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1 hour ago, Limited said:

Managed 20 x 100 today held 1:50 for the first 15 then slipped to about 1:55 and could feel my form slipping.

Was going on 2:15 is this too much rest? Yes I know I'm slow but at the start of winter fish I couldn't hold 2:00 for more then 5

If you are trying to build your endurance, then it's probably a little too much, though you were starting to fall at the end. 15 seconds is plenty of recovery. 25 seconds is normally considered a speed session. I'd bring it down to 2:10 and see how you go. Maybe slow slightly to 1:55 and try to hold that all the way through. If you manage that, then try 2:05.

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Only 1.3km to go now. This should work out perfect with me hitting my target in an OWS at sunrise on the Winter Solstice.

 

If anybody is interested in the "Ice-Mile", we are at Enoggera Reservoir at 6am tomorrow.

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@Ex-Hasbeen I would have struggled to believe people were doing this kind of volume in anything other than the ocean around this time of year! Great stuff :)

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2 hours ago, Limited said:

Managed 20 x 100 today held 1:50 for the first 15 then slipped to about 1:55 and could feel my form slipping.

Was going on 2:15 is this too much rest? Yes I know I'm slow but at the start of winter fish I couldn't hold 2:00 for more then 5

That's quite a big main set. Maybe do a warm-up, some drills and a main set of 10 x 100m focusing on form, you should be able to come in 1.40 on a 2 min cycle. Personally I focus on the quality of the set rather than the volume. i.e smaller main set, but quicker. And mix it up. Seems a lot of tri-squads tri swim sets are built around 100s and to a lesser extent 50s and 200s. Try doing some 400m main sets. You should find it really hard if you've been mostly doing 100s. I'm not sure of the relevance of 100m sets for long course swimming.

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32 minutes ago, xblane said:

@Ex-Hasbeen I would have struggled to believe people were doing this kind of volume in anything other than the ocean around this time of year! Great stuff :)

It's getting cold now. Last week it was cold to get in, and cold once you got out and the blood started flowing again. Now I actually feel the cold while I'm swimming as well. And I think the girl beside me in the bus started to worry when I started shivering about 5 minutes into the ride. :)

It's 18 degrees in the water, but I suppose the fact that the air temp is single figures makes your arms cold every stroke. And the brain freeze lasts longer all the time too. Another week & that will do me for morning swims. I might see if it's warmer in the afternoon.

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33 minutes ago, zed said:

That's quite a big main set. Maybe do a warm-up, some drills and a main set of 10 x 100m focusing on form, you should be able to come in 1.40 on a 2 min cycle. Personally I focus on the quality of the set rather than the volume. i.e smaller main set, but quicker. And mix it up. Seems a lot of tri-squads tri swim sets are built around 100s and to a lesser extent 50s and 200s. Try doing some 400m main sets. You should find it really hard if you've been mostly doing 100s. I'm not sure of the relevance of 100m sets for long course swimming.

Thanks Zed. Its not something I would normally do, more of a test to see where I'm at and a mental test to push all the way to the 20. Not sure how many I could do coming in on 1:40. my best sprint is only about 1:35 :sadwalk: . I did the 400m set you posted the other day and really enjoyed it.

1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

If you are trying to build your endurance, then it's probably a little too much, though you were starting to fall at the end. 15 seconds is plenty of recovery. 25 seconds is normally considered a speed session. I'd bring it down to 2:10 and see how you go. Maybe slow slightly to 1:55 and try to hold that all the way through. If you manage that, then try 2:05.

Taking this and what Zed said I'll try and shorten the rest and the number of repeats

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1 hour ago, Limited said:

Thanks Zed. Its not something I would normally do, more of a test to see where I'm at and a mental test to push all the way to the 20. Not sure how many I could do coming in on 1:40. my best sprint is only about 1:35 :sadwalk: . I did the 400m set you posted the other day and really enjoyed it.

 

I'm glad you enjoyed them, I hate em! But they've helped my overall endurance.

