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Interesting timing by ASADA

 

Anyone would think they want to hurry this along before the Essendon case is decided...

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Mate I'm not sure that's right. If they took it without knowing what it was they are not victims, they are footballers or simply special . If they didn't take it and the club then penalises them, then they are victims.

Fixed it for you.....lol

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Apparently they have all gone for the ban that's not a ban.

A totally laughable end to the NRL portion of a farcical grandstanding exhibition.

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Typical of our system, the fear of legal costs, a long and drawn out process with multiple adjournments and continuances etc dictates the outcome. Only winners would be the legal profession. From what people who aren't Rebecca Wilson are writing, the players would be on a good wicket if they challenged the show cause notices but like everyone else, have had enough of ASADA, the leaks to the press and mismanaged "investigation".

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Smart decision.

 

Even if not guilty it all now goes away.

 

Mind you surprised the team doesn't lose all their point given they cheater.

 

Aka the odds and storm of past years.

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Smart decision.

 

Even if not guilty it all now goes away.

 

Mind you surprised the team doesn't lose all their point given they cheater.

 

Aka the odds and storm of past years.

 

They're vying for the wooden spoon anyway aren't they.

 

But that decision totally sucks. If any NRL player ever gets done for drug use in the future, they should just argue for a 3 week ban. How can you backdate the ban when they were still playing?

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Seems like very liberal interpretation by the NRL of WADA code sections 10.4, 10.5 (which deal with sanction reductions) and 10.9.1 (which deals with date sanction applies from) to me .

 

10.9.1 they could probably win in an argument, but I wonder if WADA will appeal however they've wormed 10.4 or 10.5. I just don't see any of those sections applying.

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The backdating from November seems to be because that is when ASADA concluded their investigation. For there to be no action by ASADA for 10 months seems outrageous considering the impact it has had on the livelihoods of players, staff and the club itself.

 

My summary:

Cronulla trainer is approached/approaches Dank.

 

Dank eases in then starts players on "supplements/peptides"

 

Players may or may not have checked that everything they took was legal. My gut feeling is that there must be some evidence (?email) showing that the players and /or staff were advised that everything they were using was legal. Apparently there was talk Dank falsified an ASADA letterhead to this effect early on in the piece.

 

Taking this to a stupid level, if assurances from a "Sports Scientist" and Head Trainer that he has checked legality of a supps program with ASADA are not good enough then every professional footballer would have to personally call ASADA before ingesting anything on every occasion, and have each batch of sports drink/powder/gel etc independently tested after cracking the seal. In the real world, players get told what to do: sit in ice bath, wear skins, inflatable leg boots, take this powder. Asking what it is, is it legal would be a reasonable expectation of a professional athlete. For the Sharks to get off with discounts and backdating suggests ASADA can see the players were mislead and as long as they finger Dank they will get what they got.

 

the other scenario is that ASADA realise that under the blowtorch of a Supreme Court their case would turn to water so give the players a sweet deal. The Sharks players reputations are already sullied, another year or more of drawn out proceedings only stuffs the lawyers pockets.

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Smart decision.

 

Even if not guilty it all now goes away.

 

Mind you surprised the team doesn't lose all their point given they cheater.

 

Aka the odds and storm of past years.

If they had gone down that path, would that also invalidate wins in the SoO series, and the Anzac Test which Gallen played in?

 

The NRL wouldn't want to open that Pandora's box.

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The backdating from November seems to be because that is when ASADA concluded their investigation. For there to be no action by ASADA for 10 months seems outrageous considering the impact it has had on the livelihoods of players, staff and the club itself.

 

My summary:

Cronulla trainer is approached/approaches Dank.

 

Dank eases in then starts players on "supplements/peptides"

 

Players may or may not have checked that everything they took was legal. My gut feeling is that there must be some evidence (?email) showing that the players and /or staff were advised that everything they were using was legal. Apparently there was talk Dank falsified an ASADA letterhead to this effect early on in the piece.

 

Taking this to a stupid level, if assurances from a "Sports Scientist" and Head Trainer that he has checked legality of a supps program with ASADA are not good enough then every professional footballer would have to personally call ASADA before ingesting anything on every occasion, and have each batch of sports drink/powder/gel etc independently tested after cracking the seal. In the real world, players get told what to do: sit in ice bath, wear skins, inflatable leg boots, take this powder. Asking what it is, is it legal would be a reasonable expectation of a professional athlete. For the Sharks to get off with discounts and backdating suggests ASADA can see the players were mislead and as long as they finger Dank they will get what they got.

 

the other scenario is that ASADA realise that under the blowtorch of a Supreme Court their case would turn to water so give the players a sweet deal. The Sharks players reputations are already sullied, another year or more of drawn out proceedings only stuffs the lawyers pockets.

 

Or a player can make the reasonable assumption that injecting substances (known or unknown) is dodgy as all **** and do their due diligence as a professional athlete. They've all received plenty of anti doping training. One phone call to the ASADA help line would take all of 5 minutes.

 

But I will definitely concede that young men in a group scenario can be led/pressured to do things they perhaps wouldn't do of their own accord, and as such those in charge of that process (e.g. coaches, trainers, captain, administrators, suppliers and others charged with responsibility for the welfare of these guys) need to face the most severe sanction.

 

 

BTW - ASADA don't hand out the sanction. The NRL do.

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How the hell can they back date a 1 year ban? More proof that this is a freaking joke.

Yep, would sort of make sense if the players had been suspended during that time pending the outcome.

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How the hell can they back date a 1 year ban? More proof that this is a freaking joke.

 

WADA code 10.9.1. Applied very liberally.

 

The bigger problem is the reduced length of sanctions. I can't see how that's been done while adhering to the code.

