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Hi all, decided to purchase a MTB for a bit of cross training to break up the road rides, I have no idea in the current market other than it seems to have vastly improved since my last foray into the dirty world! I will be doing mostly single trail and fire trail type riding, no downhill racing, I guess cross country is the best description, I will also do a couple of dirty tri's, I am a heavy bloke (95kg) so need something that will take the abuse!!

What should I be looking at??

Happy to look at used if anybody has something to get rid of?

 

 

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If you are on the wrong side of 40 get a dual suspension. They are far more comfortable. If not get one anyway if you can afford it.

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I love my hardtail but my duallie is more comfortable and forgiving. Fast technical downhills are a little more nerve wracking on a HT. I find HT's are easier to do stuff like bunnyhops, manuals and wheelies. If I had the choice of one bike I'd get a dual suspension.

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What about brands, anything better than another, or even better, anything to avoid

 

 

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What about brands, anything better than another, or even better, anything to avoid

 

 

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If you're after a 29er I'd probably give Giant a miss as they seem to have dropped the ball in that department. I was looking a few weeks back and the Norco's get some good reviews. I don't mind Trek but they seem to be charging similar $ for Alloy frames vs similarly spec'd carbon frames from others (dual susp). I like the Scott's also!

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i have a giant anthem sx. it's sweet.

I've got a Giant Anthem X 29er which I'm happy with. Giant have dropped models from the 29" category and have generally fallen behind the competition in the last year or 2. With the number of 27.5 bikes in Giant's range, this is clearly where they are focusing. Edited by Chookman

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What's the benefits / detractions of 27.5 / 29?

 

 

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What's the benefits / detractions of 27.5 / 29?

 

 

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A 29 er is faster in general esp over flat or neutral ground. And a 29 er climbs better.

 

A 27.5 handles better on narrow trails and more technical segments. With similar tires. let's say

2.25's maybe some people will prefer the 27.5. I like the 29 er for the extra speed it can generate.

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If you have the money and want the latest thing. Specialised 3+ tyre size, preferably dual suspension.

 

My son has a Norco and it has been great value for money, I certainly would buy another. There new Optic in 29inch looks great. I ride a 29 and son rides a 27.5. If straight XC then 29 is great if more trail/all mountain then go 27.5 for nimbleness.

Aim for 100 to 120mm travel for XC

 

I ride a carbon Felt Edict 29inch dual suspension with 100mm travel, this is your ultimate race bike, but for trials, playing around I would like more suspension and relaxed geometry so looking at a Niner RIP or the Norco Optic

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If money is no barrier get yourself a Pivot 429C. It works the same way as Specialized rear Brain suspension (which uses an inertia circuit) but without the extra mechanism of the Brain (one less component to break) and the suspension actually works better because the DW link will handle square edge hits like gutters (and step ups on the trail) giving you better control. Good for racing. I rode the Husky 50 in like 3:30 one year on a 26" Specialized Epic when pretty fit and then rode my 429C the next year with less fitness and did it in 3:10! (Bought it at Pedals Plus!)

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Santa Cruz VPP2 suspension is lovely too, it is plusher than Pivot's DW link and so bobs a bit but it is the most comfortable suspension I've ever ridden. It is like floating on air the whole time and again because of the variable pivot point (VPP) it eats up square edge hits. I have a Santa Cruz Blur XCc which I converted from 26" to 650B and I like it a lot. It's a great trail bike and probably wouldn't be too bad as an XC/Enduro/marathon race bike either.

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Santa Cruz also make the equivalent in 29er wheel size and it is called the Tallboy and in 650B/27.5 it is called 5010. I think the 650B wheel size is the best of both worlds it has the same rollover capability as the 29ers but is a bit lighter. Probably as fast, or nearly as fast but as I have not raced it over the same course as my 29er I'm not certain. It feels like it would be close. The only drawback with my 650B conversion is I sit a little bit high so occasionally if I have to stop or dismount on sloping terrain I have about an inch less reach to the ground with my feet. That just means I have to start pedalling on the other side which can feel a little unnatural at first.

 

Giant's Maestro suspension is very similar to DW-link, so much so, there was a patent dispute over it. DW is very efficient but you feel the terrain a little more than with VPP2 so there is no floating on air feeling.

