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Van Vlerken Calls out Ryf for not attending a few pro functions and getting special treatment

Worth the call out or simply sour grapes?

** Can't workout how to grab a few quotes from the article sorry**

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Full article:

http://yvonnevanvlerken.eu/index_htm_files/Newsletter Yvonne van Vlerken Juli - 2 2017.pdf

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I get where she is coming from, but isn't it an athlete's choice whether to attend the events around a race??? 

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What a Load of codswallop

DR is the best in the world because she ticks all the boxes

 

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Thats nothing compared to the twitter-storm thats exploded from calling the Pro panels "Men talk" and "Girls-talk"..... 

The argument which always then boils down to .......

....you are an Iron......person!!

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Just now, johan said:

Thats nothing compared to the twitter-storm thats exploded from calling the Pro panels "Men talk" and "Girls-talk"..... 

The argument which always then boils down to .......

....you are an Iron......person!!

Not about the gender of male v female. It's the labelling of girls rather than women. 

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Always disliked van vlerken. Something about her personality just irks me. From the drafting off hubby back in the day to the stupid video in the shower with the white tri suit. 

Sutto hit the nail on the head about some pros being in it for the lifestyle..... 

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19 minutes ago, willie said:

Always disliked van vlerken. Something about her personality just irks me. From the stupid video in the shower with the white tri suit. . 

Okay so you are gay.  Nothing wrong with that.

 

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3 hours ago, johan said:

Thats nothing compared to the twitter-storm thats exploded from calling the Pro panels "Men talk" and "Girls-talk"..... 

The argument which always then boils down to .......

....you are an Iron......person!!

Do you have a link to that?

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Few people having a go at witsup for recognising the winner of Jonkoping 70.3, Lisa Huetthaler, known drug cheat.

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5 minutes ago, AA7 said:

Few people having a go at witsup for recognising the winner of Jonkoping 70.3, Lisa Huetthaler, known drug cheat.

Unfortunately, once you've served your drug ban, you're free to win any race you want, even if the effects of the previous drug taking gives you an unfair advantage long past the end of that ban.

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Yeah it's not like criminals haven't done crimes again after getting out of jail

oh hang on.

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I support all efforts to stop the filthy drug cheats. Get them out of the sport. It should be a life bans not 4 years.

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Sounds like pre-race sledging to me. Anything to get into the competition's head and create some doubt - any kind of doubt.

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Seen Van Vlerken drafting her ass off with my own eyes. Zero respect for her. I guess if she can't win races on her own talent, playing the sponsor/media game is all she has. Ryf wins because she makes it happen in the choices she makes.

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While I understand Suttos desire to drive the line of long course pro triathletes being warriors and more professional at racing etc etc. there's always two sides to the situation. The race organisation has assembled sponsorship money to run the race and pay prize monies amongst other things. The sponsors put up the money looking for exposure of their product during the race and pre and post race activities. They pay the money expecting to see the pro athletes in front of their product banner or using their product.  

When a pro athlete signs a contract for the race this is part of the agreement in the contract. 

Sutto cleverly glossed over one bit. Unlike WTC races, Challenge races and Roth in particular, include in their Pro contracts a stipulation for attending and participating in pre and post race activities as required. 

If it's good enough for all the other pro's to turn up, then perhaps Ryf could have been even more "professional" as Sutto puts it, and attended at least one of the required events. 

I bet she's the first to complain when her cheque doesn't turn up in the Mail on time because sponsors and race management are going through the list of what she attended and what she missed. Sponsors don't cough up money for no shows.  They want to see a return on their sponsorship investmentand when they don't, that's when the arguing starts. 

Good on Yvonne for calling Ryf out on this one. It needed to be done. No one ever saw Chrissie Wellington dodge the pre and post race activities and she still won the race a few times. Now who was her coach??? Yeah I know........ Doesn't add up does it.

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Different personality types Greydude. I'm pretty sure Challenge aren't complaining about the publicity the Trisutto camp bring to their races. :P

And Van Vlerken? Didn't even notice she was racing.

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1 minute ago, The Customer said:

Different personality types Greydude. I'm pretty sure Challenge aren't complaining about the publicity the Trisutto camp bring to their races. :P

And Van Vlerken? Didn't even notice she was racing.

Correct

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TC,

personality has little to do with it. You can be a high strung hard to get a long With athlete or laid back happy go lucky, and still turn up for the required race activities. 

Your comment about training camps/ squads and relative publicity is moot. Depending on where you are located and your particular focus, will depend on where you bring publicity (good and bad) for the race. Besides Ryf, how many people could tell you that their was a trisutto squad there? Probably the same can be said for the various European squads (some of which are huge like Van Lierdes squad from Germany) and their relative publicity they bring.

Or it could be argued that a small group of 20 athletes forming the IMTalk Roth camp crew would have provided the widest level of publicity via their daily podcast from the camp and race. It also helps they had some old "hack" named Scott Molina along for the camp and Racing Roth for the first time. 

hope you didn't make the assumption I am a fan of Yvonne. Far from that, but I respect her action to call out a fellow professional when it's required. Should be a bit more of it.

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1 hour ago, Greyman said:

They want to see a return on their sponsorship investmentand when they don't, that's when the arguing starts. 

