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13 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I think the biggest issue with people doing low carb diets, is that they go high fat, but they don't reduce the carbs enough, so just end up with a high fat diet, and their body keeps running on carbs.

That and increasing protein too much and finding kidneys can't handle it..

Lady at work turns up eating chicken salad (with low fat dressing) every day and is being lauded for being so healthy and doing so well for losing 2kg..

I eat the same but add avocado, feta, olive oil or full fat egg mayo and I'm 'a low carb loony" but I'm not the one raiding the charity chocolates at 2pm..

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19 hours ago, pieman said:

Cardiologists.... possibly the one group with more to lose than the food industry from people going lower carb.. 🤔

Did doctors and medical specialists keep quiet about cigarettes and asbestos to maintain patient numbers?    Besides I don't believe they'd be loosing anything, after all they are cardiologists and their practices are in the US.... the home of deep fried everything.

Anyway I believe there's still a lot of ambiguity as to whether this diet is good or bad for you in the long term. What the American cardiologists were telling me was a properly managed HFLC and Keto diets are often a viable option for an obese person, however they're seeing so much more heart disease in fit men who have been on this diet for quite some time. Men they shouldn't be seeing the disease in. That was their observations anyway. 

I think my diet work pretty well for me, I'm 56 and I've been within 2 kilos of my race weight for the last 30 years. I used to eat a lot of carbs and protein while avoiding very fatty food (apart from pastries) and I've only really ran out of fuel and bonked badly in a marathon once. These days I do avoid bread and eat a lot of kale but that's about the only change I've made.  

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37 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

Did doctors and medical specialists keep quiet about cigarettes and asbestos to maintain patient numbers?    Besides I don't believe they'd be loosing anything, after all they are cardiologists and their practices are in the US.... the home of deep fried everything.

As a generalisation the people with those diets tend to go to the doctor only when it is too late, and then big Pharma probably makes much more out of them than the actual doctor fees.

Doctors probably like the healthier people that turn up 90% hypochondriac and ask them to identify why their mobility in one ankle is better than the other much more than Trailer Park Betty coming in to have the tv remote removed from between the 4th and 5th rolls of fat for the 3rd time this year and get her pill box restocked

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53 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

Did doctors and medical specialists keep quiet about cigarettes and asbestos to maintain patient numbers?    Besides I don't believe they'd be loosing anything, after all they are cardiologists and their practices are in the US.... the home of deep fried everything.

Anyway I believe there's still a lot of ambiguity as to whether this diet is good or bad for you in the long term. What the American cardiologists were telling me was a properly managed HFLC and Keto diets are often a viable option for an obese person, however they're seeing so much more heart disease in fit men who have been on this diet for quite some time. Men they shouldn't be seeing the disease in. That was their observations anyway. 

I think my diet work pretty well for me, I'm 56 and I've been within 2 kilos of my race weight for the last 30 years. I used to eat a lot of carbs and protein while avoiding very fatty food (apart from pastries) and I've only really ran out of fuel and bonked badly in a marathon once. These days I do avoid bread and eat a lot of kale but that's about the only change I've made.  

Gotta make you wonder though did years of bad diet actually cause the issue

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21 hours ago, RunBrettRun said:

Gotta make you wonder though did years of bad diet actually cause the issue

Well don't really know, it was just several conversations ...... but these were 2 specialists in the mid 60's talking about a definite increase in diseased hearts in fit men, with HFLC a common denominator. Good luck to anyone on HFLC diets but they certainly said enough to convince me not to take it up.

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19 minutes ago, Mike Del said:

Well don't really know, it was just several conversations ...... but these were 2 specialists in the mid 60's talking about a definite increase in diseased hearts in fit men, with HFLC a common denominator. Good luck to anyone on HFLC diets but they certainly said enough to convince me not to take it up.

Based on your comments about being within cooee of your raceweight for 30 years then you probably dont need to take it up anyway..

but for the majority of people who are sensitive to carbs or insulin resistant, you will be 100kg if you look at a carb even when training for IM...

Do you disagree that most people could reduce their carb intake? i.e, why did you reduce bread? I get that there is still negativity about increasing fat and I agree that there are some who see this as a licence to be drinking bacon milkshakes and deep frying everything...

I think most people would say that they eat too many carbs and would also find if they reduced them they'd lose weight and feel better and that's just reducing carbs not going fully crazy LCHF. add to that some healthy protein and fat like but salmon or other oily fish, avocado,nuts and loads of veges ( i eat veges for breakfast). Not sure what is so unhealthy about this...