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36 minutes ago, zed said:

I'm glad you enjoyed them, I hate em! But they've helped my overall endurance.

maybe enjoy was the wrong word.... felt good once they were done

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6 hours ago, zed said:

That's quite a big main set. Maybe do a warm-up, some drills and a main set of 10 x 100m focusing on form, you should be able to come in 1.40 on a 2 min cycle. Personally I focus on the quality of the set rather than the volume. i.e smaller main set, but quicker. And mix it up. Seems a lot of tri-squads tri swim sets are built around 100s and to a lesser extent 50s and 200s. Try doing some 400m main sets. You should find it really hard if you've been mostly doing 100s. I'm not sure of the relevance of 100m sets for long course swimming.

It's funny...I am focusing more on volume than quality at the moment - specifically trying to build up to a regular (at least once a week) 4.5-5k session. I am just trying to get some sort of a base back.. To do this, I am telling myself...'don't worry so much about the quality, just get the distance done'.. I've managed a couple of 4k sessions recently, which I hadn't done for quite a while. Also, 400's have replaced 100's for the time being. And it's weird...the speed* is seeming to come along anyhow.

It's a nice feeling to do some 400 reps & see that you are 10 seconds or so faster than it 'felt'... been a while.

 

But seriously...nothing beats consistency. Well done to all who are swimming at this time of year.

 

 

*relative term...!

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53 minutes ago, Nick777 said:

And it's weird...the speed* is seeming to come along anyhow.

I've found the same thing. I'm doing big miles (for me anyway) and all open water, so very little real speed work. The first section of my swim goes a little over 800m to a buoy, then I turn out to the dam proper. I always take a look at the time when I get to the buoy. This morning was real cold, and I swim slowly at first to get my breathing right, then a bit of breaststroke to keep my head up till it the pain goes away, so probably 100m of real slow swimming. I got to the buoy nearly a minute faster than I was doing 3 months ago. That probably means 1:30 if I wasn't mucking around at the start. And it didn't feel hard.

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Yeah this was good fun. I'll be back in next year for sure. Aiming for 100 

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As it’s only the middle of winter I’m going to challenge myself to continue for another 50 days and 50 kms

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2 minutes ago, Limited said:

As it’s only the middle of winter I’m going to challenge myself to continue for another 50 days and 50 kms

I think I'll do the same. Mine may be heavily weighted to either end though, when the dam is still bearable now, and the pool opens in early August. :)

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On 17/06/2018 at 6:02 PM, FFF1077 said:

Did 2km at the Cockburn pool. 

Great facilities. 

Lane to myself outside. 

No access to my dongle to upload the file. 

Didn't happen then 😊xx

On 18/06/2018 at 8:46 AM, Flanman said:

I'm sitting here with nine stitches in my elbow and a divot in my check - just wishing to swim. You lot enjoy yourself swimming. I'll be back in two weeks.

FM

 

Is the ocean an option?

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We had 9 along for the inaugural Brisbane Ice Mile this morning. Not really Ice, but the water temp was 15 near the beach area, and 17 out at the turn, so it was pretty cold. This completed my 125km target for Winterfish, so I'm stoked.

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Thanks to everyone on here, because I know that without Winterfish, my togs & goggles would have been in the bottom drawer a few weeks ago now, and I'd be having a much harder time kicking off next Spring. And that's the whole point behind Winterfish.

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Great work Trannies.

I trust I’ll survive 13C on Sunday at CDA 70.3. 

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58 minutes ago, pieman said:

I'd head to the pre race IV tent just to be sure...

Can they put Seasol into the drip? It helps plants deal with frost. She'll be right. :)

 

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3.3km winter solstice swim *

 

 

*in a 25m indoor pool 😂😂😎💪🤘😁😁😁😁

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Done! And with 3 days to spare.  Well, it kept me motivated - let's see how I can keep myself motivated for the month of July.  That''ll be tough...

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5 minutes ago, BogFrog said:

Done! And with 3 days to spare.  Well, it kept me motivated - let's see how I can keep myself motivated for the month of July.  That''ll be tough...

