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Pickup (hate that term, too Yankee for me)

 

Anyway,

 

Needing a new car, Mrs L has conceded to my mid life crisis and says I can have a twin cab/ crew cab to take the toys away on weekends (think MTB's, kayaks and surfboards. Anyway there are way too many options in terms of makes and models.

 

I've got a mate in NZ who has a brilliant Colorado set up for his toys and that's one option (got pics but can't load them), Isuzu seem to have a cheap deal. But there seems so little difference in every make and model, (tray length will be an issue for me) and its got to be a non tradie interior to keep wifey happy.

 

Any experienced and recent owners happy to point me in the right direction.

 

New to $45K.

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Lucky man, going down a path I can't seem to get my wife to go (yet)

 

I've not heard good things about the Navara's once they get past 3 years old (so depends on how long you will keep it), supposed to be a good ute up until the problems start around then. Question marks are also around about the gear box / clutch in the Amaroks, so check into that before going down that path - I'd be cautious on anything VW at the moment anyway.

 

Mazda BT50 / Ford Ranger are pretty much the same vehicle, just different badges so depending on price you only need to look at one of them, they get good wraps and I'm noticing alot of farmers are going to them which is a good sign. Isuzu also appears to be quite good as well and the price seems very good - I'm currently considering the MU-X for when we upgrade next year (it's my second option at present with a 70 series landcruiser my first option if I can get the wife to agree to a manual). I drive my brother in law's Hilux a bit and think the current model is very good, unfortunately you really will need the SR5 model or above before getting past the "tradie interior" which adds to the price and then makes the others better value for money IMO.

 

Tray length was always a short fall in the Triton's, but haven't heard how the new model stacks up on this though

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Quick add in for the Navara, the new models that are DP300 or whatever have an engine built in a mercedes factory. Early days so may make some of the problems go away, but I tend to want runs on the board before investing.

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checkout the Isuzu Dmax.....especially if you are going to be towing....friend has one for towing their massive van around Australia at the moment....

 

plus I believe Sir Roxxi has the Mazda and loves it...but he can fill you in...

 

myself..have an 2009 Hilux that I bought second hand in 2011.....does everything I want it to....offroad to MTB events once a month....family holidays where it is full to capacity including two kayaks and two bikes on roof and two bikes on the back....

 

the only downfall on mine is it dosent have any reverse camera or sensors...and that is a shit given its length....

 

was warned at the time of buying mine by my reliable mechanic to stay away from Navaras as they are notorious for issues....

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In recent years with work I have driven a Ford Ranger tray back, Great Wall V200(?) and now a Mitsubishi Triton, all dual cabs. Of these I'd say that the Triton is the best interior, the Ranger had the worstt tray for bikes (too short but I could run it width ways when needed) and at least when we bought them the Great Wall was the best value although also the most basic.

 

I probably wouldn't buy another GW, not that there was anything particularly wrong with it just that the finish is a bit rougher and the price of the alternatives have all come down a lot in the last few years. All vehicles had similar issues with dealer servicing (i.e. just painful to deal with) so I think that must be par for the course.

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Great Wall and crash test ratings: think one of their models got 2 stars out of 5, another got 3 stars out of 5. Most of the other models on the list will be 4 or 5 stars

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the Great Wall was the best value although also the most basic.

 

I probably wouldn't buy another GW, not that there was anything particularly wrong with it just that the finish is a bit rougher and the price of the alternatives have all come down a lot in the last few years.

 

The old man has a GW wagon and dual cab.

I'd agree with Stikman.

They work, but they just feel cheap.

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Getting a ute with out tradie interior is like riding a vespa with a Harley jacket on!...

 

But seriously dont think you can go past Hilux for everything .ive got an older model and its a work horse never breaks down etc

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Hilux has been the best seller for years but the others have been catching rapidly. As others have noted you prob need the SR5 version if you want to be a step above work ute standard of finishes.

 

Around here I'm now seeing a lot of Ford Rangers and they seem to be going ok with the exception of 1 friend who has had some engine problems a couple of times.

I bought a new Triton GLX 18months ago on price alone ($29K) and it has been pretty good but it's definitely more work ute than carlike in terms of finish and driveability. I see they've released a new model now and pricing is more like $35k+ for the equivalent model. I changed from a tub to a tray which is good for what I want.

