smart move, saves money, good for PR & keeps the council happy. 

If there is a demand for a carbo party they could charge $50 a head for everyone to attend & the first timers and people who want to go will still pay it. 

I really like the highlight and promotional videos they played at the old carbo party but I can't justify my family paying $100 for crap food & stinky toilets. We head to a local cafe and chill out as a family before the race. 

 

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Parkside said:

Mass start with everyone creeping before the cannon fires used to be a highlight when Ironman was hard.

It was - I had a few scary moments but survived - little things like that do colour our memories - we used to do "fancy dress" for presentations and go on to the after party at Forster - great memories - now is presentations in the pub yard and home for an early night - where has life gone? :wheelchair: Next year it'll be slippers and a dressing gown at presentations - it'll probably be held in the car park

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1 hour ago, Parkside said:

Mass start with everyone creeping before the cannon fires used to be a highlight when Ironman was hard.

Totally agree.. Although I have only done the one it was at IMNZ and the cannon firing to start the washing machine (which was actually less argy bargy than a standard wave start at Mooloolaba) was  a massive highlight... if they get rid of this at IMNZ, I may not be back there to get my revenge on the course...

 

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26 minutes ago, AP said:

now is presentations in the pub yard and home for an early night - where has life gone? 

It is what you make it Al.

Remember the early days of the Stradbroke Tri with Bill Toohey. Presentation was on the lawn behind the pub, and that certainly didn't turn into a dull night.

1990 at Forster I can hardly remember presentation. My brother nearly finished a bottle of Bundy, and I went most of a carton of XXXX after the finish, so I couldn't have cared less where they put presentations the next day.

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5 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

It is what you make it Al.

Remember the early days of the Stradbroke Tri with Bill Toohey. Presentation was on the lawn behind the pub, and that certainly didn't turn into a dull night.

1990 at Forster I can hardly remember presentation. My brother nearly finished a bottle of Bundy, and I went most of a carton of XXXX after the finish, so I couldn't have cared less where they put presentations the next day.

woah... you really were harder back in the day....

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Just now, pieman said:

woah... you really were harder back in the day....

Too right. I couldn't stomach much more than a mouthful of XXXX these days. Shit it's bad.

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23 minutes ago, pieman said:

Totally agree.. Although I have only done the one it was at IMNZ and the cannon firing to start the washing machine (which was actually less argy bargy than a standard wave start at Mooloolaba) was  a massive highlight... if they get rid of this at IMNZ, I may not be back there to get my revenge on the course...

 

The swim was always called the 'the washing machine' , noone says that anymore

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