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2 hours ago, zed said:

Or a roo. 2 guys at Busso were hit by roos!

They could install a 5 metre high fence all along the bike course to take that risk away.

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4 minutes ago, A2K said:

They could install a 5 metre high fence all along the bike course to take that risk away.

What about the bush fire that caused them to cut the bike course short??

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What was the year the swim had massive waves?  

I wonder what the optional swim for conditions like that will be. 

They still need and out and back course just in case. 

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Ironman are missing a huge business opportunity here. The course should be 10 x 380m which would keep everyone safe and allow those that refuse to do the swim work ample opportunity to walk along the beach for 100m every lap.

 

Further business idea, enter 3 months before the race you get 1 lap taken off the swim course!

Become an AWA, skip 2 laps.

I could keep going, but I am scared they will implement.

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Why in the full IM would they change going around the jetty????  bizarre. That's the iconic bit.

Yes. They get precious about the swim leg...pity they don't reduce the height of some hills (obv not Busso) when the going gets tough on some cycle/run legs.

 

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I can't blame Ironman for changing the swim course. If the SLS geezer is making the calls then swim cancellations are out of their control. 

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There are a bunch of reasons for the changes

First off it appears that one of the reasons for the drop in numbers is the whole shark thing,this is not something I understand as I never give it a thaught but if you are the RD you need to take this into account.Since 2000 there have been 15 fatal shark attacks in WA mostly in the south busso and beyond.

I suspect that IM now need to be seen to be addressing peoples concerns as do TWA with the May event.Sad but true but if the perception is that being closer to shore helps peoples head space then so be it.

SLS have also had some input into it and feel they can cover a closer in 2 lap swim easier.

If IM and TWA don't take on board what is being said by SLS and there was an issue it becomes a minefield.

I said previously some months ago that in the early days of IM in Busso prior to the jetty having better access from the water as it does now we should not have been swimming that far out to Sea.If you take away the jetty no RD in their right mind would lay a course that sends competitors 2k out to sea.This was originally a request from Busso Shire to showcase the jetty and because the Jetty swim had been around for years.

Before you flame me think about this,it is a fact that a percentage of the competitors who do IM WA from overseas have never swum in the ocean prior to Busselton and the Asian competitors of which there are many absolutely shit themselves because they don't swim train anyway.

So are we pandering to the lowest common denominator.....yes we are,IM is no longer the event for a field of hard arses and the number of competitors who are bluntly bloody hopeless and are totally undertrained is increasing and the average finish time continues to increase because these people do it as a bucket list thing.

So if im IM and im running a business and I need bums on seats to make a profit I pander to the numptys because not all of us are tough guys.

Do I agree with it, no I don't, but I understand why.

The Sport is Changing we have less people like AP who gets up before he goes to bed,and more and more very average people doing this stuff for different reasons.

 

 

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Snipit from an email I just got

 

Incorporating the superb Busselton foreshore start that we know that you love, the new loop courses see swimmers stay closer to shore, meaning less exposure to the weather, better swim conditions and hopefully plenty of swim PBs!

Time for me to find a new sport :wallbash:

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I must be the minority, i couldn't care less about swimming around the jetty, i just want to do the event, whether the swim is along the coast or out to sea 2 km, i honestly dont care.  I get why they have done it though, i guess they kinda had to.  I look forward to racing there this December....if ironman ever get back to me about transferring rego from Cairns.....anyone know how to get hold of them other than FB messenger?

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I've swim around the jetty and it was awesome. 

But I understand why the change. 

I love the Taupo swim as people can walk and follow it from on high. 

This is at beach level so not as good. 

Last above, my concern is when there are waves. 

They still need and out and back for those conditions 

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49 minutes ago, A2K said:

Snipit from an email I just got

 

Incorporating the superb Busselton foreshore start that we know that you love, the new loop courses see swimmers stay closer to shore, meaning less exposure to the weather, better swim conditions and hopefully plenty of swim PBs!

Time for me to find a new sport :wallbash:

If the swim is easier, will this still be the hardest race in Australia.

