Rog 1,763 Report post Posted October 7 The allegation is that he was withholding tax payer funded aid approved for release by congress under the condition of an investigation into a political opponent that he is scared of. Whether there is enough evidence of that is yet to be seen but it’s fantastic to see him wasting away whatever is left of his political capital in the process. Of course by that I mean not with the people that read of Fox News talking points but the ones who are swing voters and will vote for the most apt to represent the office of the president regardless of partisan affiliation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 987 Report post Posted October 7 9 hours ago, Rog said: The allegation is that he was withholding tax payer funded aid approved for release by congress under the condition of an investigation into a political opponent that he is scared of. Whether there is enough evidence of that is yet to be seen but it’s fantastic to see him wasting away whatever is left of his political capital in the process. Do you think the 'four years of doing nothing but witch hunts' narrative might hurt the Democrats next year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rog 1,763 Report post Posted October 7 No, to be honest I think it's been done to death already. People are not stupid either, they can see the talking points just get repeated over and over so its not as effective. If Trump was really confident in his internal poll numbers (that he says are "great") he would be bragging about it already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 987 Report post Posted October 8 3 hours ago, Rog said: No, to be honest I think it's been done to death already. People are not stupid either, they can see the talking points just get repeated over and over so its not as effective. If Trump was really confident in his internal poll numbers (that he says are "great") he would be bragging about it already. Some might say the 'Trump is Hitler' narrative has been done to death too As you say, the democrats need to show a specific reference to the aid being withheld and a link with biden. More and more communications being released showing discussions about corruption generally are not going to cut it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 3,638 Report post Posted October 8 31 minutes ago, IronJimbo said: Some might say the 'Trump is Hitler' narrative has been done to death too As you say, the democrats need to show a specific reference to the aid being withheld and a link with biden. More and more communications being released showing discussions about corruption generally are not going to cut it Some might say the "Crooked Hillary" narrative has been done to death too even after the Benghazi investigation and hours of testimony Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rog 1,763 Report post Posted October 8 (edited) 41 minutes ago, IronJimbo said: Some might say the 'Trump is Hitler' narrative has been done to death too As you say, the democrats need to show a specific reference to the aid being withheld and a link with biden. More and more communications being released showing discussions about corruption generally are not going to cut it I don’t hear Trump is Hitler here at all. What I do hear a lot is trump is corrupt and self serving, and that’s hard to disagree with. Edited October 8 by Rog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 987 Report post Posted October 8 5 minutes ago, Bored@work said: Some might say the "Crooked Hillary" narrative has been done to death too even after the Benghazi investigation and hours of testimony I'm not expecting benghazi to be a prominent issue in the 2020 election Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 987 Report post Posted October 8 1 minute ago, Rog said: I don’t hear Trump is Hitler here at all. What I do hear a lot is trump is corrupt and self serving, and that’s hard to disagree with. Well as the democrats are finding out, it's also rather hard to prove Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 3,638 Report post Posted October 8 1 hour ago, IronJimbo said: I'm not expecting benghazi to be a prominent issue in the 2020 election I'm not expecting Trump to be an issue in the 2020 election. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 987 Report post Posted October 8 4 hours ago, Bored@work said: I'm not expecting Trump to be an issue in the 2020 election. Don't say I didn't warn you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
symo 93 Report post Posted October 8 Lucky the Kurds aren't voting for him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 3,404 Report post Posted October 8 (edited) Faris stopped from going to kona. Quote Defending champion Patrick Lange has to make do without Faris Al-Sultan at the Ironman World Championship in Hawaii. The US authorities have denied the coach Faris Al-Sultan the visa. Ironman champion Patrick Lange has to give up his coach Faris Al-Sultan in the title hat-trick attempt on Hawaii. The 2005 World Champion from Munich did not receive a visa to enter the USA. That's what the magazine Triathlon wrote on Tuesday on its homepage. The German Triathlon Union, in which Al-Sultan works as a national coach, confirmed the report to the German Press Agency. Long coach has stayed in Munich. Faris Al-Sultan took the unexpected obstacle with humor. He would now "go crazy" at his wife's home, "the 41-year-old said after the US authorities refused him a visa and a trip to Hawaii. There, Al-Sultan actually wanted Ironman world champion Patrick Lange to head to the title hat-trick, "but you can not enter with your Arabic name," explained Al-Sultan https://www.hessenschau.de/sport/mehr-sport/kein-visum-patrick-lange-ohne-trainer-faris-al-sultan-zur-ironman-wm,lange-al-sultan-100.html Edited October 8 by Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,938 Report post Posted October 8 20 minutes ago, Peter said: Faris stopped from going to kona. https://www.hessenschau.de/sport/mehr-sport/kein-visum-patrick-lange-ohne-trainer-faris-al-sultan-zur-ironman-wm,lange-al-sultan-100.html He wasn't refused a visa, he was refused a visa waiver, which is very different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarryBevan 996 Report post Posted October 8 Farris is German any reason why he didn’t get the waiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,938 Report post Posted October 8 2 minutes ago, BarryBevan said: Farris is German any reason why he didn’t get the waiver His Father is Iraqi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 3,404 Report post Posted October 8 48 minutes ago, FatPom said: He wasn't refused a visa, he was refused a visa waiver, which is very different. Technically I’m sure but he can’t go to the USA because of his father. