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A Catholic school does not provide a better education because it is Catholic, it provides a better education because it is selective (applicable to all schools with entry requirements). The above examples demonstrate this: parents have used their smarts and got their kids into a good school; they are kids from parents with smarts and therefore are likely to have smarts themselves, thereby enhancing the mean intelligence of the school.

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Do catholic schools provide a private education but for a lower cost than other private schools? If so why?

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There aren't many non-government primary schools, at least in Brisbane, so if you don't want to hang out with 1200 other kids, then Catholic is usually the go. It seems to be High School where they are cheaper, and I think often seen as a mid level school, better than the Gov schools, but not up there with the GPS ones. Lots will argue differing opinions, but that's a lay-persons view of it.

For our son, we've gone an Anglican School. Not because it's Anglican, but because we really like the school, the way it operates, have had good reports from everyone we've spoken to about it, and their price, while above Catholic School prices, weren't in the $20k+ range of some of the "elite" schools.

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I don't think there are any secular non-government schools anywhere in Australia (I really want to be proved wrong here). Looking at education for my boys in Sydney, it's either government and secular, or trying to find private with the least amount of religious influence.

 

Did a quick look-up on funding. It seems that the Federal Government funds non-Govt schools more than what it gives to Govt schools. However, Govt schools then receive a much larger amount of funds from the State/Territory (than non-Govt schools). Catholic schools receive less private income towards funding than Independent schools and therefore I assume charge less (e.g. from a 2011 paper quoting 2008 figures for fees only 2.4k per student versus 7.7k). Catholic schools seem to get more funding from all tiers of Govt than Independent schools per student (7.7k versus 6.3k - same paper).

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those charged with clerical duties that committed heinous acts, or covered them up, should face the full force of the law - regardless of what organisation, or institution they come from.

 

I agree they tarnish the majority of good elements in the Church. Just like one positive drug test from a pro triathlete raises questions for every other elite performer.

 

I work for the Catholic Church and have priests as good mates. I have met Pell. A more pompous, arrogant human I am yet to meet. My father investigates the very sub-humans that are the subject of the commission; and has put many behind bars.

 

Most days I believe in God - and my faith lay not in the Church - but firmly in the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. A more loving, empathetic, kind human being I am yet to meet.

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Is the ideal of religion just like socialism/ communism in its purist form but with an icon to worship ?

 

And again, like any church or communist state, it's the people that get in the way of good, the institution isn't the issue but the fiefdoms within.

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A Catholic school does not provide a better education because it is Catholic, it provides a better education because it is selective (applicable to all schools with entry requirements). The above examples demonstrate this: parents have used their smarts and got their kids into a good school; they are kids from parents with smarts and therefore are likely to have smarts themselves, thereby enhancing the mean intelligence of the school.

 

Do you mean academically selective? Because that is factually incorrect. Mickbill can correct me, but I am under the impression the Catholic system actually educates a disproportionate number of kids with social, learning and behaviour problems when compared with government schools.

 

Recently the highest performing schools in NSW are Government selective academic schools. Which is a no-brainer. If you only accept the top 5% of the cohort, surely you expect to get the top 5% of results at the end. These schools are as free as the local public high school and you get a better academic result than paying $30K to go to Grammar. Feel free to enrol there, as long as you pay for tutoring for your kid through primary school to pass the selective high schools test.

 

I choose to send my kids to a Catholic School because I went to one, because I believe locally they provide the best education, because of the religious education program (learning about all faiths and belief systems), because of the pastoral care element and other old fashioned things like discipline, uniform and behaviour standards etc.

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I choose to send my kids to a Catholic School because I went to one,

 

That why I dont send my kids to one. Your experience may vary of course!!

 

Folli, Michael Anthony, Marist Brother - 2002 Pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual intercourse without consent with a person under 16 and five counts of indecent assault on a male. The offences took place in 1980-83 while Folli was a teacher at Benedict Senior College, Auburn.

 

Then there were the others who while not being sexually abusive were downright cruel and vicious people.

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Did a quick look-up on funding. It seems that the Federal Government funds non-Govt schools more than what it gives to Govt schools. Catholic schools seem to get more funding from all tiers of Govt than Independent schools per student (7.7k versus 6.3k - same paper).

no...each student in NSW in a Catholic school receives around 7k per annum of government funding - each government school student 9k.

