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Brian Lara has come out and said Australia could now decline in cricket like the Windies.

 

Geez that gets my goat up, i say absolute horse crap We have been down before and gotten back pretty dam quickly.

 

piss off lara

 

 

I could imagine that happening. Much less interest in the game than 10/15 years ago. Last year's Sheffield Shield final, there were less than 100 spectators (86 to be precise) and they were let in for free. Compare to that to last years Super XV final where ticket sales grossed over 1.7 million and that's not including the number of pies sold.

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Rod Marsh gone.

Wonder who is next up?

Maybe now they will stop picking all the other dud Marsh's though.....

They're not even related.

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They're not even related.

I know they are of the Geoff variety, but I can only hope a No Marsh policy has been put in place :D

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I could imagine that happening. Much less interest in the game than 10/15 years ago. Last year's Sheffield Shield final, there were less than 100 spectators (86 to be precise) and they were let in for free. Compare to that to last years Super XV final where ticket sales grossed over 1.7 million and that's not including the number of pies sold.

 

 

so we will start losing to bangladesh? papua? nooooooooooo

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Khawaja batted well again today, confirmed his position for the rest of the summer even though it should never have been under threat in the first place.

 

Handscombe also scored another century for Victoria and will likely take Voges spot who got felled and retired hurt by a bouncer to the head. The selectors will probably use that as an excuse to 'rest' him from which he will probably never return. Bit of a tough fall from grace for a guy who was compared to Bradman last summer and still averages well over 60 in test cricket!

 

QLDer Matty Renshaw also made a nice century alongside Usman for his third century in 8 matches to throw his hat in the ring as a bolter. Likewise, Boof Lehman's young fella, Jake, is averaging almost 50 in his short first class career. They might throw a couple of young guys like this into the team on gut feel and instinct and see if they can cope with the rise in pressure and standards.

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Matt Renshaw a breezy run-a-ball 50 in 2nd innings as Bulls chase quick runs. His family should be checking out flight bookings to Adelaide.

I hope whatever youngsters do get picked are given a good run as throwing them into a pink ball day-night test first up is hardly ideal.

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So our recent fall from grace is all because of a cheating SA captain?

 

Why on earth set that kind of example as captain when you're competing against a team like ours?

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Matt Renshaw a breezy run-a-ball 50 in 2nd innings as Bulls chase quick runs. His family should be checking out flight bookings to Adelaide.

I hope whatever youngsters do get picked are given a good run as throwing them into a pink ball day-night test first up is hardly ideal.

I'd say they certainly are now.

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It had to happen, changes needed to be made.

 

Our bowling stocks are healthy, especially when we can get them all fit and healthy on the park at the same time. I dream of the day that Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Pattinson are all in the same bowling attack. Four guys all over 6ft, all bowling 140-155km/hr. It would be reminiscent of the great Windies teams of the 80's......who needs a spinner. They can be ably supported by Bird (who I've always liked in seaming conditions such as Sydney or NZ last year) and Sayers (who's been unlucky not to have a run before now based on pure weight of wickets and consistency).

 

However our young crop of batsmen have not stood up and demanded to be selected. The selectors have had to pick based on gut feel and instinct. Which of the batsmen under 25yrs old has the technique, confidence and temperament to succeed at Test level? I like the selections - Handscombe looks all class, Renshaw has started his FC career brilliantly and benefitted by Bancroft's form lapse. Maddison's spot could have gone to any number of players such as himself, Patterson, Lehman etc.

 

I'm excited by the future but, as stated, these guys need a long time to cement their spots without excessive pressure to succeed immediately. Remember that Steve Waugh was dropped and took 26 Test matches to score his first Test century before going on to score 32 hundreds!!! These guys need time if they are the right guys and we need to be prepared for the situation to get worse before it gets better but that can only happen if we put the faith in the youth.

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I think one of those nasty down turns in Aussie cricket is what we need. And don't say it's already happened. 3 months ago we were the No.1 ranked test team. We need years at the bottom to toughen the shit up. Cricket was tougher 40 years ago.

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Batting should be better with a proper batsman at 6 and Wade at 7.

 

Bit less flexibility with the bowling, miss a Greg Blewett type in the top 6 who can roll the arm over for 3 or 4 overs a day. Smith seems reluctant to bowl himself.

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Hanscomb gets to 50 on debut, go you good thing! Aussies get a first innings lead.

Amazing what can happen when the top order use up some time and opposition bowlers start to get a bit tired, while our bowlers get a rare full days rest.

Bavuma putting on a show in the field.

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Is everyone else hating Michael Clarke as a commentator? Seriously like fingernails on a blackboard.

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Is everyone else hating Michael Clarke as a commentator? Seriously like fingernails on a blackboard.

 

Since when did the word Australia have an "sch" sound in it as in Auschtralia, he and Warnie are bandits for it.

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Since when did the word Australia have an "sch" sound in it as in Auschtralia, he and Warnie are bandits for it.