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,938 Report post Posted October 8 1 minute ago, Peter said: Technically I’m sure but he can’t go to the USA because of his father. Pretty much, because as I understand it, children of Iraqis are by default, Iraqi citizens which cannot be revoked. Which is kind of ironic because Germany doesn't allow dual citizenship. Remember, the law has changed since he probably did his last ESTA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarryBevan 996 Report post Posted October 8 So he can get a visa but left it too late. And he’s Iraqi even if he doesn’t want to be and Germany don’t recognise him as an Iraqi after taking German citizenship Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 3,404 Report post Posted October 8 11 minutes ago, BarryBevan said: So he can get a visa but left it too late. And he’s Iraqi even if he doesn’t want to be and Germany don’t recognise him as an Iraqi after taking German citizenship Yeah I’m confused. he is German. But dad is Iraqi. So even if he applied for a visa he would be turned down anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,938 Report post Posted October 8 34 minutes ago, Peter said: Yeah I’m confused. he is German. But dad is Iraqi. So even if he applied for a visa he would be turned down anyway? I'm not even sure what visa he could apply for. Technically, if he was going out there as a coach, he would have been breaching his VWP anyway, as it doesn't allow any working (although it does allow for business trips and certain clauses about 'imparting knowledge). He has obviously had a valid ESTA before but that was before Trump changed on visitors from certain nations/religions. If you eligible for a VWP, you have almost zero chance of getting a B2. (visitor visa). The 'W' in VWP stands for 'waiver', it has massive implications and gives the recipient zero rights in the US, unlike a visa, which has due process and avenues of appeal. He's in a catch 22 here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-Hasbeen 7,422 Report post Posted October 8 (edited) Why couldn't he apply for a P-1S? So how do they handle international sporting events? Does this mean no more Olympics bids etc for the US? It would automatically disqualify a lot of countries from coming. Edited October 8 by Ex-Hasbeen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,938 Report post Posted October 9 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said: Why couldn't he apply for a P-1S? So how do they handle international sporting events? Does this mean no more Olympics bids etc for the US? It would automatically disqualify a lot of countries from coming. P1 (O1 if it's dual intent) are very hard to get and used to to have a very low issue ceiling, something like 30,000 per year. I have no idea how they handle arg sporting events, you could look it up I guess. I'm saying why he didn't get a VWP. Applying for anything other than a (not a visa) VWP for the US incredibly hard, long and complicated. Any visa he applies for now will almost certainly default to AP (Administrative Processing) which takes forever. I've forgotten most of what I used to know about this but I'm pretty sure Rog will agree, it's never a matter of 'why doesn't he just'...when it comes to US visas. Edited October 9 by FatPom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
symo 93 Report post Posted October 9 Probably the way he used to insert that water bottle between his butt cheeks got the religious right all in a flutter and they complained to their man😎😎😎. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarryBevan 996 Report post Posted October 9 As a German he gets the visa waiver. Because he has Iraqi father he does not, lets not dance around the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,938 Report post Posted October 9 23 minutes ago, BarryBevan said: As a German he gets the visa waiver. Because he has Iraqi father he does not, lets not dance around the issue. Nobody is dancing around the issue. I clearly stated that was the reason, what are you not getting about that? I'm not the ****in spokesperson here, I just happen (or used to) know a bit about the visa process. If you want info, do your own research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarryBevan 996 Report post Posted October 9 1 hour ago, FatPom said: Nobody is dancing around the issue. I clearly stated that was the reason, what are you not getting about that? I'm not the ****in spokesperson here, I just happen (or used to) know a bit about the visa process. If you want info, do your own research. Not having a go at you, reflecting on the silliness of the rule. He is born in Munich to german mother can't accrue Iraqi citizenship by German law, yet can't get to the USA because of his Iraqi relations. I think I agree with you 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-Hasbeen 7,422 Report post Posted October 9 (edited) I haven't been able to find anything other than that short article, but is it that he was expecting a waiver, and when he didn't get it, did not have time to arrange a normal visa that would cover the trip? "Trump won't let me in" makes a much better story than "I left it too late to apply for a visa" though. Edited October 9 by Ex-Hasbeen 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 3,638 Report post Posted October 9 Ask Ironjimbo. He’s an expert on everything USA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronmanFoz 1,317 Report post Posted October 9 On 8/10/2019 at 8:19 AM, Rog said: If Trump was really confident in his internal poll numbers (that he says are "great") he would be bragging about it already. Actually.... if Trump wasn't confident....he would be telling everyone how confident he is.... Reverse psychology! