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A short 1.6km swim in the rain this morning. Other than the fact I got cold in the rain, it was quite a warm morning this morning, and very surreal in the pre-dawn on a dead calm lake.

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Longest swim for a couple of months, 6k. It could have been a little monotonous but for the synchronised swimmers rehearsing their moves in the next lane. Amazing how much work they're putting in under the water and how long they hold their breath. They warmed up with a set of 10 x 50's..........under water.    

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Just a quick 1.4km this morning as the Blood bank appointment was at 7:15, and the moon was covered by heavy cloud, so very little light early. Quite a warm morning here (18 degrees air temp I think) so it was easy to get in, though it was just a bit difficult getting dried off & warm after the swim in the rain. :)

Great to get in a swim & a plasma donation & still be in the office by 8:15.

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4x100 P/B easy 
24x50(1 fast/1 slow) 
4x100 P/B easy

 

The fast 50's were all out at about 44 - 45 secs per 50 in the 25m pool

slow were easy at 54 secs

 

Bloody weird to attempt fast swimming

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52 minutes ago, FFF1077 said:

Bloody weird to attempt fast swimming

Do it more & it will make the world of difference. What you used to think was hard suddenly doesn't seem that hard anymore.

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16 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Do it more & it will make the world of difference. What you used to think was hard suddenly doesn't seem that hard anymore.

This! 

Yes! 

The 50's after the faster ones felt like nothing. No effort. Yet I was going okay for me. Changes my perception of ouch. 

 

But I will do what is given to me in the program. That's what I aim to do. But next years Winterfish.... Looking forward to it already 

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A bit over 5km this morning. That makes 9 days straight in the dam. Great morning despite the westerlies. These shots were from the far end of the dam, out of the wind.

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600/50/500/50/400/50/300/50/200/50/100/50. Loved it, but it was hard towards the end.

Then 4x400 pull, 200 easy, 100 easy. Longest swim in quite a while, and no cramping.

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33 minutes ago, Nick777 said:

600/50/500/50/400/50/300/50/200/50/100/50. Loved it, but it was hard towards the end.

Then 4x400 pull, 200 easy, 100 easy. Longest swim in quite a while, and no cramping.

How did you do that first bit? How hard were the long reps, and how hard the 50's. What break? Or was the 50 easy, as the rest?

It sounds like an interesting set.

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41 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

How did you do that first bit? How hard were the long reps, and how hard the 50's. What break? Or was the 50 easy, as the rest?

It sounds like an interesting set.

The first 600 was my 'warm up'. The rest of the set was hard-ish but controlled on the 'long' reps, and all of the 50's were 'strong but controlled' - slightly above threshold pace (which for me is around 1.27 pace (I think) at the moment). Some of the rest intervals were determined by letting swimmers go, but generally I tried to keep it not too long. 

 The hardest rep for me was the 300 - just starting to get tired, but you know there's still some solid stuff to come. The 200 felt like 3.00, so I got a nice surprise when I saw the time.

Screenshots below, so you can see the intervals.

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Inspired by @Nick777 (minus any speed ;))

1000/100/500/100/400/100/300/100/200/100/100

 

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6 hours ago, xblane said:

Inspired by @Nick777 (minus any speed ;))

1000/100/500/100/400/100/300/100/200/100/100

 

Nice work.. that's the good thing about winterfish - you can take other people's sets & adapt them to your own pace.

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3.4 at Scarborough.

Seriously considering a membership ther despite parking or lack there of. Love the vibe.

 

I'm a vibe type of person.

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16 minutes ago, FFF1077 said:

3.4 at Scarborough.

Seriously considering a membership ther despite parking or lack there of. Love the vibe.

 

I'm a vibe type of person.

Awesome pool innit. Was it busy?

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Just now, zed said:

Awesome pool innit. Was it busy?

Nup 

I had the boat anchor lane to myself. Wicked in the sunshine. After I finished I went over and watched some of the surfers trying to get waves. Bloody awesome stuff 

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Copying FF1077 with 3.4km also.  3 sets of 4x200 with first 50 fast, then first 100 fast, first 150 fast and finally the whole 200 fast.  20 secs rest between each 200.  Didn't hit the paces I expected, but that's been the story of my swimming for the last few months.  Just can't seem to pick up the pace anymore...