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Bortho,

head into your local bike shop that sells mountain bikes.

ask for the best deal on a 27.5" or 29" that they have. It may a 2015 or even an old stock 2014 that they'd be almost throwing money at you to buy.

 

about 4 years ago, or was it more, I got a 26" Scott Spark 30 duallie with 120mm ( that replaced a Specialize Brain bike that had replaced a Santa Cruz Blur that was stolen, I'm almost in tears at this thought )...

let me tell you, that 4 or more years late, the Spark is still way more bike than I am a rider.

 

My local Avanti/Scott store has had some very high end early 2015 bike going out he door at 50% of list..... now that's the bike I'd be buying.

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Bortho,

head into your local bike shop that sells mountain bikes.

ask for the best deal on a 27.5" or 29" that they have. It may a 2015 or even an old stock 2014 that they'd be almost throwing money at you to buy.

 

about 4 years ago, or was it more, I got a 26" Scott Spark 30 duallie with 120mm ( that replaced a Specialize Brain bike that had replaced a Santa Cruz Blur that was stolen, I'm almost in tears at this thought )...

let me tell you, that 4 or more years late, the Spark is still way more bike than I am a rider.

 

My local Avanti/Scott store has had some very high end early 2015 bike going out he door at 50% of list..... now that's the bike I'd be buying.

That's the deal I'm looking for, no such luck with the locals though, may have to cast the net further afield, anybody in the Northern end of NSW have a LBS with stock they want to unload at ridiculously reduced pricing??

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That's the deal I'm looking for, no such luck with the locals though, may have to cast the net further afield, anybody in the Northern end of NSW have a LBS with stock they want to unload at ridiculously reduced pricing??

PeePee at Pedals Plus has a 10-40% off on his range of mountain bikes, and even though I'm not quite 100% with buying bikes online, the Polygon brand that Bicycles Online sell are extremely well equipped and priced.

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I knew nothing but HT 29er til 3 days. Loved it. Picked up a 2nd hand 150mm travel duallie 650B. It is like sitting in a lounge chair and makes nearly everything rideable. Slower across the ground if racing, but way funnerer!!!

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I knew nothing but HT 29er til 3 days. Loved it. Picked up a 2nd hand 150mm travel duallie 650B. It is like sitting in a lounge chair and makes nearly everything rideable. Slower across the ground if racing, but way funnerer!!!

For the life of me, I can't understand that so many recommend HT bikes for middle aged beginner mountain bike riders who are supposed to " learn the right way" blah blah, when a dualliw,, even a 100mm xc type bike will be way more forgiving, let alone more fun.'

duallies rock!

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For the life of me, I can't understand that so many recommend HT bikes for middle aged beginner mountain bike riders who are supposed to " learn the right way" blah blah, when a dualliw,, even a 100mm xc type bike will be way more forgiving, let alone more fun.'

duallies rock!

If you can only have 1 bike, then a Duallie is the way to go. Hardtails are fun on less technical courses as well as being easier to maintain but are less forgiving if your technique isn't sound.

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XC wise though, I have no doubt my HT will shit on the other bike in any type of racing. My experience is limited to a 12hr teams, an Xterra and a 25k'er though. My riding is 98% fun so the duallie does indeed rock for that.

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I agree with Avago on Dual all the way

I run a XC bike with lock-out that allows it to perform like a hardtail when needed, but rarely lock it out; only when on road. It also weighs little more than a HT.

 

Based on current bikes if I could only have one I would look at the new Norco Optic in 650 as the best all round bike. You will get a high spec like XT for what you would pay for a low spec Specialized, Giant etc

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Thanks all for the replies and advise, I'm thinking a 27.5 dual suspension is the winner for me, due to the purchase of a new TT before Port Mac I am limited in new bike funds to $1500, anybody know of anything around??

 

 

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Probably aim for a hardtail? There are a few good deals out there on superseded models. I scoured the 2nd hand market looking for a full suspension bike, but the only bikes that were bargains looked like they'd been flogged.

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Probably aim for a hardtail? There are a few good deals out there on superseded models. I scoured the 2nd hand market looking for a full suspension bike, but the only bikes that were bargains looked like they'd been flogged.

As said above not unless you're under 40 and had a BMX upbringing! You can buy a Polygon dually new for less than $2k.

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