 

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I personally am wary of any diet that eliminates whole food groups. Think the key is simply to eat quality. I like the approach specified by Matt Fitzgerald etc "eat everything, but make sure its high quality". Those who are the top of their respective sports seem to follow this approach so I can only assume it works (genetics aside). 

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12 minutes ago, dazmuzza said:

I personally am wary of any diet that eliminates whole food groups. Think the key is simply to eat quality. I like the approach specified by Matt Fitzgerald etc "eat everything, but make sure its high quality". Those who are the top of their respective sports seem to follow this approach so I can only assume it works (genetics aside). 

What diet eliminates whole food groups? actually, i guess LCHF does advocate eliminating 'processed foods' 

 

 

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10 hours ago, pieman said:

What diet eliminates whole food groups? actually, i guess LCHF does advocate eliminating 'processed foods' 

A pet hate of mine is when people hear 'no carbs' when someone says 'low carb'. This is where the 'fad' commentary starts. There's nothing 'fad' about LCHF, you just cut out plenty of refined, sugar laden foods and raise the intake of healthy fats.

The only diets that eliminate entire food groups are vege/vegan types - ironic that it's almost universally revered and never considered a 'fad' diet. The nutritional world has been screwed by mercenaries looking for their cut with little regard for what they're doing to people's health..

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On 07/09/2018 at 3:03 PM, pieman said:

Based on your comments about being within cooee of your raceweight for 30 years then you probably dont need to take it up anyway..

but for the majority of people who are sensitive to carbs or insulin resistant, you will be 100kg if you look at a carb even when training for IM...

Do you disagree that most people could reduce their carb intake? i.e, why did you reduce bread? I get that there is still negativity about increasing fat and I agree that there are some who see this as a licence to be drinking bacon milkshakes and deep frying everything...

I think most people would say that they eat too many carbs and would also find if they reduced them they'd lose weight and feel better and that's just reducing carbs not going fully crazy LCHF. add to that some healthy protein and fat like but salmon or other oily fish, avocado,nuts and loads of veges ( i eat veges for breakfast). Not sure what is so unhealthy about this...

 

I agree with Dazza.  What most people should do is improve the quality of  their carbs, mostly by increasing vegetables and decreasing foods with added refined sugars.  The actual proportion of carbs is rarely the problem.

In fact, it sounds like you mostly agree, in practice.  The breakfast you describe does sound like a healthy balance of macronutrients.  I also eat loads of vegetables, including for breakfast at least 5 or 6 days per week.  Almost all vegetables, as I'm sure you know, are very low in fat and have modest amounts of protein.  A variety of vegetables (which I aim for) would have about 80+% of calories from carbs, about 15% from protein and about 5% from fat.  Just eating vegetables would be a very high carb diet (though generally quite healthy).  Good idea to balance it out with something like salmon or nuts.  I usually throw in an egg or two, (because it is so simple), or separately have some unsweetened yoghurt with berries.  It's a healthy, balanced diet, built predominantly on quality carbs, just like the murderous cartel/conspiracy of doctors/researchers/ big pharma recommend.  It sounds like its also pretty similar to your balanced diet as well.  You've left me pretty confused as to why you keep insisting on a "low carb" message at the same time as (sensibly) advocating eating more ("loads of") carbs.

Really, you wouldn't find an argument, anywhere, if you just said "Most people in our society would be much better off slashing refined sugars from their diets."  Of course they would.  That's a different proposition.  But demonising "carbs" is STOOOPID, since it would mean eliminating nearly every known fruit and vegetable, which you clearly don't propose.

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13 minutes ago, wetspot said:

I agree with Dazza.  What most people should do is improve the quality of  their carbs, mostly by increasing vegetables and decreasing foods with added refined sugars.  The actual proportion of carbs is rarely the problem.

In fact, it sounds like you mostly agree, in practice.  The breakfast you describe does sound like a healthy balance of macronutrients.  I also eat loads of vegetables, including for breakfast at least 5 or 6 days per week.  Almost all vegetables, as I'm sure you know, are very low in fat and have modest amounts of protein.  A variety of vegetables (which I aim for) would have about 80+% of calories from carbs, about 15% from protein and about 5% from fat.  Just eating vegetables would be a very high carb diet (though generally quite healthy).  Good idea to balance it out with something like salmon or nuts.  I usually throw in an egg or two, (because it is so simple), or separately have some unsweetened yoghurt with berries.  It's a healthy, balanced diet, built predominantly on quality carbs, just like the murderous cartel/conspiracy of doctors/researchers/ big pharma recommend.  It sounds like its also pretty similar to your balanced diet as well.  You've left me pretty confused as to why you keep insisting on a "low carb" message at the same time as (sensibly) advocating eating more ("loads of") carbs.