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3.2km this morning. 

Not so lonely at the dam this morning. There was a girl doing yoga at the beach as I was heading out, a kayaker doing fast laps (he's there most days), and another swimmer that has been there the last few days. He's gradually working up to longer distances, and did about 1km this morning, his first trip outside the swimming enclosure. He's also sans wet-suit, and enjoying the brisk mornings. :)

Another beautiful morning out there. I think once if it gets too cold to swim I may just go out & walk the tracks before work, just to enjoy the sunrise.

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22 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

3.2km this morning. 

Not so lonely at the dam this morning. There was a girl doing yoga at the beach as I was heading out, a kayaker doing fast laps (he's there most days), and another swimmer that has been there the last few days. He's gradually working up to longer distances, and did about 1km this morning, his first trip outside the swimming enclosure. He's also sans wet-suit, and enjoying the brisk mornings. :)

Another beautiful morning out there. I think once if it gets too cold to swim I may just go out & walk the tracks before work, just to enjoy the sunrise.

Great way to start the day.

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I did 2km yesterday afternoon, finishing on dusk, and then 3.2km again this morning.

I'm not doing any real speed work, just a few 50m to 200m surges, and some longer effort work, but mainly concentrating on stroke technique. I'm feeling a lot better through the water with all this work, and the consistency is paying off. I'm also still enjoying it, as the challenge to see how long I can keep going as the water cools is appealing to me. I may have to start shortening the swims a bit though, as I'm getting tingling feet as I approach the hour now, but we'll see how we go.

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5 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I did 2km yesterday afternoon, finishing on dusk, and then 3.2km again this morning.

I'm not doing any real speed work, just a few 50m to 200m surges, and some longer effort work, but mainly concentrating on stroke technique. I'm feeling a lot better through the water with all this work, and the consistency is paying off. I'm also still enjoying it, as the challenge to see how long I can keep going as the water cools is appealing to me. I may have to start shortening the swims a bit though, as I'm getting tingling feet as I approach the hour now, but we'll see how we go.

Winter is nearly half over, we'll start to warm up from here. (Not really though, August is usually the coldest month).

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Still chugging away out at the dam. 3.2km this morning. Swam easy to halfway (1:48 pace), then came back at 1:40 pace. I tried a slightly shorter stroke, entering earlier and bringing the hand straight down in the pull. It felt good, and put less strain on my shoulder, so I'll try it for a longer swim tomorrow.

6 degrees forecast for the city tomorrow, which means 4 or 5 at the dam, then a week of days not quite as cold. If I can make it through this, I'm going to try to do an OWS every day this month (the "wet" to go with my "dry July"). The only problem is I fly down to Melbourne for work on the 30th. So if there is anybody in Melbourne that can direct me to an OWS venue for that Tuesday, I'd be very appreciative. 

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10 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Still chugging away out at the dam. 3.2km this morning. Swam easy to halfway (1:48 pace), then came back at 1:40 pace. I tried a slightly shorter stroke, entering earlier and bringing the hand straight down in the pull. It felt good, and put less strain on my shoulder, so I'll try it for a longer swim tomorrow.

6 degrees forecast for the city tomorrow, which means 4 or 5 at the dam, then a week of days not quite as cold. If I can make it through this, I'm going to try to do an OWS every day this month (the "wet" to go with my "dry July"). The only problem is I fly down to Melbourne for work on the 30th. So if there is anybody in Melbourne that can direct me to an OWS venue for that Tuesday, I'd be very appreciative. 

What's the water temp? Is it popular for swimming?

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17 hours ago, zed said:

What's the water temp? Is it popular for swimming?

Water temp is about 17 at the moment, so bearable, but most Qlders don't think so. I'm often the only swimmer there in the mornings in late Autumn/Winter, but in summer there can be a dozen on week days & more on weekends. You also get a few paddlers.

In summer, it's very popular, not just with people swimming distance, but families bring the kids down to play. I've seen the place with probably 200 people there. Summer school holidays are very crowded, but once you've swum a couple hundred metres there's just a few out swimming or paddling.

