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  1. 1. Do you suffer from a mental illness?

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  2. 2. Do you know someone who suffers a mental illness

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1 hour ago, goughy said:

Honestly, we'd rather just wear the costs rather than push the issue and maybe get someone off side!  It's been too much of a push to get in there to risk anything.  A bit like the testing at the USQ clinic, they probably wouldn't have charged us if we really wanted to make an issue of it.  But thousands of dollars of testing and reports for a few hundred bucks, you just stuck it up.

So far we're pretty stoked.  Longing way to go still, but more forward steps than backwards now.

Totally understand 

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5 hours ago, goughy said:

A gaming incident which also would have him going of like a rocket still upset him, but the reaction was much more settled and he got over it in short order.  The best thing though, is so far the new don't seem to be having any negative effects on him.  Some people worry that putting their kids on meds will return them into emotionless drones, or they'll withdraw into a shell or something.  But we're seeing the opposite.  

Thats some great progress.

They even everything out. I find that I am not flying off the handle at everything now compared to no meds. It also helps you get interacting again as you find yourself in your own head less. 

Still suffer the lows, of late it has been around my body and how it looks, started with the worlds team uniform, then when I saw the worlds photos, now looking at wedding dresses. Everyone else over there on the internet thinks clothing is optional (there is a gym challenge going on where I used to live), I still want to cover myself up. Does not help when thin people say they are fat....if you are, then what am I? 😤

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I get you Jess. 
I love following people in Kona or stuff like that, but then I see my reflection or look down at my guts and it’s tough not to be discouraged by the comparison. 

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20 minutes ago, Tyno said:

I get you Jess. 
I love following people in Kona or stuff like that, but then I see my reflection or look down at my guts and it’s tough not to be discouraged by the comparison. 

True, but you have to find a way to break that cycle.

there will always be someone richer, smarter, faster, better looking or thinner buy you don’t know what else they are dealing with. They may look at you and think “I’m thin but why am I not happy?”

Just do what you can, be the best you that you can be at any given time. If you stumble don’t punish yourself, take stock and get back on track. But he sure to mentally reward yourself at regular intervals if you get through a meal, or a day or a week without falling off the rails. 

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3 hours ago, MissJess said:

Thats some great progress.

They even everything out. I find that I am not flying off the handle at everything now compared to no meds. It also helps you get interacting again as you find yourself in your own head less. 

Still suffer the lows, of late it has been around my body and how it looks, started with the worlds team uniform, then when I saw the worlds photos, now looking at wedding dresses. Everyone else over there on the internet thinks clothing is optional (there is a gym challenge going on where I used to live), I still want to cover myself up. Does not help when thin people say they are fat....if you are, then what am I? 😤

It's all relative though isn't it?  I've had this thrown at me at work by a very very overweight lady who said similar when I said I'd put on a lot of weight this and was fatter than I should be, or want to be.

She said 'oh it's alright for you because you don't have to try'.  She seemed genuinely shocked when I said it's a constant struggle and has been for 25yrs and it's the same with being 'fit'  (she's just started Park Runs and is full of 'helpful advice' :whistling:) she thinks it 'just happens' for others.

If a thin person thinks they are fat, then it's relative to them if they've put on weight, and the effects on how they feel about themselves can't be dismissed just because they aren't as big as others. I'm definitely not proud of myself this year and it's only me that can fix it. :wallbash:

 

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On ‎17‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 6:36 PM, roxii said:

there will always be someone richer, smarter, faster, better looking or thinner ..................

There lies the issue. People should not compare themselves to others. Be  the person you are. Adapt, overcome , improvise. 

And if you are one of the folks who compare yourself to others don't....and stop following people on social media unless you know them.

On the radio this morning.....Apparently 1 in 7 people in Australia have a mental health issue. Why? How is this so?

 

 

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It's not something knew.  They were always there before.  No one knew about them and you just went on living with however you were.  

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48 minutes ago, goughy said:

It's not something knew.  They were always there before.  No one knew about them and you just went on living with however you were.  

Glenn Maxwell has just stepped away from cricket to deal with it.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/aussie-cricket-star-glenn-maxwell-takes-break-from-game-for-mental-health-reasons/news-story/e9c227916333875ed616daaa7b83bcf1

 

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6 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I don't buy it when it comes to pro sports people (am always suspicious they have don't something wrong). They have all the resources and financial backing available. I think it is an insult to normal people when normal people with issues are left to there own devices and are often questioned, where the sports folks are given all the sympathy in the world. And they never say what the issue is.... Mental health is quite a broad spectrum. 