Really, you wouldn't find an argument, anywhere, if you just said "Most people in our society would be much better off slashing refined sugars from their diets."  Of course they would.  That's a different proposition.  But demonising "carbs" is STOOOPID, since it would mean eliminating nearly every known fruit and vegetable, which you clearly don't propose.

Quite simply,  because it is possible to eat a lot of vegetables and be LOW carb...

As you've said most people could/should replace their refined carbs with vegetables.  I just choose to believe that some veges (and fruit particularly) are better for me than others..

How many carbs in a massive bowl of salad vs a small one of mash potato? 

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Again, not sure how this refutes what I have been saying.  Some carbs might be better than others?  OK.  You can eat lots and lots of carbs, and still be low-carb?  Sounds doubtful, but whatever.

How many carbs in a massive bowl of salad?  Firstly, carbs aren't a unit of measure. Secondly, what does "massive" mean?  That's like asking how many concretes in a massive building?  First lets agree a unit of measure, and then tell me more about the item in question. 

We can say this much:  Unless you are adding other stuff (dressing, meats, etc) the calories in a small, medium or massive salad are nearly 100% carbohydrate.  Which is fine.  I'd also have to know more to answer WRT a "small" bowl of mashed potato.  People typically add milk and/or butter to mash, but potatos alone are nearly 100% carb.  Which is fine.

If your point is that you can eat a big bowl of lettuce, which is mostly water, and you won't actually have consumed very much of anything, that's true. If the rest of your diet is fat and protein, then yes, you are eating low carb.  But a bowl of lettuce doesn't match the description of "heaps of veges"; not even close.  People should actually eat heaps of veges, and some fruit, as part of a high carb, balanced and nutritious diet.

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Ok.  Thanks

How many grams of carbs per 100g of potato..

Per 100g of salad

Per 100g of brocolli 

Per 100g of berries

Per 100g of pineapple

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People should actually eat heaps of veges, and some fruit, as part of a high carb, balanced and nutritious diet.

This is the message I have been selling for 20yrs - keeps everything working well 😎

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Perhaps a good rule of thumb? A balanced diet doesn't eschew large volumes of high quality carbs (i.e stuff you put your mouth like a bowl or two of spinach) but won't necessarily have large amounts of the macronutrient in grams? in many ways, people seem to be basically saying "stay away from calorie dense carbohydrates, as they're likely to be processed and won't help you - eat as much as veges as you like"

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Just want a few thoughts from those on HFLC, or more specifically, LC.

Other than the banana after swimming this morning, what could I be doing different? Noting that until dinner, this was all, "zero preparation" eating, as at the moment I have time for nothing.

Swim, then a banana at 6:30am

Rest of morning I had a cup of tea (no sugar & just a tiny bit of FC milk), and a handful of almonds.

Lunch was half a chicken from Coles & a couple cheese wedges I had in the fridge, and a can of pepsi-max.

Dinner was a spiced chicken breast, garden salad and a tablespoon of that microwave pasta in sauce.

3 or 4 nips of scotch with ice.

 

Looking for ideas to reduce carbs, as I've been told by some people I'm still too high & won't be getting any benefit out of this diet.

ps: I don't believe them as I've already lost the hunger pangs I used to get in the morning even after eating a big breakfast.

 

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Much lower carb than the average standard dietary intake so should be seeing some benefits from it.  Actual carb intake would depend on what's in/on the salad,  cheese, chicken stuffing and spices and pasta sauce.. you could always try adding it all to an app to get the nutritional breakdowns but that's a ballache..

What's the idea of a tablespoon of pasta? 

I  find i need more fat in each meal to keep me satiated but if it's working for you then who's to say otherwise

 

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8 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Just want a few thoughts from those on HFLC, or more specifically, LC.

Other than the banana after swimming this morning, what could I be doing different? Noting that until dinner, this was all, "zero preparation" eating, as at the moment I have time for nothing.

Swim, then a banana at 6:30am

Rest of morning I had a cup of tea (no sugar & just a tiny bit of FC milk), and a handful of almonds.