 

I don't really care what I'm driving but I'm loving having a ute again after going without for a few years.

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Had the same issue with wifey. When we moved it was "no way" on the truck option, but eventually she gave way and said I could get it out of my system. Bought a 2013 Hilux SR5 second hand last year. Comes with SatNav (does Bluetooth and USB for all your music needs) and reversing camera (but no sensors) and has an LCD-display aircon switches thingy. Mine also came with the tray liner, for which I've custom built some removable bike racks using wood (can send pictures) without any drilling.

 

On first impression the inside did look a bit tradie, but when I looked at the others it was about the best and after a short drive it didn't feel tradie at all. I was coming from a Subaru Outback which had cloth interior, so I think it was the contrast that made that initial impression.

 

One thing I like, is that the rear seat folds upwards, and it's big enough to get two bikes in with the front wheels off, so you can lock the precious machines away if you're camping.

 

Wifey likes her creature comforts, but she's not complained about the ride or the interior once - and that's saying something :wink3:

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checkout the Isuzu Dmax.....especially if you are going to be towing....friend has one for towing their massive van around Australia at the moment....

 

plus I believe Sir Roxxi has the Mazda and loves it...but he can fill you in...

 

myself..have an 2009 Hilux that I bought second hand in 2011.....does everything I want it to....offroad to MTB events once a month....family holidays where it is full to capacity including two kayaks and two bikes on roof and two bikes on the back....

 

the only downfall on mine is it dosent have any reverse camera or sensors...and that is a shit given its length....

 

was warned at the time of buying mine by my reliable mechanic to stay away from Navaras as they are notorious for issues....

 

I had a D Max. Totally rapt with the 3 litre power and performance. Considering another one, but we will have kids in school, so the Crosswind XU-V or the slightly upmarket Sportivo. The MU -X is the renamed edition of the Alterra, looks nice, not sure on the toughness.

 

The Ford Ranger Wildtrac, bigger engine 3,2 l, is now the fastest moving and best looking vehicle in the Asia market. But the cheaper D Max is equally as good, the Isuzu engine is reported to be superior. If I did have the extra cash, I would be tempted to go with the Ford, but I can't.

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One of the obvious questions is whether you need or want 4WD as opposed to 2WD. Some of the options discussed above will offer 2WD which will be cheaper again.

 

Currently doing a fair bit of research myself for an upgrade. Have convinced the better half, but it now just the timing we disagree on (ie me = now / her = sometime not now).

 

Whilst not a comprehensive list, here's what I have found so far:

 

Navara - the new NP300 has a coil rear end which from all accounts provides for a smoother ride. Can be a bit of an issue with a full payload. If into proper 4WD, the Navara does have a few bits that "hand down" underneath. Nothing that can't be fixed with proper under vehicle protection plates.

 

Triton - good value for money but in comparison to others has a lighter payload and smaller engine. if looking to tow probably better options

 

D-Max - good workhorse by all accounts and are tough as nails. Built on a light truck chassis and has pretty much a bullet proof motor / drivetrain combo. Can't comment on price / value for money as haven't got that far yet.

 

Amarok - as Cottoneyes has mentioned, questions around gearbox / clutch. Other issue is (for me at least) they appear pricey both upfront and for servicing.

 

Hilux - Bulletproof, but pricey. Appear to have lost their market edge recently with the influx of others. Still a great truck but the price turns people off.

 

Colorado - Good reviews, strong torquey engine and huge tow capacity. Well finished off from what I can see, but have heard a few whispers about issues with gearboxes. Nonetheless, top of the list for wifey as she is a holden fan.

 

BT50 / Ranger - strongest movers in this category and every bloke and his dog seem to be driving them. Both represent strong options with tow / load and engine strength but again are probably at the pricier end. Ranger is top of my list but having said that, given everyone is now in one, might need to look at something different.

 

Any of them represent a good option, but it really does depend what you are looking for. End of the day a ute will be tradie like in finish because simply that's what they are. If you want a luxury finish, you will pay for it (think Wild Track / SR5 etc).

 

Final thought - Great Wall. Don't go there, simply based on the safety rating. Not up to standard and not something I would put my kids in.