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You could say the same about someone like Robin Williams then? (not having a go at you).  In fact, pretty much any person that earns in the realms of several hundred thousand and more can afford to find care.

The stigma and shame transcends wealth.  I truly believe the saying "money can't buy happiness" rings to some degree true.  I'm sure I read somewhere or someone say it can make the bad times better, but it doesn't solve everything.  

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1 hour ago, goughy said:

 

The stigma and shame transcends wealth.  I truly believe the saying "money can't buy happiness" rings to some degree true.  I'm sure I read somewhere or someone say it can make the bad times better, but it doesn't solve everything.  

Rich people who say ‘money doesn’t buy happiness’ never seem to try living without it.

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5 hours ago, IronmanFoz said:

I don't buy it when it comes to pro sports people (am always suspicious they have don't something wrong). They have all the resources and financial backing available. I think it is an insult to normal people when normal people with issues are left to there own devices and are often questioned, where the sports folks are given all the sympathy in the world. And they never say what the issue is.... Mental health is quite a broad spectrum. 

So.... more info has come out on Maxwell. It appears he is all upset because he hasn’t been selected lately after putting in so much work. Craddocks article on news.com.au. 

So for every kid who doesn’t make the school team or every triathlete that has a bad race in the Ironman...... should we then cry mental health.

No wonder society is so f$&ked when these stories come out. Like I said before it’s an insult to those people who do have real issues from a wide range of causes and who are genuine and don’t have the opportunity to sit on the sideline for a few weeks or months. The real people have lives to lead and families to support......responsibilities!

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Yeah,  it can be a pisser when you see things like that, but the reality is we really don't know what's going on in his head.  It is easy to say that they have access to all the help in the world.  But everyone's problems are different, and everyone's ability to deal with them different.  My wife should be a bumbling mess I reckon, but she has the strongest of minds.  I look at me and my head and feel like a loser with what I can't deal with, but I know that's just how mine works.  It needs help, but is strong in its own ways.  

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20 hours ago, IronmanFoz said:

On the radio this morning.....Apparently 1 in 7 people in Australia have a mental health issue. Why? How is this so?

I've been thinking about this the last couple of days.  As I said, I don't believe it's necessarily because a greater percentage of people suffer from mental health conditions than before, but because they can more readily be diagnosed these days than before.  But how to find some way to compare the past to now?

So I thought maybe looking at one statistic that does involve mental health but didn't really need a diagnosis to be recorded.  And a bit of a taboo topic, suicide rates!

When I looked at it, the suicide rate in the US is about 13.5 per 100,000 of population.  In 1950 it was 13.2.  there are periods where it dropped under 11, but it's tended to float around that average for the last 60 years.  In the UK and Wales, around 1911 it was up around 30 per 100,000.  It showed quite dramatic drops and rises, going up to around 30 again, and dropping down to the low teens where it sits now.  In Australia in 1955 it was 9.3 per 100,000.  In 1965 it was 14.9.  by the 90's it was in the lower teens, and in 2006 it was actually 8.2 per 100,000.

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I think it also that it depends what they mean by "Mental Health Issue".

A mental health issue doesn't need to be something that incapacitates a person. A person that has a drop in work performance due to feeling continually depressed about what is happening in their life has a mental health issue, the same way that a person who has time off work for the flu has, at that time, a physical health issue.

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And also, many will only have that problem for a short period of time.  It still adds to the statistics.  Some will be medicated for life yet suffer few, if any more episodes.  My father met many bipolar sufferers that had only had one episode in their life, with medication successfully keeping at bay, and leading pretty much normal lives them on.

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On the subject of sports / mental health...

For me one of the most revealing books I've read about mental health generally, and sports people specifically was this one about Robert Enke - former Barcelona and German goalkeeper.

"A life too short" by Ronald Reng

A real eye opener on the insidious ways mental health can affect anyone and everyone, and that even those who seemingly have it all (from the outside looking in) can be plagued by inner demons.

Well worth a read if interested in the subject, be prepared to find it pretty sad and heart rending.

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In the interests of a safe space type of conversation. 
I’m interested in other perspectives on thinking about suicide, as distinct from suicidal thoughts ( in my mind at least)

I have fairly regular thoughts about suicide, usually similar themes or methods. I’ve never acted on the thoughts, but they hang around or pop back up, especially when in not satisfied at work or home or whatever. 

Is it something worth mentioning to the GP next visit? I usually brush it off as minor stuff, so not worth mentioning. I don’t think I’m any danger to myself. 
Do other people have similar thoughts, without connecting it to a mental condition?