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This whole thread got me thinking about one boarding house master that there was some chatter about when I went there, and was subsequently told to leave the school a few years after I left after allegations came out. (Yoyo, you might know the one I'm talking about)

 

Did a bit of a google to see if he was ever charged with anything. Nothing came up but found one page where he puts his favourite scripture as James 5:16. "Confess your faults to one another, and pray for one another, that ye may be healed"

 

Scary thing is it appears he is still very active in athletic clubs, only seems to list past experience and nothing on where he currently is. Wonder if he has wrecked any more lives because the school decided to not go through the proper channels to save face.

 

And no, it wasn't a catholic school

 

The ironic thing is that the town where he now works, I happen to have an old uni mate that is currently a priest stationed there, I'll be dropping them a message tonight so they can discreetly see if anything has been happening in the current town and word up some people if required.

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That is the scary thing, it is everywhere. Someone I know had a sudden career and state change recently due to issues related to this topic. Business as usual on social media. A bloke who lived round the corner as a kid was accused of pedophilia, his accuser was psychologically destroyed and eventually suicided. No charges were laid but I was horrified to see this bloke is on the committee of a local soccer club and on duty at games with kids. Public bar at Caringbah Inn had a resident pedophile, had been in jail, was common knowledge but used to drink with concrete truck drivers etc with no qualms from them on a daily basis. Some of the bar girls would refuse to serve him

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Folli, Michael Anthony, Marist Brother - 2002 Pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual intercourse without consent with a person under 16 and five counts of indecent assault on a male. The offences took place in 1980-83 while Folli was a teacher at Benedict Senior College, Auburn.

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Luckily my experience did vary, personally

 

Edit to add: but it would appear I was lucky after the reading I just did in the last hour, presumably from the source of your quote above, I feel sick. It turns out I have been taught by, and had as a guest in my parents house, 2 of these disgraceful and disgraced individuals

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Did you get the police leak in the NSW papers yesterday - apparently the good Cardinal is under investgation by VIcPol over specific acts of rape/molestation. So no longer simply allegatrions of someone who turned a blind eye but potentially as evil as the rest of them. Both Pell and Andrew Bolt are livid over the leak of the police investigation to the press.

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That is the scary thing, it is everywhere. Someone I know had a sudden career and state change recently due to issues related to this topic. Business as usual on social media. A bloke who lived round the corner as a kid was accused of pedophilia, his accuser was psychologically destroyed and eventually suicided. No charges were laid but I was horrified to see this bloke is on the committee of a local soccer club and on duty at games with kids. Public bar at Caringbah Inn had a resident pedophile, had been in jail, was common knowledge but used to drink with concrete truck drivers etc with no qualms from them on a daily basis. Some of the bar girls would refuse to serve him

It might be everywhere but when it happens (outside of the cath church) where do people back in the day go? Churchs and police.

 

This is about Pell who it seems is also as guilty as others in the catholic church as well as covering up for ithers and he is 3rd in charge worldwide.

 

Lets go after others once he is sorted out.

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Do you mean academically selective? Because that is factually incorrect. Mickbill can correct me, but I am under the impression the Catholic system actually educates a disproportionate number of kids with social, learning and behaviour problems when compared with government schools.

No, that's why I did not state "academically selective", but they are selective. Look at what parents are doing to get their children into the Catholic schools. If they weren't selective they wouldn't have to go through the hoops. You are right, the Catholic system does educate children from various backgrounds, however not on the same scale, or under the same requirements as a State school where they must take students from all backgrounds, whereas a Catholic school can be selective, and because of that they will always get better grades and thus continue the cycle of parents (of any and no religion) to go through the hoops, and it is typically the 'achiever' parents who are prepared to do that.

 

 

Recently the highest performing schools in NSW are Government selective academic schools. Which is a no-brainer. If you only accept the top 5% of the cohort, surely you expect to get the top 5% of results at the end. These schools are as free as the local public high school and you get a better academic result than paying $30K to go to Grammar. Feel free to enrol there, as long as you pay for tutoring for your kid through primary school to pass the selective high schools test

 

 

Agreed, a no-brainer and only last night I was saying how it is ridiculous to have such State Selective schools in the same 'league' as non-selective State schools when comparing results, for this very reason. Not only pay for your kid's tutoring, but also stealing your kid's being a kid time!

 

I choose to send my kids to a Catholic School because I went to one, because I believe locally they provide the best education, because of the religious education program (learning about all faiths and belief systems), because of the pastoral care element and other old fashioned things like discipline, uniform and behaviour standards etc.