 

Probably done nothing but confuse you more. Definate pro's and cons to all (excluding GW as mentioned) but it depends on what you want. Have a look at them, kick some tyres and go for a drive. Only way to tell.

 

Oh, and make sure you sit in the back (while it's being driven). My current vehicle is excellent up front, but I lasted less than an hour in the back on a trip last year with the family last year. Had to kick daughter out of the front seat!!

 

Happy hunting and let us know what you decide

Ayto

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As per Ayto's post, had a relo have some mysterious issue with their Colorado. Low revs hitting a hill it would just die outright, ie, just stop like someone unplugged it. Dealer testing gear showed nothing but luckily it was repeatable. They got it to happen again while hooked up to the diagnostic gear and stilk nada. They were offered a good trade on a Landcruiser so took it. They claim to have found similar stories on the net but I haven't verified. They talked us out of one anyway.

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i've got an amarok and i love it. it's a great ute. i do 8.5 lt per 100km and that's not taking it easy. i get 1000km out of a tank everytime.

 

last year i went camping. i drove 6 hours there and back, and drove around sandy tracks for 2 days. i did 1 1/2 tanks of diesel.

 

it's not fast but not a slug, it's well balanced and i'd get another one straight away.

 

the only thing i'd say is it's not got enough grunt to tow a heavy trailer as an every day exercise. i've towed a caravan no worries, just wouldn't want to do that to a 2lt engine every day.

 

for the money (39k) i'd say they are hard to beat on value.

 

i put a reverse camera and sensors in mine. i can park it anywhere.

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I've got a late 2015 MY16 new model Mazda BT50 XTR 4x2 in auto. It's our second one and we LOVE it.

 

We went the 4x2 as we don't really need 4wd and it has good clearance anyway. It's 3.2 litre, same as the Ranger, it's powerful and economical. On the open road at 100 kmh we get around 7 litres per 100 and i never get over around 9.5 around town exclusively in the city.

 

Drive away in Melbourne with a towbar for $39.5k. Canopy cost me $2.5k but they can cost up to $4k. I have a $500 nudge bar too.

 

The XTR over the XT model has a large screen GPS, chrome mirrors, rear bumper, driving lights, GPS, height adjustable drivers seat, carpet and a few more extra's.

 

The XT you can get for around $36k - it still has alloy wheels just not the extra's as above. Same engine, same gearbox etc.

 

Highly recommended !

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Ive got a BT50 now, was in a Hilux The Hilux was a 4x2 SR5 Dual Cab.

 

The BT50 and Hilux (Lolux) are totally different beasts. The hilux in the low version is more car like, the BT50 is more truck-like.

 

We have had Nissan and Mitsi's in our fleet, on this experience I wouldnt bother with either of them.

 

The Hiluxs we had 5 of them that all run up 300,000+ ks. Only one issue with any of them other than regular servicing. The issue was a cat convertor crapped itself and being toyota with their record noone had started making after market parts for it yet, so we were stung for Toyota pricing on the parts. But that was it.

The Hilux doesnt have a great back seat either if anyone will be travelling in it for any length of time.

 

The BT 50 has impressed me so far. Diesel is a nice touch as you dont have to fill up often, mine is specced as per BC's above.

 

Reversing camera is a must as they are pretty darn big for parking, mine has a canopy as well. Despite the big tyres road noise isnt an issue. Not sure on the price :lol:

 

Ill probably be down south over the school holiday weekends, if you are about we can catch up and you can take it for a spin if you like.

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PS: The BT50 XTR model comes with a reversing camera as standard (in the new model only - it's an option otherwise in the older models). If you are in Melbourne you are welcome to have a drive, but you may as well drive one at a dealer nearby or loan it for a day. A mate was just loaned a Navara for 3 days to try to get him to buy one.

 

I don't have reversing sensors as I simply don't need them. I find it strangely easy to park. We have a tight spot at work and 99% of the employees won't park there, so if I arrive late I back into it no dramas and my BT50 dual cab is the biggest vehicle in the car park..... which leads to the next problem... all of these utes are large to very large. They do not fit well in shopping centre car parks, but they do fit. They fit into most underground car parks and my aerial just hits when I go under a 2 metre barrier. If you are a confident driver, you'll be fine.

 

Comparatively a BT50 or Hilux are noticeably longer than a Prado or Territory for example.