 

That's probably the worst indiscretion - Oshtralia. He's just full of mindless drivel, bit like here, eh Roxii? :lol:

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That's probably the worst indiscretion - Oshtralia. He's just full of mindless drivel, bit like here, eh Roxii? :lol:

 

 

:lol: C'mon mate we are Oshtralias premier Triathlon blathering site.

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Is everyone else hating Michael Clarke as a commentator? Seriously like fingernails on a blackboard.

I have to turn down the audio for any of: Clarke, Warne, Slater, Pietersen

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I know I am getting ahead of myself to think we could even be competitive in India but...

 

Is Wade's keeping too much of a liability for the subcontinent? A missed stumping and catch off Lyon in this match on a much more docile wicket. It is lucky that those misses as well as Smith's slippery fingers didn't end up costing Australia the match.

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England just made 477 against India. Handy total yet face a first innings deficit of 268 and India declared....without any of their big guns firing.

 

Could be an ugly tour coming up.

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I'm just as biased as anyone else towards your own state players being represented (although torn as it damages the sheffield shield chances) but as a Victorian Wade should not be playing. Don't like Neville either. You do need a batting keeper these days but not one that lets down chances regularly. Shame Sam Whiteman hasn't come on or Tim Paine. Similar with Bancroft who can keep, but not sure how effective.

 

Nic Maddinson was lucky to be selected and has boxing day test to get a Guernsey to India otherwise Marsh (one of them) is back in.

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Big Bash starts tonight, Channel 10 commentary team much more enjoyable to listen to then Channel 9 mob, especially Punter and Mark Howard. Howard's podcast The Howie Games is excellent as well.

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England just made 477 against India. Handy total yet face a first innings deficit of 268 and India declared....without any of their big guns firing.

 

Could be an ugly tour coming up.

 

Now have lost by an innings....after scoring 477!!!

 

Good to see the Big Bash back though. A little underwhelming with the scheduling in that they can't get the best players in as AUS, SA and NZ playing international cricket at this time against another international opponent. India also. Need a better time of the year, but weather wise it's good and there is limited options. IPL got in early and rule the roost for these comps.

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Decent finish at the MCG.

We always seem to end up with a bit of a bits and pieces team by the SCG Test. Guessing Agar locked in to play and bat 6 or 7.

Other spot between Bird and O'Keefe if Starc is good to back up.

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Not that comfortable with the kiwi captain and coaching staff at the Heat, but they are winning atm....

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Haha Matt Wade is ODI skipper for NZ games, enjoy the shuffle down the batting order Mr Maxwell.

 

niiiice garry

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That would have to have been a day out of Australian Cricket's wildest dreams.

 

Starc took us through to a respectable score of 260, with a run a ball 61, and then O'keefe knocks the Indians from 3/94 to all out for 105, with a 6 wicket haul in only his 4th test. We've now got nearly a 300 run lead with 6 wickets in hand, and Smith playing well for a 2nd innings.

 

Could the novel idea of playing 2 spinners on a traditional spinners wicket actually work?

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Long way to go in this match and an even longer way to go in the series. Another 100+ runs tomorrow and we've at least put ourselves in a position where we are the only team that can win the match. It's probably fair to say that the Indians may have taken us a bit for granted and believed their own press. 1-0 up in a four match series is significant.

 

I was actually surprised by this pitch, in the recent England series that I watched most of, there weren't any 'bunson-burner', heavily worn pitches. They were actually all very fair pitches that took spin later on but were good to bat on early (England made 400+ first innings scores three times in the series I think!). The Indians trusted their great batting line up and then trusted their great spinners to take wickets in bundles in the second dig especially. This pitch is nothing like those and it may end up biting the home side having lost the toss. I think that 60 odd runs that Starc put on may end up being the turning point (and obviously O'Keefe's spell).

 

Hopefully tomorrow we bat them into oblivion and then roll them quickly in the second dig.

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I'm still disgusted with the decision to drop Khawaja, he was our top scorer in the last home summer and he's being pigeon-holed because of a bad series against Swann (English spinner) several seasons ago when he was new to international cricket. All the batsmen struggled in Sri Lanka so he wasn't on his Pat Malone there, so who's to say he hasn't improved his technique against quality spin bowling.

 

I'm not sure why we try to go away from the formula that has made us a powerhouse throughout the history of the game every time we tour the sub-continent? 3 genuine quick, fast bowlers, a good, tight spinner, a keeper and 6 specialist batsmen. Now if one of those batsmen happens to bowl a bit (such as Smith's leggies) then that's a bonus but he's earns his spot first and foremost as a batsman. We've been on this crusade to find an all-rounder ever since Flintoff gave us a touch up in '05. Let's not forget that our only series win against India in the last 40 years came thanks to a superb bowling effort from Gillespie (primarily), McGrath and Kaspawisz - Warnie actually had a pretty quiet series that year.

 

Granted there may be occasions (such as this Test match ironically!!!) where the conditions may warrant a second spinner in place of your third quick but that is not always Australia's strength. We must remember that the Indians are the best players of spin in the world so there's even less reason to stray from our strength of fast bowlers. It's also not the kind of place where you can afford to go in with only 5 batsmen. M. Marsh has yet to show any indication that he is a test quality batsman, let alone a test number six! And frankly if your four front-line bowlers can't get you 20 wickets then you're pushing shit up hill anyway so who cares if M. Marsh can bowl a few overs.