 

 

Your choice, and you are lucky you fit the 'selective' criteria (parent as a past student). We will agree to disagree here, as some of the reasons you give is the exact reasons why I wouldn't send my boys to a religious school. However, for your kids' sake, I do hope that the discipline isn't that old fashioned, as I thought the cane was banned :wink3:

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Played junior rugby in Newcastle with guys who went to St Pius and Marist Bros, and what went on was a running joke and spoken about all the time as if it was public knowledge. I am not sure how much was childhood bravado, but in view of what's transpired I wonder whether that is how they coped.

 

These offenders were just plain f****** evil, apart from the sexual offences, they had no qualms about beating the living shit out of the students. Have since seen that a couple of the Brothers are now in gaol or dead. Thankfully, the guys I knew and played footy with are still alive and not (aparently) affected.

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Both Pell and Andrew Bolt are livid over the leak of the police investigation to the press.

 

It appears Bolt was seen sporting the below badge earlier today:

 

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Your choice, and you are lucky you fit the 'selective' criteria (parent as a past student). We will agree to disagree here, as some of the reasons you give is the exact reasons why I wouldn't send my boys to a religious school. However, for your kids' sake, I do hope that the discipline isn't that old fashioned, as I thought the cane was banned :wink3:

Strap was banned in the late 80s (few years too late for my liking) Basic discipline, like being on time, showing respect for teachers, behaving on public transport, not telling teachers to get effed, and wearing a modest uniform would be the things that attract me to a school

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It might be everywhere but when it happens (outside of the cath church) where do people back in the day go? Churchs and police.

 

This is about Pell who it seems is also as guilty as others in the catholic church as well as covering up for ithers and he is 3rd in charge worldwide.

 

Lets go after others once he is sorted out.

I am in agreeance.

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TenPints, on 23 Feb 2016 - 1:08 PM, said:snapback.png

 

 

Did a quick look-up on funding. It seems that the Federal Government funds non-Govt schools more than what it gives to Govt schools. Catholic schools seem to get more funding from all tiers of Govt than Independent schools per student (7.7k versus 6.3k - same paper).

 

no...each student in NSW in a Catholic school receives around 7k per annum of government funding - each government school student 9k.

 

Argh! MBF, come on, you're an educator! Z- for you for taking two quotes, one cherry-picked, and nailing them together and then disagreeing - terrible academic practices there sir!

 

To repeat that part of my post IN FULL, with added highlights.

 

Did a quick look-up on funding. It seems that the Federal Government funds non-Govt schools more than what it gives to Govt schools. However, Govt schools then receive a much larger amount of funds from the State/Territory (than non-Govt schools). Catholic schools receive less private income towards funding than Independent schools and therefore I assume charge less (e.g. from a 2011 paper quoting 2008 figures for fees only 2.4k per student versus 7.7k). Catholic schools seem to get more funding from all tiers of Govt than Independent schools per student (7.7k versus 6.3k - same paper).

 

 

See what I did? I broke-up state and federal govt funding. So YES, the feds give non-Govt more, BUT THEN I SAID the State/Territory gives up a lot more funding to Govt schools than non-Govt. In the second part of your bastardized quote, please note that I was comparing Catholic and Independent schools, with no reference to State schools at all. I.e. the 6.3K was relative to INDEPENDENT schools and not State schools.

 

Come on boyo, play fair :wink3:

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Strap was banned in the late 80s (few years too late for my liking) Basic discipline, like being on time, showing respect for teachers, behaving on public transport, not telling teachers to get effed, and wearing a modest uniform would be the things that attract me to a school

Parky. I now work with Chris Longhurst. His office is adjacent to mine. He strapped me every monday for not doing my maths homework. we can laugh now. He in fact was behind the demise of corporal punishment circa 1985. He said it always pained him and knew it wasnt right.

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Many people have walked away from the church, what makes those that haven't still stick around ?

 

As Mick says, sort of, church is merely folk who are in a relationship to god because of Jesus of Nazareth. Simple. You hang around people who are family.

 

And someone above said that education in Australia was started by the Catholic Church. I think you'll find that the first schools were private academies, funded by the Crown and delivered by the Church of England. Small matter in the scheme of things.

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"I can't recall"........ I'll have to remember these words if I ever have to go to court. Seems to be the choice defence.

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I think Goughy, that it says an awful lot about the person. If someone told me, or I suspected, or I came to know about such abuse, I don't think I'd ever forget that moment I found out, my reaction and my follow-up, in fact I know I wouldn't.