Lunch was half a chicken from Coles & a couple cheese wedges I had in the fridge, and a can of pepsi-max.

Dinner was a spiced chicken breast, garden salad and a tablespoon of that microwave pasta in sauce.

3 or 4 nips of scotch with ice.

 

Looking for ideas to reduce carbs, as I've been told by some people I'm still too high & won't be getting any benefit out of this diet.

ps: I don't believe them as I've already lost the hunger pangs I used to get in the morning even after eating a big breakfast.

 

I'd be looking to reaplce the banana with something like Bone broth if you have time to make it or buy the powdered version.  Although I have been told if using a powdered version to add in gelatin.

Pepsi Max does really funny things to my body, its almost like eating something really sugary I get the same reaction, feel bloated (carrying water) and get sore so I have made a concious effort to avoid that.

Rather than pasta and sauce a good carb at night if you need it is sweet potato, I steam it then mash and add in butter and cinnamon, very sweet. 

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Are you eating enough? I find I could do what you are doing for a day or two but then have a binge (or 4) and undo it all. Adding more fat to most meals helped. 

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15 minutes ago, pieman said:

What's the idea of a tablespoon of pasta?

My wife & son like those packet pasta with the powdered sauce that you just tear open, add a bit of water & throw in the microwave. I actually love them too, but limit myself to just a spoonful on the plate.

 

1 minute ago, Bosco said:

Are you eating enough? I find I could do what you are doing for a day or two but then have a binge (or 4) and undo it all. Adding more fat to most meals helped. 

I think so. With just those few nuts and a cup of tea I wasn't hungry till after noon, then with half a chicken downed, I really only ate dinner because everyone else was, and I knew I'd be hungry later if I didn't. How do you add more fat? I prefer my salad without dressing, so just a simple lettuce/spinach, tomatos, cucumber, carrot, shredded cabbage. I suppose avocado would be good.

5 minutes ago, RunBrettRun said:

I'd be looking to reaplce the banana with something like Bone broth if you have time to make it or buy the powdered version.  Although I have been told if using a powdered version to add in gelatin.

For me, too difficult. I grabbed the banana on the way out the door at 4:40. It was easy. 

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Ex - is this the case for a full week? That was my weakness - I would be in calorie deficit for 2-3 days and then undo all the good work. Maybe boiled eggs instead of banana in morning? Avocado are a great way, I use a lot of olive oil as well. You are not a coffee drinker so I can not think of much to add to tea. I’d up the Veges at dinner as well. I like RBR sweet potato sweet hit as well when needed. 

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Ex,

I'm still going through the Low Carb Down Under series on YouTube and their website ==> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=low+carb+down+under

I have found these to be excellent. The only real issue is that you have to do a bit of legwork on what specific food you can eat. It's interesting though a lot of carbs (i.e. veggies) are green and grow above the ground and not below.

FM

 

 

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Have you tried making Chia pudding? its  a great alternative and takes about 3 mins to make the night before.  Also have a look into some smoothies, one i make is this

2 tsb Chia seeds

almond milk

30g almonds

cup of blueberries

half an avocado

Teaspoon of cinnamon

tray of ice (optional)

you should put the Chia and milk in and leave in fridge for 10-15 mins first apparently though.

Im finding if i have that smoothie in the morning, im not hungry until well after noon - sometimes im not eating dinner because im simply not hungry

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8 minutes ago, KieranR said:

Have you tried making Chia pudding? its  a great alternative and takes about 3 mins to make the night before.  Also have a look into some smoothies, one i make is this

2 tsb Chia seeds

almond milk

30g almonds

cup of blueberries

half an avocado

Teaspoon of cinnamon

tray of ice (optional)

you should put the Chia and milk in and leave in fridge for 10-15 mins first apparently though.

Im finding if i have that smoothie in the morning, im not hungry until well after noon - sometimes im not eating dinner because im simply not hungry

I was riding to work this morning and was drafting this exact response.. a smoothie would be much better than your banana and as Kieran said you shouldnt need a snack after that if it has enough fat in it...

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On 24/08/2018 at 7:22 PM, Surfer said:

ExH I did that this week then this morning OW swim, 1hr easy run follwed by bowl of hot porridge made from rolled oats. Yum. Yum.  Told ya I was on the HTFU diet, tastes grrreat 😃😄

Seeing a sport nutritionist at the end of this month to discus hflc

Am curious to hear what the dietian had to say Surfer.? The keto diet is spreading through my office like wildfire atm. Some people seem to struggle getting through the day. Im not a big fan of it.