Challenge and their sponsors got plenty of return using Ryf as the main draw in the lead up to the race.

The entire focus of the lead up to the Women's Race was whether Ryf would break Chrissie's record or not.

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Greyman, you took the term 'camp' too literally. I wasn't referring to a training camp. I was talking about the professionalism of Sutto athletes as a whole and the way careers are managed within that group. Far better for the athlete to win Roth than to be seen at a 'party'. Ryf manages her sponsorship commitments with the utmost professionalism and I'm sure Challenge aren't complaining about her presence in the race and the media interest it generated.

The secret to Sutto's success is that athletes are treated as individuals - what worked for Chrissie may not work Ryf. The differences between extroverts and introverts has never been more obvious in this particular case and Sutto respects these differences.

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personality has little to do with it. You can be a high strung hard to get a long With athlete or laid back happy go lucky, and still turn up for the required race activities. 

No-one is bigger than the sport or the rules 

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It's up to the race organizers to call her up on the no show.  If it's in her contract & there is a non-compliance, they can deal with it.

Not everycontract is the same.  

She may have requested an exemption.

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4 hours ago, Bored@work said:

It's up to the race organizers to call her up on the no show.  If it's in her contract & there is a non-compliance, they can deal with it.

Not everycontract is the same.  

She may have requested an exemption.

Spot on

if she had it in her contract then she would have shown up 

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According to her Facebook comment, (ryf) , all the commitments and appearances challenge required of her are set down weeks in advance and she met everyone of them.  It appears the parties she "didn't attend" were not part of her contract.  She indicated that when she had finished her career she will be more than happy to "party".

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8 hours ago, AP said:

No-one is bigger than the sport or the rules 

 

7 hours ago, The Customer said:

Tell that to Alister Brownlee :D

They way some of you are going on, you'd think that elite athletes never put themselves first or something.

Gee. Brownlee has never won Kona. He is nothing in this sport. 

Ryf is the all time best. 

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TC, no need to defend Sutto and his ways. We are all aware of how he manages his athletes. What you inferred was his camp or team brings great exposure and value to the race. I countered on that point. I believe that there are many other groups who provide just as much, if not more, value to the race. It's all history now. Time to look forward to next year and the Collins Cup comp.

bored@ work, you're right that the race organisation should have called her out. But Felix who runs Challenge is a smart business man and clever operator. He has let this play out amongst the pro peer group and on social media. none of which has caused Ryf to spit the dummy and refuse to race Roth again. 

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57 minutes ago, Greyman said:

 

bored@ work, you're right that the race organisation should have called her out. But Felix who runs Challenge is a smart business man and clever operator. He has let this play out amongst the pro peer group and on social media. none of which has caused Ryf to spit the dummy and refuse to race Roth again. 

Did u miss this post GM ? Don't let the facts get in the way of a good "story"

3 hours ago, Cat Lady said:

According to her Facebook comment, (ryf) , all the commitments and appearances challenge required of her are set down weeks in advance and she met everyone of them.  It appears the parties she "didn't attend" were not part of her contract.  She indicated that when she had finished her career she will be more than happy to "party".

 

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So what I get from this is...

Ryf is smart and negotiated her contract prior to the event. She can do this because she's got the runs on the board. I'd say she got paid more appearance fees then most other made total including appearance/prize money and sponsor performance bonuses. 

VV is having a sooking because her contract was different and maybe she thought they'd all be the same. She doesn't have the power or runs on the board to dictate terms like Ryf. She's jealous of Ryf. 

Challenge can't thank VV enough for creating drama and providing some great coverage for all of to talk about. Given that other iron distance was on the same day and I couldn't tell you who won there in the men is indication of how much I cares about that one. The drama of Roth has been gold. 

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On 14/07/2017 at 0:47 PM, willie said:

She doesn't have the power or runs on the board to dictate terms like Ryf. She's jealous of Ryf. 

This is the basis of the whole thing - out here in the big wide world - who gives a ---- :lol:

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On 7/14/2017 at 6:51 PM, Greyman said:

IP, no story, you missed the point. 

He isn't the only one...

 

You said Felix should have called her out.  On what exactly? She did everything expected of her in HER contract. 

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I'm shocked AP is in India.

I thought he only ever did Kona.

Must be his MRS doing a horse event. 

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Just now, Peter said:

I'm shocked AP is in India.

I thought he only ever did Kona.

Must be his MRS doing a horse event. 

Nah 

he has gone there to put in for a scaffolding contract 

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53 minutes ago, The Customer said:

What are they saying about in India?

Oh it's big - could change the face of the whole sport as we know it :lol:

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1 hour ago, The Customer said:

What are they saying about in India?

Heh, I'm in India right now (Hyderabad to be exact...).  I'm not hearing anything about this topic.  I'll check the Tuk Tuk mafia who have the pulse and report back.  Stay tuned.

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5 hours ago, RunBrettRun said:

He isn't the only one...

 

You said Felix should have called her out.  On what exactly? She did everything expected of her in HER contract. 

I'm not a fan of YVK at all but did Ryfs contract say she could warm up longer than anyone else? 

With regards to the other stuff, I look at it like this. You can stay at the office longer than your allotted hours but if your output is less than someone who leaves at 5.00 on the dot, then what are you achieveing?

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