 

I've acted as a Registered Expert Witness on many paedo cases, and even been on a raid when the Police kicked the door down, there were three kids inside. The details of each case are well-etched in my mind, so I find it hard to accept the "can't recall" excuse.

 

If I remember such things simply as someone on the sidelines, the bravery of the victims and their resilience should be honoured and remembered and not villified and treated with such contempt, disregard and arrogance - acting in such a way should be a crime in itself.

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"I can't recall"........ I'll have to remember these words if I ever have to go to court. Seems to be the choice defence.

I think, what you start with is 'sorry, but im too ill to travel', probably from some sunny placewithout an extradition agreement with Australia.

 

Only say you dont recall if the first option fails.

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Who exactly is the doctor who has decided he is too ill to travel?

You are not going to believe this and shouldn't, Dr Geoffrey Edelsten.

 

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On the 'why do it in the name of the church?' I agree with Tribube.

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I see education as a noble 'calling' if you will. My wife works in the Catholic education system. But can't you be dedicated to education, showing young people the wonders of the world, letting them grow and flourish without it being about Catholicism?

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(as an aside, it is teaching in the Catholic system that has turned my wife against the church. She sees so much hypocrisy in the system that she comes home seething - excellent teachers who aren't given jobs because they are gay, or unmarried, or whatever..... but she knows of two school principals who have had affairs that are conveniently 'looked after' with posts in nice places... but I digress..)

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On the morals thing. I fundamentally believe that (despite what I was taught when I went through the catholic school system) the church and the bible have NOTHING to do with morals whatsoever. In fact, I would argue that the more right wing religious folk HOLD BACK the world from adopting more moral values.

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The church has to be DRAGGED kicking and screaming into accepting equality, womens rights, etc. It was the church that tried to prevent the end of slavery, it was the church that tried to prevent inter-racial marriage in the US, it was the church that argued against women voting (as it would destroy family).

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Its now the most religious arguing against gay marriage (The Australian Christian Lobby, for example, spends more effort on fighting against gay marriage than all other causes put together).

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And the most religious arguing that we should 'stop the boats'.

You mean 'your' morals.

 

And what do you mean by 'most' religious? Europe is running open borders and i suspect this trends more fundamentalist than pro gay marriage and womens rights ?So it's a big demographic thumbs up for the religious fundamentalist.

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If ever there was a need for a second opinion.

Wow. So even the vayican doctors are in on this catholic conspiracy?

 

Luckily for the non religious among us the secular ama would ex communicate any of its members found to write a certificate to the effect that mr bloggs has suffered a serious workplace injury as a consequence of being required to do some actual work.

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Wow. So even the vayican doctors are in on this catholic conspiracy?

 

Luckily for the non religious among us the secular ama would ex communicate any of its members found to write a certificate to the effect that mr bloggs has suffered a serious workplace injury as a consequence of being required to do some actual work.

Really? You don't sniff the slightest whiff of a conflict of interest there?

 

You may be right though, it could be all the world ganging up on the poor Catholic Church, especially as they do not, in any way, have a track record of closing ranks to protect their own :wink3:

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Yes BOTP morals are subjective, so I guess you can say 'my morals' if you like.

 

When I say 'its the most religious people who have the least morals' here is what I meant:

 

Just have a look at the media this week on where our most senior religious figures and devout Christian leaders in Australia stand on the big issues of the day (just from this weeks media):

 

  • We've covered the catholic church and Pell throughout this thread, and I think its not necessary that raping kids, covering up rape of kids, and failing to protect victims is pretty bad. Pell himself fails to show morals by (after al this time) putting his own personal safety/comfort ahead of those of hundreds of victims. Returning to give evidence is the RIGHT thing to do, but he simply won't. As pointed out, he is the Christopher Skase of the Catholic Church
  • Bolt and Price, both very devout, use their extensive media reach to protect Pell and the church in this whole sordid affair. Even going so far as to refer to victims as a 'lynch mob' in the press (Bolt did this)
  • Bernardi, the conveyor of all morals, wants a review of a program in schools that is aimed at reducing bullying of gay kids. It costs the government $9million a year and he's demanded a review. Meanwhile, no review of the $270-odd million a hear we spend specifically on religious ministers in schools
  • The Australian Christian Lobby issues more press releases against gay marriage in the last 2 years than ALL OTHER ISSUES COMBINED. Really? This is their number 1 issue! Bigger than hunger? bigger than homelessness? bigger than anything else they deal with!
  • This week the Australian Christian Lobby (and anti marriage equality campaigners) said it wants to suspend vilification/discrimination laws during the debate about marriage equality in the lead up to the plebiscite. Because, apparently, its only true Christians that go around being assholes to people and it is completely beyond their comprehension to raise issues and have a debate without breaking the law.
  • I could go on, but you don't really care

The point being, the most vocal, most influential religious people in our society spend a significant proportion of their time simply being assholes to other people. They dedicate unbelievable resources and effort to do so.