5 out of 12 completed, and Limited with only 1.7km to go is a good chance. Well done to all who made it, and better luck (or motivation) next time to those who didn't.

As BF said, let's try to keep motivated for July. I know my local pool reopens in the 2nd week of August, so if I can keep swimming through July, I'll have an easy start to the season. Something I haven't had for 30 years. :)

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It's been great fun. 

If I hadn't have contracted the worst man flu ever.....and missed 12 possible swimming days.... I would have gotten close to the 100 

 

Thanks all. 😎👌

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Yeah well done all. Hoping to finish off tomorrow 

FFF you only signed on for 50 so you smashed that goal. :thumbs_up:

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56 minutes ago, Limited said:

Yeah well done all. Hoping to finish off tomorrow 

FFF you only signed on for 50 so you smashed that goal. :thumbs_up:

Yes, we'll give him that. I moved the goal posts after he signed up. 

It must be the manager coming out in me. :)

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On 20/06/2018 at 7:04 PM, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I've found the same thing. I'm doing big miles (for me anyway) and all open water, so very little real speed work. The first section of my swim goes a little over 800m to a buoy, then I turn out to the dam proper. I always take a look at the time when I get to the buoy. This morning was real cold, and I swim slowly at first to get my breathing right, then a bit of breaststroke to keep my head up till it the pain goes away, so probably 100m of real slow swimming. I got to the buoy nearly a minute faster than I was doing 3 months ago. That probably means 1:30 if I wasn't mucking around at the start. And it didn't feel hard.

Interesting, hey.. 

Case in point...tonight, after my warm up, I did 5x200 on 3.25, with a goal of being under 3.05 on each; the sequence went 3.01, 2.59, 2.59, 2.57 & 2.52 - that last 200 was my fastest in about 5 years, and fresher, I could have probably knocked off 3-4 seconds. I haven't done my 'staple' of 100's on 10-15 seconds rest for about 4-5 months, it's just been a matter of consistency.

Hang in there people, try to turn the 50 days in to 100, then 150 etc etc.

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2.8 today in a last minute sprint but it's not going to be enough.... consistency is key and disappearing off to Singapore and on holidays for a week did for me, even for the baitfish! To next year!

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On ‎20‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 4:05 PM, Nick777 said:

It's funny...I am focusing more on volume than quality at the moment - specifically trying to build up to a regular (at least once a week) 4.5-5k session. I am just trying to get some sort of a base back.. To do this, I am telling myself...'don't worry so much about the quality, just get the distance done'.. I've managed a couple of 4k sessions recently, which I hadn't done for quite a while. Also, 400's have replaced 100's for the time being. And it's weird...the speed* is seeming to come along anyhow.

It's a nice feeling to do some 400 reps & see that you are 10 seconds or so faster than it 'felt'... been a while.

 

But seriously...nothing beats consistency. Well done to all who are swimming at this time of year.

 

 

*relative term...!

I've found that the 400s have helped with my racing, I'm finishing strong and not feeling any fade. Which makes me think, are a lot of tri coaches doing it wrong with their swim sets. Very much swim orientated, with a lot of sets built around 100s, which is very relevant for swimming 50m or 100m in a race, but we swim 2 - 4km in a race...

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1 hour ago, zed said:

I've found that the 400s have helped with my racing, I'm finishing strong and not feeling any fade. Which makes me think, are a lot of tri coaches doing it wrong with their swim sets. Very much swim orientated, with a lot of sets built around 100s, which is very relevant for swimming 50m or 100m in a race, but we swim 2 - 4km in a race...

Interesting.. 

An old friend of mine was a very (very) good swimmer turned triathlete - and he said that you can't really go wrong with 100's & 400's. 100's tend to get me good at 100's...but no matter how good I was getting at them, I always felt that I was lacking endurance.