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On 01/01/2019 at 5:28 PM, Merv said:

Am curious to hear what the dietian had to say Surfer.? The keto diet is spreading through my office like wildfire atm. Some people seem to struggle getting through the day. Im not a big fan of it.

Arrgh .. fat finger time. Here goes for second attempt at reply !!

I had a great chat with the dietician, she has done some hflc with others but after .weighing up where Im at dealing with a range of food intolerances, training & recovering from a serious error made by a pharmacist with medication I have to take - we agreed its not for me. I also have concerns after reading & talking with people who had nasty problems with their liver due to hflc, Im happy with my decision 

As for people jumping on the bandwagon; so  many are looking for quick fix & when they realise its a commitment not a magic solution they'll be onto the next thing.

If youre keen to try,  keep talking /listening to the guys here that are doing it, they have the experience & still have friends even though keto makes one smelly 😉😉

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Nah, not really interested. One of the guys at work got horribly offended when I asked if he takes tupperware orders after a recent HFLC sermon.

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On 15/11/2018 at 8:15 AM, Flanman said:

Ex,

I'm still going through the Low Carb Down Under series on YouTube and their website ==> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=low+carb+down+under

I have found these to be excellent. The only real issue is that you have to do a bit of legwork on what specific food you can eat. It's interesting though a lot of carbs (i.e. veggies) are green and grow above the ground and not below.

FM

 

 

Further to above, I have found a dietician in my area that is linked to "Low Carb Down Under". My missus and daughter are going to make appointments to discuss their situation. I'll tag along if I can.

FM   

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Am I the only one who finds the variety of dietary advice dispensed bewildering?

To illustrate, the meat-atarians (eg Dr Shawn Baker and Niseko - by the way what happened to him?) claim to be getting great results, meanwhile the vegans (eg Scott Jurek and Rich Roll - I think PJ is off that bandwagon now?) also apper to be doing equally well. 

However, plenty of posters here taking less “extreme” approaches also seem to be struggling (like a significant part of the broader community) - eg refer to the biggest loser thread.

So for those who have consulted a dietician, nutritionist or similar professional, what was his/her take?

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11 minutes ago, trilobite said:

Am I the only one who finds the variety of dietary advice dispensed bewildering?

To illustrate, the meat-atarians (eg Dr Shawn Baker and Niseko - by the way what happened to him?) claim to be getting great results, meanwhile the vegans (eg Scott Jurek and Rich Roll - I think PJ is off that bandwagon now?) also apper to be doing equally well. 

However, plenty of posters here taking less “extreme” approaches also seem to be struggling (like a significant part of the broader community) - eg refer to the biggest loser thread.

So for those who have consulted a dietician, nutritionist or similar professional, what was his/her take?

IMHO - do what works for you

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12 minutes ago, trilobite said:

However, plenty of posters here taking less “extreme” approaches also seem to be struggling (like a significant part of the broader community) - eg refer to the biggest loser thread.

I feel like struggling is the name of the game. Once you stop struggling, you become complacent, you lose. I personally feel like anything worthwhile will be a struggle, be it dietary, relational, training; life in general. 

In the immortal words of Jimmy Dugan, "It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

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5 hours ago, trilobite said:

However, plenty of posters here taking less “extreme” approaches also seem to be struggling (like a significant part of the broader community) - eg refer to the biggest loser thread.

There's more than one way to skin a cat and many different methods may work. The constant is it gets harder to manage weight as we age. My first 30 years I could eat and do anything and not gain. The second 30 years I've had to be extremely vigilante if I want to stay at a decent weight. 

Personally HFLC works pretty well for me - but moreso (I think) through dramatic reduction in sugar than piling on the fat.

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6 hours ago, trilobite said:

Am I the only one who finds the variety of dietary advice dispensed bewildering?

To illustrate, the meat-atarians (eg Dr Shawn Baker and Niseko - by the way what happened to him?) claim to be getting great results, meanwhile the vegans (eg Scott Jurek and Rich Roll - I think PJ is off that bandwagon now?) also apper to be doing equally well. 

However, plenty of posters here taking less “extreme” approaches also seem to be struggling (like a significant part of the broader community) - eg refer to the biggest loser thread.

So for those who have consulted a dietician, nutritionist or similar professional, what was his/her take?