PM if you’d like. :)

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I don't think it's unusual to have negative thoughts when things are tough.  I couldn't say if it's normal, cause I'm far from normal.  And have periods of those thoughts, and often around a similar theme.  You could mention it to your doc, but it might depend on how far you want things to go.  They may want to set up a mental health plan and suggest you see a psychologist.  One appointment might be all.

It's not strange to think about life, the universe, and everything, and your place in it all.

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1 hour ago, Tyno said:

In the interests of a safe space type of conversation. 
I’m interested in other perspectives on thinking about suicide, as distinct from suicidal thoughts ( in my mind at least)

I have fairly regular thoughts about suicide, usually similar themes or methods. I’ve never acted on the thoughts, but they hang around or pop back up, especially when in not satisfied at work or home or whatever. 

Is it something worth mentioning to the GP next visit? I usually brush it off as minor stuff, so not worth mentioning. I don’t think I’m any danger to myself. 
Do other people have similar thoughts, without connecting it to a mental condition?

PM if you’d like. :)

My experience is obviously very different as for me it’s linked to MH, 

but prior years I would have placed my thoughts about suicide into the same way you have described, often thought about generally but not a realistic threat, in saying that, I feel if you raised it with the doctor they will likely want to do a MH assessment on you and put a MH care plan in place, my suggestion for what you have described, I would call Beyond blue or life line and have a chat with them or even the uniting church have a service.  
 

but please if you feel mentioning it to a doctor is worthy, please do.  Don’t brush of suicidal thoughts, thinking about suicide etc as minor, it can escalate out of nowhere for absolutely no reason at all.

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On ‎31‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 7:26 PM, FatPom said:

Rich people who say ‘money doesn’t buy happiness’ never seem to try living without it.

Thats because.......I have never heard a rich person say......"money doesn't buy happiness". It's normally an outsider making a casual observation about that rich person with a few issues...... business, kids, family etc etc 

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18 hours ago, Tyno said:

In the interests of a safe space type of conversation. 
I’m interested in other perspectives on thinking about suicide, as distinct from suicidal thoughts ( in my mind at least)

I have fairly regular thoughts about suicide, usually similar themes or methods. I’ve never acted on the thoughts, but they hang around or pop back up, especially when in not satisfied at work or home or whatever. 

Is it something worth mentioning to the GP next visit? I usually brush it off as minor stuff, so not worth mentioning. I don’t think I’m any danger to myself. 
Do other people have similar thoughts, without connecting it to a mental condition?

PM if you’d like. :)

The fact that they pop up every now and again, even though you don't want to act on them seems a little concerning to me. The fact that you're concerned/curious enough to bring it up makes me think that it is worth a phone call to beyond blue, or similar, just for a chat.  I think this would be more worthwhile than mentioning it to the gp. Just my thoughts. I have no idea really....

Take care

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On 17/12/2019 at 2:16 PM, Tyno said:

In the interests of a safe space type of conversation. 
I’m interested in other perspectives on thinking about suicide, as distinct from suicidal thoughts ( in my mind at least)

I have fairly regular thoughts about suicide, usually similar themes or methods. I’ve never acted on the thoughts, but they hang around or pop back up, especially when in not satisfied at work or home or whatever. 

Is it something worth mentioning to the GP next visit? I usually brush it off as minor stuff, so not worth mentioning. I don’t think I’m any danger to myself. 
Do other people have similar thoughts, without connecting it to a mental condition?

PM if you’d like. :)

I have no clue either but the words that struck me were:

  • fairly regular-  so not an occasional or passing thought, this is backed up by the 'hang around or pop back up' comment
  • similar themes or methods-  some form of detail of the how or where or 'premeditation'

I have no idea of what a gp would do but if one of my mates told me this I would be recommending the above with BeyondBlue etc as a minimum....

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Tyno 

 

I agree with some of the comments above. 

 

Glad you are ok and asking about suicide. As it's still very much a taboo subject which is avoided by all parts of the community, unless you have stared it in the face. 

 

My experience is that the idealisation of it is a slippery slope to attempts. 

 

Thinking of mortality and life etc is natural. Don't feel bad about deep thinking. Deep thinkers are rare nowadays. 

 

Most importantly, go to the gp, get the referral to a psychologist and ask questions about it from a professional. And if you don't gel with the psychologist then find another one that suits you. My best experience was with a weird Zimbabwean dude 🤷‍♂️✌️

 

And finally, ALWAYS COME HERE TO VENT OR DISCUSS THINGS. 

You're loved. ✌️😎

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9 hours ago, Jim Shortz said:

Tyno 

 

I agree with some of the comments above. 