 

If $45k is your budget with no extra's and you specifically want 4x4, you might scrape in a BT50, but you'll struggle to get a Ranger for that much, they are potentially $6k-$7k more but be warned, the Rangers are optioned with a smaller 2.2 diesel engine - chalk and cheese. The high-rider BT50 only comes with the larger 3.2 litre.

 

We were exactly like you, my near new WRX was running out of room and we had 1 kid with another on the way so it made way for the BT. No room for the kids AND the toys.

 

I took my BT50 away with Caravan at Chrismas - it's a 3.2 tonne caravan and towed it no dramas. We were zooming past Prado's like they were standing still. Fuel consumption was around 15.5 on average with the van, but as high as 17 and as low as 12. When we take the caravan, in the the back of the ute I carry a 4.2 metre inflatable zodiac with a 25 hp motor, so there's room a plenty with the canopy fitted.

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 They do not fit well in shopping centre car parks, but they do fit.  They fit into most underground car parks and my aerial just hits when I go under a 2 metre barrier.  If you are a confident driver, you'll be fine..

 

Do you find yourself ducking your head as you drive into car parks

 

I do :lol:

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My bro has an Amarok with hard canopy. Massive payload in the back packed to the roof. Hose out floor. Crapped on our Prado for a Double Island Point trip in terms of ease of packing. Teenage kids haven't complained too loudly about the back seat for decent trips. He does some decent miles and loves it. Service seems expensive on paper but if like other VW, the service interval is double so you pay the same per year as a Toyota with 6 monthly services?

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Another vote for the BT50. It's my son's but I tend to drive it more than our other cars as it's really good to drive, especially on the open road. It's probably a little bit 'bumpy' on rough roads when not carrying a load but I guess that's as could be expected since it's more of a truck. As BC states it's a big vehicle but it is surprisingly easy to park. We use it for towing the rally car and all the rally gear around and it does it easily.

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V8 Dual Cab Landcruiser bud.

 

End of thread.

 

Edit. Didnt see the New to 45k mark.

 

Sorry you will only get half the car.

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Services for the BT50 are around $400 every 10,000. You can do it somewhere else if you want like I sometimes do - the oil will cost around $90 and the filter element around $25 - plus labour. I like to get servicing done at Mazda at least every second time because they often fix recall items like clamps on turbo / engine hoses for example that a non-Mazda service centre don't have access to.

 

Based on my posts I do seem overly passionate about my ute and I probably am to be honest as I love it. I'm yet to come across any downsides with it. Oh and when you indicate to change lanes... there's almost always room next to you... people just clear off when they see you wanting to move over.

 

Yes... I do duck my head when I drive into the Chastone carpark, especially when driving quickly on a mid level floor with 2.1 metres clearance!

 

 

If you are ever looking for a vehicle for towing... you need to visit a caravan park and see what people are using. The grey nomads with cash don't worry about the cost, they simply go for what is reliable and what tows well. A couple of years back everyone had Jeeps, then shortly after Rangers were very popular (and still are - with BT50's making up the expected percentage of those), and lately I'm spotting a few Colorado's and Isuzu DMax's in the parks. Cruisers are fairly common but the price keeps them moderately rare. The new Patrol with 5.7l petrol only engine is not popular at all. They also seem to go with what looks good and is a new model. I'm honestly yet to see an Amarok in any van park, mainly because they are under-powered with a 2 litre engine and the towing capacity is reduced. Rest assured a Ranger and BT will happily toy up to 3.5 tonnes, I've done it comfortably. I could tow a 3 tonne van at 140kmh if the speed limit allowed it.

 

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D Max LS 4x2, 3 litre engine. Working off some rough calculations from the post above.

 

Comes in at least 10k cheaper.

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The D Max LS 4x2 only has a towing capacity of 2.5t versus 3.5t for the 4x4 model. Sure you may not be towing that weight but resale would be significantly affected plus if it's built for the heavier weight you know it's going to be tougher and last longer.

 

The Ranger and BT are 3.5 tonnes regardless of model and specs in the high-rider and 4x4 range. When I advertised my used BT50 4x2 with 3.5t towing, the phone rang off the hook for days and it wasn't even that cheap.

 

You get what you pay for.

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