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronmanFoz 1,317 Report post Posted October 9 17 hours ago, FatPom said: He wasn't refused a visa, he was refused a visa waiver, which is very different. Faris can use facebook live like the rest of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatPom 4,938 Report post Posted October 9 27 minutes ago, IronmanFoz said: Faris can use facebook live like the rest of us. He'll be seeing more of it than I will be then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawman 474 Report post Posted October 9 On 08/10/2019 at 8:46 PM, symo said: Lucky the Kurds aren't voting for him Nah, that was the Turds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 987 Report post Posted October 9 9 hours ago, Bored@work said: Ask Ironjimbo. He’s an expert on everything USA. lol God you're a sook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 3,638 Report post Posted October 9 2 hours ago, IronJimbo said: lol God you're a sook First time I have been accused of that. I just thought having never visited to the US but always being right on gun control, violence, politics and everything else related to the USA you would know everything about the Visa and immigration laws. Let me type it slowly so you understand. I w a s tak innng the pissss o ut of you...……. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 987 Report post Posted October 10 29 minutes ago, Bored@work said: First time I have been accused of that. I just thought having never visited to the US but always being right on gun control, violence, politics and everything else related to the USA you would know everything about the Visa and immigration laws. Let me type it slowly so you understand. I w a s tak innng the pissss o ut of you...……. I've never claimed to be an expert on the U.S, or anything else for that matter Perhaps you should stick to facts and not strawmen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 3,638 Report post Posted October 10 1 hour ago, IronJimbo said: I've never claimed to be an expert on the U.S, or anything else for that matter Perhaps you should stick to facts and not strawmen Lol God, you’re a sook. 2 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rog 1,763 Report post Posted October 10 If those are poll numbers from Fox News imagine what the real numbers are https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 3,404 Report post Posted October 10 11 minutes ago, Rog said: If those are poll numbers from Fox News imagine what the real numbers are https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment Guessing someone on here will claim those are all democratic voters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-Hasbeen 7,422 Report post Posted October 10 11 minutes ago, Peter said: Guessing someone on here will claim those are all democratic voters. Cause we all know they interact with Fox all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 3,404 Report post Posted October 10 28 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said: Cause we all know they interact with Fox all the time. Yep not one of those people that were polled are Republicans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronJimbo 987 Report post Posted October 10 5 hours ago, Peter said: Guessing someone on here will claim those are all democratic voters. That would be an intellectually dishonest thing to say I trust you'll be straight on to this person when they show up to tell them what a silly billy they are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 3,638 Report post Posted October 10 1 hour ago, IronJimbo said: That would be an intellectually dishonest thing to say I trust you'll be straight on to this person when they show up to tell them what a silly billy they are Lol, God, you’re a sook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 3,404 Report post Posted October 10 Haha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parkside 1,146 Report post Posted October 10 Apparently all the strawmen are using illegal handguns in Chicago ghettos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored@work 3,638 Report post Posted October 10 4 minutes ago, Parkside said: Apparently all the strawmen are using illegal handguns in Chicago ghettos. Lol, God, you’re a sook. Sorry. Couldn’t help myself. I will go sit in the naughty corner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronmanFoz 1,317 Report post Posted October 10 3 hours ago, Bored@work said: Sorry. Couldn’t help myself. I will go sit in the naughty corner Yeah you big sook!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-Hasbeen 7,422 Report post Posted October 10 It just gets messier. Two of Giuliani's associates (1 born in the Ukraine & the other in Belarus) were arrested while waiting for their one way flights out of the US. Both arrested for funneling foreign money to candidates outside of the US laws. Of course Trump knows neither of them, and I suppose neither will Giuliani. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rog 1,763 Report post Posted October 10 Except for some dinner dates here and there. Witch hunt! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rog 1,763 Report post Posted October 10 To think that Rudi Giuliani was the American mayor, a symbol of hope post 9/11 attacks. And now just an unhinged old man helping crooks help a crook. Sad! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 422 Report post Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Rog said: To think that Rudi Giuliani was the American mayor, a symbol of hope post 9/11 attacks. And now just an unhinged old man helping crooks help a crook. Sad! Yeah its bizarre watching him carry on like this after the solid job he did as mayor & 9/11. Maybe what we're seeing now is how he has always been behind the scenes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