 

THAT is what I mean when I say the most religious are immoral. These are the leaders of the faith, the most focal, the ones that represent the church, the parliament, the community, the media...

 

And not one of them has done anything I can see that would come close to being moral.

 

If these are NOT the vocal leaders of the church then could you please point me to the senior religious (or religiously inspired) leaders within parliament, the church, the community (or other senior positions) who stood up this week to say something?

 

If only they took more of MickBillFrank's attitude and simply followed the teachings of Jesus, instead of their own religious clap-trap ideas.

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And while on religion and kids....

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/religious-children-less-altruistic-secular-kids-study?CMP=soc_567

 

"Religious belief appears to have negative influence on children’s altruism and judgments of others’ actions even as parents see them as ‘more empathetic’"

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Serious question - is there a reason the term 'child abuse' is used instead of 'rape'? It seems 'rape' is used in an adult context. Growing up the term 'child molester' was more common. In my mind the word 'rape' has an explicit meaning. Not in any way trying to distract or trivialise this issue, hope Ive not offended

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That why I dont send my kids to one. Your experience may vary of course!!

 

Folli, Michael Anthony, Marist Brother - 2002 Pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual intercourse without consent with a person under 16 and five counts of indecent assault on a male. The offences took place in 1980-83 while Folli was a teacher at Benedict Senior College, Auburn.[/size]

 

Then there were the others who while not being sexually abusive were downright cruel and vicious people.

 

That's the kind of thing I was referring to. Most disturbing - these brothers aren't often defrocked - they will often return to live with the order upon release...

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Yes BOTP morals are subjective, so I guess you can say 'my morals' if you like.

 

When I say 'its the most religious people who have the least morals' here is what I meant:

 

Just have a look at the media this week on where our most senior religious figures and devout Christian leaders in Australia stand on the big issues of the day (just from this weeks media):

 

 

  • We've covered the catholic church and Pell throughout this thread, and I think its not necessary that raping kids, covering up rape of kids, and failing to protect victims is pretty bad. Pell himself fails to show morals by (after al this time) putting his own personal safety/comfort ahead of those of hundreds of victims. Returning to give evidence is the RIGHT thing to do, but he simply won't. As pointed out, he is the Christopher Skase of the Catholic Church
  • Bolt and Price, both very devout, use their extensive media reach to protect Pell and the church in this whole sordid affair. Even going so far as to refer to victims as a 'lynch mob' in the press (Bolt did this)
  • Bernardi, the conveyor of all morals, wants a review of a program in schools that is aimed at reducing bullying of gay kids. It costs the government $9million a year and he's demanded a review. Meanwhile, no review of the $270-odd million a hear we spend specifically on religious ministers in schools
  • The Australian Christian Lobby issues more press releases against gay marriage in the last 2 years than ALL OTHER ISSUES COMBINED. Really? This is their number 1 issue! Bigger than hunger? bigger than homelessness? bigger than anything else they deal with!
  • This week the Australian Christian Lobby (and anti marriage equality campaigners) said it wants to suspend vilification/discrimination laws during the debate about marriage equality in the lead up to the plebiscite. Because, apparently, its only true Christians that go around being assholes to people and it is completely beyond their comprehension to raise issues and have a debate without breaking the law.
  • I could go on, but you don't really care
The point being, the most vocal, most influential religious people in our society spend a significant proportion of their time simply being assholes to other people. They dedicate unbelievable resources and effort to do so.

 

THAT is what I mean when I say the most religious are immoral. These are the leaders of the faith, the most focal, the ones that represent the church, the parliament, the community, the media...

 

And not one of them has done anything I can see that would come close to being moral.

 

If these are NOT the vocal leaders of the church then could you please point me to the senior religious (or religiously inspired) leaders within parliament, the church, the community (or other senior positions) who stood up this week to say something?

 

If only they took more of MickBillFrank's attitude and simply followed the teachings of Jesus, instead of their own religious clap-trap ideas.

It's a bit rich to expect Christian Leaders to follow the teachings of Jesus mate. That's communism!