 

I would have kept the top 5 that we had in the Paki series, bat Shaun Marsh at 6, or perhaps shuffle the order slightly if required. Toss a coin between O'Keefe and Bird depending on the conditions. Mitch Marsh didn't even bowl in India's first dig and looked all at sea in his first innings. Hopefully he proves me wrong tomorrow and supports Smith but I'm damn sure Khawaja would have contributed more with the bat in any case.

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I'm still disgusted with the decision to drop Khawaja

 

 

be happy, we are doing ok without him so far. if the next pitch is a dustbowl, which i am sure the indians will be sandpapering the next pitch as we speak, maybe bring him in, but no chance they would be silly to mess with this team if we get home in this test.

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and bloody poor sports the Indians. I thought a few of the fans or at least the indian team might have given Steve Smith a polite clap when he got his century. i dont like them!

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be happy, we are doing ok without him so far. if the next pitch is a dustbowl, which i am sure the indians will be sandpapering the next pitch as we speak, maybe bring him in, but no chance they would be silly to mess with this team if we get home in this test.

 

I still think Khawaja brings more to the depth of the team than M.Marsh, who has done nothing in this match. Least of all bowl which is why he's in the 11 supposedly anyway. Judging by the way the curry-munchers have play our spinners they might not be so inclined to deliver a raging turner/dust bowl.

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All 10 wickets to the 2 spinners in the 2nd innings, and 17 for the match. Only 4 overs bowled by quicks in the 2nd.

 

The words "Only in India" seem to ring true here.

 

I'm also wondering what the 2nd test wicket will look like. :)

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India 7/181. Top score 87 not out, next best 26. Another dismal performance so far by the home side, but there seems to be a bit of turn, so we're yet to see how we bat.

 

Lyon 5 wickets so far this innings and O'Keefe 1.

 

Edit to say:

All out for 189. Lyon - 8/50.

12 byes in that total as well. Either Wade had a shocker (he took 2 stumpings though) or it was turning something fierce.

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India 7/181. Top score 87 not out, next best 26. Another dismal performance so far by the home side, but there seems to be a bit of turn, so we're yet to see how we bat.

 

Lyon 5 wickets so far this innings and O'Keefe 1.

 

Edit to say:

All out for 189. Lyon - 8/50.

12 byes in that total as well. Either Wade had a shocker (he took 2 stumpings though) or it was turning something fierce.

 

Even one of the stumping he fumbled very badly and nearly messed it up. I watched most of the day's play and it wasn't turning particularly fiercely but it was actually reasonably bouncy that caused more of the problems. That being said there were already a few that started to keep low.

 

Lyon bowled absolutely beautifully all day - well deserved.

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Tomorrow (Sunday) is perhaps the most important day of this whole series. Mentally, and in the context of the match, we are well on top. We need to bat them out of this game by one, or ideally two, guys going on to make big hundreds. If we can post 450+ hopefully we won't even have to bat again.

 

I think it's possible as well because it actually looked like the pitch played alright. Looked pretty pacey with decent bounce albeit with a few that already started to keep low so perhaps not consistent bounce. It was almost an Aussie type pitch with some big cracks that are already starting to open up.

 

That's why tomorrow is critical, I don't want to be batting last on this pitch and chasing a significant total.

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An Indian guy I work backed Australia to win the series. I laughed at him. I'm not sure what odds he got but I'm sure they were healthy!

 

There is no talk of India throwing this is there? ....

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Tomorrow (Sunday) is perhaps the most important day of this whole series. Mentally, and in the context of the match, we are well on top. We need to bat them out of this game by one, or ideally two, guys going on to make big hundreds. If we can post 450+ hopefully we won't even have to bat again.

 

I think it's possible as well because it actually looked like the pitch played alright. Looked pretty pacey with decent bounce albeit with a few that already started to keep low so perhaps not consistent bounce. It was almost an Aussie type pitch with some big cracks that are already starting to open up.

 

That's why tomorrow is critical, I don't want to be batting last on this pitch and chasing a significant total.

I think in the last 20 years, this is the only Indian ground where we have won more tests than lost, and the average first innings score is around 450 runs. Unless they have really doctored it, which is unlikely after O'keefe showed them what he could do in the first test, then India just failed miserably, and we should wrap this up batting once.

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Mitchell Marsh disappoints again. He seems to have no concept of the critical periods of the match when he simply must survive (i.e. The last ball before tea!!!). I'm still yet to see what he brings to this team, yes he is an decent bowler but we can't be carrying a passenger at No.6 and he has in no way shown any indication that he is capable of batting at Test level (or first-class level for that matter!).

 

Our bowling attack has shown itself to be strong in these conditions, it's our batting that is fragile. We need the additional strength that Khawaja brings, especially on these pitches.

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At this point, I'd only put Australia at a very slight lead. Having to bat last on a pitch that's throwing this much unpredictable bounce at the batsmen means we need a good lead on the first innings. A 50 run lead I feel would draw us level.

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