 

Glad you are ok and asking about suicide. As it's still very much a taboo subject which is avoided by all parts of the community, unless you have stared it in the face. 

 

My experience is that the idealisation of it is a slippery slope to attempts. 

 

Thinking of mortality and life etc is natural. Don't feel bad about deep thinking. Deep thinkers are rare nowadays. 

 

Most importantly, go to the gp, get the referral to a psychologist and ask questions about it from a professional. And if you don't gel with the psychologist then find another one that suits you. My best experience was with a weird Zimbabwean dude 🤷‍♂️✌️

 

And finally, ALWAYS COME HERE TO VENT OR DISCUSS THINGS. 

You're loved. ✌️😎

Agree with all youre sayin here. Gold star post 🌟

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Glad Christmas is once again over with! 3rd one since loosing my wife to cancer and is still a very difficult time.

When we couldn't have children we said at least we have each other... This time of years brings the harsh reality of what is missing. I do make sure I'm there for her parents, as she was an only child so realistically even tougher for them! 

Thankfully well past thoughts of suicide now, just the lack motivation or interest in anything is the new norm. Having said that other than wanting to make 50 which is only months away (my dad died of a heart attack just before his), I'm not too fussed if anything did happen.

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Hey mate. Yeah sad time of year for many. 
I have no words that will make it any easier. Hopefully soon you will find a spark that ignites a passion in you and a good reason to keep on. 
In the mean time best wishes mate. 

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Thanks Roxii. If it wasn't for promising Paulette that I would look after her parents and that my brother had lost his best friend to suicide only a few years earlier which crushed him I wouldn't be here now...

Been doing stuff to fill my time such as getting back into skiing / boarding the last couple of years and have collected a number of cars, but is all just a distraction rather than igniting any passion. Positive with the cars is they have actually been my 'mens shed'. I'm very introverted and have since almost become a recluse, so by going to car gatherings it's been getting me off the couch and interacting with others.

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3 hours ago, Dalai said:

Glad Christmas is once again over with! 3rd one since loosing my wife to cancer and is still a very difficult time.

When we couldn't have children we said at least we have each other... This time of years brings the harsh reality of what is missing. I do make sure I'm there for her parents, as she was an only child so realistically even tougher for them! 

Thankfully well past thoughts of suicide now, just the lack motivation or interest in anything is the new norm. Having said that other than wanting to make 50 which is only months away (my dad died of a heart attack just before his), I'm not too fussed if anything did happen.

Hey Martin, the offer is always open to come up to Sydney and spend a few days at our place. My young bloke is right into climbing and I seem to recall you used to climb. More than happy to host you and get you back on the walls. If there's anything we can do, just holler.

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Appreciated Trinube. Climbing was and still is a passion but I had to officially retire all those years ago as my elbows are shot and is why I got into Triathlons. Been trying to still get outside over these last few years and do once in a while but it's a fine line managing the pain. Can't train anymore but somehow manage to get myself up some climbs thanks to Ibuprofen and Elastoplast...

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Dalai, 

Not around much these days, watching people play scrabble has me here now! 
 

I don’t do much either any more, but am a good listener or even good to just sit with. Yell out if you want - no pressure. 
 

Shaun

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On 19/12/2019 at 10:15 AM, pieman said:
On 17/12/2019 at 3:16 PM, Tyno said:

In the interests of a safe space type of conversation. 
I’m interested in other perspectives on thinking about suicide, as distinct from suicidal thoughts ( in my mind at least)

I have fairly regular thoughts about suicide, usually similar themes or methods. I’ve never acted on the thoughts, but they hang around or pop back up, especially when in not satisfied at work or home or whatever. 

Is it something worth mentioning to the GP next visit? I usually brush it off as minor stuff, so not worth mentioning. I don’t think I’m any danger to myself. 
Do other people have similar thoughts, without connecting it to a mental condition?

PM if you’d like. :)

I had very similar thoughts for a long time (ie: thoughts about suicide but not acting) and I just thought it was "normal"

Then one day after a really stressy day I found myself veering the car towards the edge of a bridge... 

Only after this did I go to the GP and was put on a mental health plan and referred to a psychologist. So I think the below advice is gold. I didn't gel with my first psychologist, but they were good enough to acknowledge that and referred me to someone else.

On 22/12/2019 at 6:45 AM, Surfer said:

Most importantly, go to the gp, get the referral to a psychologist and ask questions about it from a professional. And if you don't gel with the psychologist then find another one that suits you. My best experience was with a weird Zimbabwean dude

I can't say the thoughts have gone away, however they are less often and I have coping strategies when they do occur.                          Take Care

 

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