Advice from dietician a few years ago that had completed their degree only a couple of years earlier.  Combination of carbs/protein/veggies each meal and it was basically a kilojoules counting diet.

eg. Dinner could be carb - 1 cup cooked rice, protein 250g skinless chicken breast, veggies unlimited non-starchy vegetable.  

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7 hours ago, trilobite said:

Am I the only one who finds the variety of dietary advice dispensed bewildering?

To illustrate, the meat-atarians (eg Dr Shawn Baker and Niseko - by the way what happened to him?) claim to be getting great results, meanwhile the vegans (eg Scott Jurek and Rich Roll - I think PJ is off that bandwagon now?) also apper to e doing equally well. 

However, plenty of posters here taking less “extreme” approaches also seem to be struggling (like a significant part of the broader community) - eg refer to the biggest loser thread.

So for those who have consulted a dietician, nutritionist or similar professional, what was his/her take?

I find it interesting that some of the people on this thread bashing hflc and advocating balanced diets are also the ones failing the biggest loser challenge or with the largest weight loss goals for 2019... 

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12 minutes ago, pieman said:

I find it interesting that some of the people on this thread bashing hflc and advocating balanced diets are also the ones failing the biggest loser challenge or with the largest weight loss goals for 2019... 

Only on forums where anonymous people with weight problems can be giving dietary advice - often it's the same crew who give training advice 😅

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Diets are the new religion. Everyone's is right and everyone else is wrong. The radical cult leaders all preach their BS for personal gain.  A bit like training advice. 

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1 hour ago, pieman said:

I find it interesting that some of the people on this thread bashing hflc and advocating balanced diets are also the ones failing the biggest loser challenge or with the largest weight loss goals for 2019... 

Just because you KNOW what to do, doesn't mean you can to it.

You can be a good coach without being good at the discipline you are coaching.

And I'm not bashing hflc, balanced or any other diet...  just commenting

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8 hours ago, trilobite said:

However, plenty of posters here taking less “extreme” approaches also seem to be struggling (like a significant part of the broader community) - eg refer to the biggest loser thread.

I have previously dropped 25 kg on a very moderate diet approach.

I was disciplined though.

I often wonder if people who have success with things like HFLC do so because they are disciplined, not necessarily because the diet is right?

If anyone finds my discipline, please let me know, I can re-lose all those kg plus more. :D

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14 hours ago, Tyno said:

If anyone finds my discipline, please let me know, I can re-lose all those kg plus more. :D

Last I saw of your discipline Tyno was on a seat outside a coffee shop in Graceville about 3 yrs ago - it may still be there 😉 hanging around the cake display

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18 hours ago, pieman said:

I find it interesting that some of the people on this thread bashing hflc and advocating balanced diets are also the ones failing the biggest loser challenge or with the largest weight loss goals for 2019... 

They may be advocating a balanced diet, but are they are actually practicing what they preach with discipline on a daily basis.

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10 hours ago, AP said:

Last I saw of your discipline Tyno was on a seat outside a coffee shop in Graceville about 3 yrs ago - it may still be there 😉 hanging around the cake display

Cake display sounds right :D

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1 hour ago, Tyno said:

Cake display sounds right :D

Not everyones discipline revolves around Ironman & being fit.  Have the cake & chase those dreams tiger. 

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6 minutes ago, Bored@work said:

Not everyones discipline revolves around Ironman & being fit.  Have the cake & chase those dreams tiger. 

Yep, maybe people should be looking for a balanced life rather than a balanced diet

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1 hour ago, trinube said:

Yep, maybe people should be looking for a balanced life rather than a balanced diet

That will never catch on. 

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1 hour ago, Bored@work said:

Not everyones discipline revolves around Ironman & being fit.  Have the cake & chase those dreams tiger. 

Low carb cake?

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I have been looking at buying a new TV recently, as I am joining the 21st century & adding Netflix to my viewing options. The old TV is a permanent loaner, 11 years old & whilst it has a reasonably good screen, it's a power demon & a bit antiquated. I have been doing some research on the different types of screen technology etc..what's best for sport, movies, dark rooms, light rooms.. and the more research I do, the more confused I get.

TV research has nothing on nutrition research!!!

I'm going to try to reduce my carbs somewhat, because I know that I eat wayyyy too much bread, but generally, eating a diet somewhere in the middle of the extremes is my goal for the year.

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Buy a Chromecast, plug it in, old tv is now smart tv.

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