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Serious question - is there a reason the term 'child abuse' is used instead of 'rape'? It seems 'rape' is used in an adult context. Growing up the term 'child molester' was more common. In my mind the word 'rape' has an explicit meaning. Not in any way trying to distract or trivialise this issue, hope Ive not offended

Strictly speaking 'rape' only refers to sexual intercourse without consent. Traditionally only penile-vagina intercourse. 'Child abuse' covers a much wider range of misconduct

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Strictly speaking 'rape' only refers to sexual intercourse without consent. Traditionally only penile-vagina intercourse. 'Child abuse' covers a much wider range of misconduct

Thanks for explaining

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Yes BOTP morals are subjective, so I guess you can say 'my morals' if you like.

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When I say 'its the most religious people who have the least morals' here is what I meant:

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Just have a look at the media this week on where our most senior religious figures and devout Christian leaders in Australia stand on the big issues of the day (just from this weeks media):

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  • We've covered the catholic church and Pell throughout this thread, and I think its not necessary that raping kids, covering up rape of kids, and failing to protect victims is pretty bad. Pell himself fails to show morals by (after al this time) putting his own personal safety/comfort ahead of those of hundreds of victims. Returning to give evidence is the RIGHT thing to do, but he simply won't. As pointed out, he is the Christopher Skase of the Catholic Church
  • Bolt and Price, both very devout, use their extensive media reach to protect Pell and the church in this whole sordid affair. Even going so far as to refer to victims as a 'lynch mob' in the press (Bolt did this)
  • Bernardi, the conveyor of all morals, wants a review of a program in schools that is aimed at reducing bullying of gay kids. It costs the government $9million a year and he's demanded a review. Meanwhile, no review of the $270-odd million a hear we spend specifically on religious ministers in schools
  • The Australian Christian Lobby issues more press releases against gay marriage in the last 2 years than ALL OTHER ISSUES COMBINED. Really?  This is their number 1 issue! Bigger than hunger? bigger than homelessness? bigger than anything else they deal with!
  • This week the Australian Christian Lobby (and anti marriage equality campaigners) said it wants to suspend vilification/discrimination laws during the debate about marriage equality in the lead up to the plebiscite. Because, apparently, its only true Christians that go around being assholes to people and it is completely beyond their comprehension to raise issues and have a debate without breaking the law. Â
  • I could go on, but you don't really care
The point being, the most vocal, most influential religious people in our society spend a significant proportion of their time simply being assholes to other people. They dedicate unbelievable resources and effort to do so.

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THAT is what I mean when  I say the most religious are immoral. These are the leaders of the faith, the most focal, the ones that represent the church, the parliament, the community, the media...

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And not one of them has done anything I can see that would come close to being moral.

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If these are NOT the vocal leaders of the church then could you please point me to the senior religious (or religiously inspired) leaders within parliament, the church, the community (or other senior positions)Â who stood up this week to say something?

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If only they took more of MickBillFrank's attitude and simply followed the teachings of Jesus, instead of their own religious clap-trap ideas.

The Right Reverend Andrew Bolt. Has a nice ring to it and identifies his political persuasion.

 

I ordain you the holy father of left wing mumbo jumbo.

 

Praise the lord.

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Ahhh yes, the old "I know I have no argument so I'll makes some sort of quip about lefty mumbo-jumbo" argument

 

That should distract everyone from your complete lack of reasoned and considered views ...

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Wow. So even the vayican doctors are in on this catholic conspiracy?

 

Luckily for the non religious among us the secular ama would ex communicate any of its members found to write a certificate to the effect that mr bloggs has suffered a serious workplace injury as a consequence of being required to do some actual work.

 

Ummm... have you ever heard of a small thing called conflict of interest?

 

It's a bit rich to expect Christian Leaders to follow the teachings of Jesus mate. That's communism!

Welll..... socialism would be closer to the mark. Left wing hippy anti wealth and anti "church as a business" socialist that told his followers to pay their taxes and not be assholes.

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Welll..... socialism would be closer to the mark. Left wing hippy anti wealth and anti "church as a business" socialist that told his followers to pay their taxes and not be assholes.

 

Wouldn't it be totalitarianism? After all, the dude's father would still hold the highest seat in the house :wink3:

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Wouldn't it be totalitarianism? After all, the dude's father would still hold the highest seat in the house :wink3:

Told ya. Communism!

 

Ever see Joseph Stalin and God the Father together at the same time?

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