 

I liked the jetty swim it was the only highlight of the race for me.  The bike is bat shit boring & the run has about 2km with spectators. The rest is nice (looking at the ocean on a tough days is a little cruel) but it's basically 42km of the same thing.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Triatx said:

I said previously some months ago that in the early days of IM in Busso prior to the jetty having better access from the water as it does now we should not have been swimming that far out to Sea.If you take away the jetty no RD in their right mind would lay a course that sends competitors 2k out to sea.This was originally a request from Busso Shire to showcase the jetty and because the Jetty swim had been around for years.

Before you flame me think about this,it is a fact that a percentage of the competitors who do IM WA from overseas have never swum in the ocean prior to Busselton and the Asian competitors of which there are many absolutely shit themselves because they don't swim train anyway.

So are we pandering to the lowest common denominator.....yes we are,IM is no longer the event for a field of hard arses and the number of competitors who are bluntly bloody hopeless and are totally undertrained is increasing and the average finish time continues to increase because these people do it as a bucket list thing.

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To be honest I've spent my whole life in the ocean surfing, diving, OWS, tris etc and am more comfortable than most in the ocean, but yeah take away that jetty, swimming 2km out to sea is not a good thing. There's certainly no way I'd swim 2km out to sea in Gracetown, Yallingup etc with or without a jetty.  So I can imagine a weak swimmer with little OWS experience would proper shit themselves. I think it's the right call, disappointed as I am.

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1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

Last above, my concern is when there are waves. 

They still need and out and back for those conditions 

What do you mean?

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36 minutes ago, zed said:

What do you mean?

If there are waves crashing onto the beach, trying to swim along it will be impossible.

They need a course that goes out and back in the event if there are waves crashing in

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5 minutes ago, Peter said:

If there are waves crashing onto the beach, trying to swim along it will be impossible.

They need a course that goes out and back in the event if there are waves crashing in

Gotcha. Good point.

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That is sad to lose such an iconic part of the race at IM Busso. Fully agree with Triax's comments too. I am a  slow swimmer more than a weak swimmer, but love the swim leg as it was around the jetty.

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13 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

Does Busso ever get waves. Maybe a bit of swell out the end of the jetty but I have never seen waves there.

Only in storms really I think

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42 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

Does Busso ever get waves. Maybe a bit of swell out the end of the jetty but I have never seen waves there.

One of the early years it was big.  I love waves and i remember the footage and PJ was flying off the top.  It was an ugly year.

So it might only be once every 10 years but they need a good alternative for when it does.  And that might be 1k straight out and back x 2

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23 hours ago, Waza said:

Hmm what about an alternate course that runs closer to the shore so those that get a little tired mid-swim can wade or stand for a breather?

I resemble that remark😱

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2013 I did IMWA and swum around the jetty. Great swim and we walked out to the end of the jetty the day before. Made you appreciate it more.

Iconic yes. We all like to swim to something or run to something etc.

for those who are not impressed perhaps you should voice your opinions to Ironman.... and tell the race director it’s the reason why you are swapping to another race.

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1 hour ago, IronmanFoz said:

for those who are not impressed perhaps you should voice your opinions to Ironman.... and tell the race director it’s the reason why you are swapping to another race.

They won't give a shit if you're heading to one of their other races instead.  Fewer races with the same number of athletes means bigger profits.  Tell them you're looking for a race that's a real Challenge.

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Just tell them you are heading to a different race with a challenging & interesting course. 

I was always interested in doing IM Sweden or Austria (can't remember now) because the bike went out across some massive bridges. I also wanted to do IM Wisconsin because the run went through a massive football stadium. 

The jetty swim was the one thing different Busso had going for it. That & Jesters pie shop

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17 hours ago, A2K said:

They could install a 5 metre high fence all along the bike course to take that risk away.

 

17 hours ago, zed said:

What about the bush fire that caused them to cut the bike course short??

Well, what about a 5m high fireproof fence...   You can never be too careful! 

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