 

Edit to add: This morning was the first really cold morning for a while, and there was one paddler there at sunrise. As I was getting back in after 3.2km, the regular guy was heading off, so I swam with him a bit further, and as we were getting out, another 2 turned up. I was in full wetsuit & booties, the rest of us in budgies.

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Could someone please add 2.2 to my Fri tally. I have a problem with my pc and for some reason I’ve never been able to access the winterfish scorecard with my iPhone.

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6 hours ago, Mike Del said:

Could someone please add 2.2 to my Fri tally. I have a problem with my pc and for some reason I’ve never been able to access the winterfish scorecard with my iPhone.

Done

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This morning was a rude shock. 2 degrees at home before I left (still the same when I got home), and probably 4 degrees at the dam. The water felt colder too. I only did just over 2km, but it knocked my confidence about getting through July. Two more days of this weather forecast before it gets back up close to double figures in the morning.

Edit to add. I just saw the Samford Valley weather station was 0.2 this morning. No wonder the back yard was white when I got home.

 

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

This morning was a rude shock. 2 degrees at home before I left (still the same when I got home), and probably 4 degrees at the dam. The water felt colder too. I only did just over 2km, but it knocked my confidence about getting through July. Two more days of this weather forecast before it gets back up close to double figures in the morning.

Edit to add. I just saw the Samford Valley weather station was 0.2 this morning. No wonder the back yard was white when I got home.

 

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So what do you think the water temp is at the moment?

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16 minutes ago, Nick777 said:

So what do you think the water temp is at the moment?

16 to 17. Another couple of days of this & it might drop another 1. The days are warming up to 21, and it's full sun, so that will keep it from getting too cold. Wednesday is forecast for 25 at the moment. That should be nice. :)

 

It was beautiful out there today though. Because the water was so much warmer than the air, there was a thick mist about a metre deep gently moving across the lake in the light westerly. The buoys are bright yellow and a metre high, but you couldn't see them till you were about 10m from them.

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I've just started using a HRM with my 735XT (thanks Willie) and have done 2 x swims. One was 4km, the other about 2km. They haven't been fast ones, but the 4km swim I did do a period of a bit over 1km where I was probably at 1:36/100 pace. What I've found is when going at a steady pace (probably the pace I would do 10km or 2hr) my HR is about 115bpm, rising to 125 at the start of the hard km, and finishing at 137. It then dropped down under 125 within a minute on settling back to steady pace.

Does this sound about right for those that also swim with a HRM? I would have thought it would be a little higher. Last time I could run hard, if I used the same RPE as the km I did harder in this swim, my HR went straight to 150, then started rising from there.

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On 14/07/2018 at 9:15 AM, Ex-Hasbeen said:

This is for those that complain about crowded lanes at the pool.

 

 

haha that's awesome

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I've just started using a HRM with my 735XT (thanks Willie) and have done 2 x swims. One was 4km, the other about 2km. They haven't been fast ones, but the 4km swim I did do a period of a bit over 1km where I was probably at 1:36/100 pace. What I've found is when going at a steady pace (probably the pace I would do 10km or 2hr) my HR is about 115bpm, rising to 125 at the start of the hard km, and finishing at 137. It then dropped down under 125 within a minute on settling back to steady pace.

Does this sound about right for those that also swim with a HRM? I would have thought it would be a little higher. Last time I could run hard, if I used the same RPE as the km I did harder in this swim, my HR went straight to 150, then started rising from there.

That sounds way off. I don't use a HRM for swimming, but I'd guess I'd be 140s if I was doing 1km, 160s for say 200m at 75%, 170s for hard 100s. Even if I ran at my slowest I don't think I could get it down to 115, I'd have to run/walk. But then everyone is different with HR? Are you wearing a wetsuit?

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6 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

16 to 17. Another couple of days of this & it might drop another 1. The days are warming up to 21, and it's full sun, so that will keep it from getting too cold. Wednesday is forecast for 25 at the moment. That should be nice. :)

 

It was beautiful out there today though. Because the water was so much warmer than the air, there was a thick mist about a metre deep gently moving across the lake in the light westerly. The buoys are bright yellow and a metre high, but you couldn't see them till you were about 10m from them.

Is all this cold water swimming as prep for something?