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I found 100's helped my endurance, but only if I was doing them hard, and with minimal rest. Doing 20 x 100 on 1:45, holding 1:25 doesn't help your 4km time. Doing 20 to 40 x 100m on 1:35 holding 1:27 - 1:30 will.

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11 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I found 100's helped my endurance, but only if I was doing them hard, and with minimal rest. Doing 20 x 100 on 1:45, holding 1:25 doesn't help your 4km time. Doing 20 to 40 x 100m on 1:35 holding 1:27 - 1:30 will.

But that depends where your weakness is. If you can swim 1km under 15mins, but can't get faster than 1:25 for 10x100 on 1:45, then I'd suggest working on speed, ie doing 100s on 2:00 would be beneficial as well.

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100s on 2:00 until I couldn't stay under 1:50.

3.1km

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I think I just put my foot in it. Midnight till dawn swim planned for the Summer Solstice now. :)

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16 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I think I just put my foot in it. Midnight till dawn swim planned for the Summer Solstice now. :)

Awesome 

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18 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I think I just put my foot in it. Midnight till dawn swim planned for the Summer Solstice now. :)

Are you trying to get us kicked off the dam?

SEQWater aren't

happy about the swimmers there now

 

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14 hours ago, Mike Del said:

Are you trying to get us kicked off the dam?

SEQWater aren't

happy about the swimmers there now

 

Why? 

Too much wee in the drinking water...?

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10.0 in the river today.

Time for the neoprene swim beanie. Could have used something thicker than the basic Orca open water suit tho! 

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7 hours ago, Turts said:

10.0 in the river today.

Time for the neoprene swim beanie. Could have used something thicker than the basic Orca open water suit tho! 

Turts, you're tough. Im impressed. 

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22 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Turts, you're tough. Im impressed. 

More stupid.

Was cold and some certain word were said! 

 

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8 hours ago, BogFrog said:

First opportunity for me to miss a session and I do. Bah! Need a winter fish mark II

BogFrog, Limited & I are both chasing an additional 50km in the next 50 days, so why don't you join us. Keep your own spreadsheet unless you know how to modify the current one, but keep yourself honest with regular updates on here.

We drove 7 hours to Rocky yesterday. I felt shocking when I got up this morning, but the recce I did last night showed a 50m pool 600m from the motel we were in, so I went down & did 2.2km this morning before anybody else got up. I feel great now.

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It's a great pool, and get this. Only $2 entry.

 

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12 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

BogFrog, Limited & I are both chasing an additional 50km in the next 50 days, so why don't you join us. Keep your own spreadsheet unless you know how to modify the current one, but keep yourself honest with regular updates on here.

We drove 7 hours to Rocky yesterday. I felt shocking when I got up this morning, but the recce I did last night showed a 50m pool 600m from the motel we were in, so I went down & did 2.2km this morning before anybody else got up. I feel great now.

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It's a great pool, and get this. Only $2 entry.

 

Ive heard it's never really busy there either..

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Excellent..... I've just signed up for a trial pool & gym membership at Centenary Pool. $30 for 30 days.

I only selected 50k for this 2nd challenge as I'll take a month off swimming after the Magnetic Isl to Townsville swim in late July  

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9 hours ago, Limited said:

As I found the spreadsheet a great motivator I've updated to include part 2. Same as before enter your name and distance and then go out and swim.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0ltu7NoBh8ma2X2ZJ4zh0n1-hzmuweuujYI7e_Hak8/edit#gid=0

YEOW 😎🤘

Except that I can't go silly. Not full silly anyway 

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I'll try out Mackay pool in the morning, or maybe the 20m pool downstairs. 

Go to the Memorial pool for me ex please. 

I really really ****ing miss swimming there. That's where I "taught" myself to swim. Millions of great memories 😊✌️

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1 hour ago, FFF1077 said:

Go to the Memorial pool for me ex please. 

I really really ****ing miss swimming there. That's where I "taught" myself to swim. Millions of great memories 😊✌️

I just google mapped it. 600m from where we are at the Lanai Riverside, so it looks like an easy walk again in the morning. :)

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