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26 minutes ago, A2K said:

Is all this cold water swimming as prep for something?

Maybe. :whistling:

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12km week. 

Feel great in the water at the moment. Awesome. 

 

Won't make the 100 but I'll have fun trying 

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9 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

16 to 17. Another couple of days of this & it might drop another 1. The days are warming up to 21, and it's full sun, so that will keep it from getting too cold. Wednesday is forecast for 25 at the moment. That should be nice. :)

 

It was beautiful out there today though. Because the water was so much warmer than the air, there was a thick mist about a metre deep gently moving across the lake in the light westerly. The buoys are bright yellow and a metre high, but you couldn't see them till you were about 10m from them.

I swam at the Bondi pool last Sep, and it was 17. I didn't feel the pool before I dived in, and couldn't believe how cold 17 degrees was. My head pounded after 100, and I said to my wife that if she gave me ice-cream, it would alleviate my ice cream headache.>>! But after 200, my a weird thing happened - my body kind of went numb, and I swam another 800 in total comfort. I was able to sit around in the pool for a while after the swim, totally comfortably. Mind you - it was a beautiful, warm sunny day. Not sure how I'd go if it was bloody freezing outside.

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Had a solid week - 15.4k, which is getting up there (for me).

I had to back the 'intensity' off a little over the last 3 swims, because I'm starting to feel a bit of fatigue set in.. still, I topped the week off with 4.5k, which is my longest swim in a couple of years. 

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1 hour ago, Nick777 said:

My head pounded after 100, and I said to my wife that if she gave me ice-cream, it would alleviate my ice cream headache.>>! But after 200, my a weird thing happened - my body kind of went numb, and I swam another 800 in total comfort.

Exactly how I describe it to people. I get brain freeze in the first 50m & it's gone by 200m. I did 5.3km in it last weekend, and 4km in it yesterday, and like you say, you know it's cold, but you can keep swimming because you're numb to it.

I feel fine afterwards, as long as I either keep moving, or have heat applied from external, eg hot sun, car aircon & heated seat etc. Unfortunately your body has lost a lot of heat, so as soon as the external source is removed, you start feeling cold again. I've had the shivers start up 30 minutes later when I get out of the car and come inside the house, even though it's heated to 23.

Good work with the long swim Nick.

 

I measure my weeks from Sunday to Saturday. I went 27.6km this week, which is my biggest week this year, and what makes me even happier is that this week, and the few weeks either side of it last year, I did nothing. Wrapped to have a goal and still be swimming through the Winter. :)

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Was supposed to go this afternoon but was feeling tired and flat. I have signs of mental over training / fatigue and pushing myself when I don't feel like it isn't helping. Backing it off for a while...

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Only did 1km this morning. Hopefully I’ll do some open water once the tide comes back in 

but hard to beat this pool

 

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Jealous Limited. That's Hamilton Island isn't it? If so, I've done a lot of lengths in that pool, waiting for the family to come down, then straight into the buffet breakfast behind those screens to the right.

I didn't get wet this morning, as it was Clover's 2nd birthday today, and we had a small party for her. Planning on a couple km on the way home this afternoon.

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Yep. Hamilton island. kept smelling bacon as I was swimming. Don’t think we want to leave

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7 minutes ago, Limited said:

Yep. Hamilton island. kept smelling bacon as I was swimming. Don’t think we want to leave

First time we went with a family, we had one kid in a pram. That made it real easy to pack morning tea from the pastry buffet before we left. :)

If they still have the same chef as last time I was there, ask for omelets. He makes them up in front of you, and they're to die for.

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My biggest week for a long time too, 25k. Mainly just distance and form with little speed. Think I’ve only ever bettered that distance  about 30 years ago. Helps a bit by dropping the running now the GC Marathon is over. 

This weeks swimming will be up there as well then I’ll be tappering off leading into the Magnetic Island swim.

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22 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Maybe. :whistling:

Next year or the year after?

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I can't believe we're not halfway through this encore yet! 

2.4km today. 

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9 minutes ago, A2K said:

Next year or the year after?

Have to get my youngest through Grade 12 next year, then we're spending all our money on an OS holiday at the end of that year, so if possible, 2 years, but more likely 3.

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