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Problem is the sharks have nothing to take away, no premiership, points nothing. Storm pay a bit too much lose a lot, dogs lost loads of points. Sharks systematic doping get wet lettuce.

 

But as we suspected for years gallen is a filthy cheat, probably been on it for years, after being told at parra that he was too small. Hope they and gallen especially are vilified for this for the rest of their carreers. As a minimum no rep football again

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Problem is the sharks have nothing to take away, no premiership, points nothing. Storm pay a bit too much lose a lot, dogs lost loads of points. Sharks systematic doping get wet lettuce.

 

But as we suspected for years gallen is a filthy cheat, probably been on it for years, after being told at parra that he was too small. Hope they and gallen especially are vilified for this for the rest of their carreers. As a minimum no rep football again

 

A suspension for 2 years from today would have been about right.

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Guess who's only one point off the lead in the Local Liquor NRL Footy Tipping Comp and who has tipped Cronulla in this Round... Arrhhhh!

 

The prize is Return Flights, a weeks accommodation, VIP Sports or Entertainment Tickets & $1500 spending money for 2 to either New York, LA, Paris, Rio, Amsterdam or London. So what I want to know is who do I sue if I end up losing the comp by a point! :shocking:.

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See Bennett slammed Flanno. Lot of time for Bennett. Reckon Jack Gibson would be turning in his grave over this.

 

Wonder what they do with a flanno now, they extended his contract after this ? Guess they could argue they were not convicted when they did it. Be fascinated to see what further comes now the players have rolled over to get reduced sentences.

 

You can''t have a guy that either ran a doping programme or who had no idea what was going on at the club he was running, back in charge in a few weeks...... No matter how good a bloke he is

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Meanwhile in other news manly have locked and welded shut their dank files of 5 years and a celebrating with a glass of red.........red calf blood that is..

Yep, were not dumb enough to write it all down and hand to ASADA.

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A lot of our Olympians are jumping up and down about the double standards in sentencing. They can't understand how anybody can say these guys weren't responsible. One beauty was along the lines of "3 weeks for banned substances, 2 years for not telling them where you are"

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Im a massive sharks fan and agree they should have 2 years but what gets me is the so called investigating journalist dont dig deeper into manly and the other 7 clubs .nothing is being said or reported on it

you dont have to be Einstein to work it out so the cronulla club cops massive hits in sponsor ships etc etc.

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If they can keep it to one club, then it doesn't show up as being a culture within the whole sport, just one "off the rails" club. It probably helps that bad boy Carney is from Cronulla as well, as it shows just how bad this club is. If some of the "cover boy" clubs like Manly are shown to be dirty, then what hope has the sport got as a whole.

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Guess who's only one point off the lead in the Local Liquor NRL Footy Tipping Comp and who has tipped Cronulla in this Round... Arrhhhh!

 

The prize is Return Flights, a weeks accommodation, VIP Sports or Entertainment Tickets & $1500 spending money for 2 to either New York, LA, Paris, Rio, Amsterdam or London. So what I want to know is who do I sue if I end up losing the comp by a point! :shocking:.

 

Send the bill to Jason Clare and Kate Lundy

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If they can keep it to one club, then it doesn't show up as being a culture within the whole sport, just one "off the rails" club. It probably helps that bad boy Carney is from Cronulla as well, as it shows just how bad this club is. If some of the "cover boy" clubs like Manly are shown to be dirty, then what hope has the sport got as a whole.

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I agree with you on that.Just hope one day an x player talks and then another ...just like US Postal. Surely the punter like myself is not the only one thinking along theses lines and someone out there can start stirring the pot.

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How long can Flanno survive. Players banned but no one organised it or worse, the bloke running the show seargent schultzed it.

 

Maybe that should be flanno's new nickname, "schultzie".

 

 

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/who-duped-cronulla-sharks-players-and-how-did-they-do-it-20140825-10823s.html

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I agree with you on that.Just hope one day an x player talks and then another ...just like US Postal. Surely the punter like myself is not the only one thinking along theses lines and someone out there can start stirring the pot.

 

And the footy players arent smart enough to abide by an omerta.

 

It'll be someone like Carney who brings out a book about it all and make more money than he ever would out of football.......... that would be if footy fans could read. Might have to be a reading book with pictures

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Friend of mine is going out with one of the under 20s guys. She said some are happy with the saga as they are getting a run in the bigger grades.

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Word is a few players are going to sue the sharks for loss of income once WADA ratifies the ban on top of the three ex players already taking action.

 

Wonder if any other clubs will sue the sharks for loss of income now with their players being suspended due to a mystery persons doping program at the club.

 

Hope the property deal clicks in so we can fight/ pay out these, buy the oval back and get a few good young players.

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Oompa I think you need to take up the challenge and investigate Dank and his affiliation with Souths Westtigers Penrith and his employment with Manly for all us Cronulla tragics..haha

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Oompa I think you need to take up the challenge and investigate Dank and his affiliation with Souths Westtigers Penrith and his employment with Manly for all us Cronulla tragics..haha

Seriously don't give a rats about the other clubs.

 

Just wish they never sh!t em selves and got cavanagh in. Don't get me wrong, it was the right thing to do ethically but not good in terms of making it all go away like manly, Souths, wests, pentprith and did I say manly. That story in the herald at the moment about the porn king hanging round the dressing room and his son being made a ball boy yet he had no relation with the club - great stuff.

 

Remember that press conference they did, fark me, then followed it up with Irvine coming back to Australia and saying the players were on horse drugs to the media. Think they wrote the book in "how not to do yourself a favour"..... Lol

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Maybe then should sell out to this bloke, couldn't do any worse than last 50 years and you would think would better than the Rudd/Gillard team we have had in Irviine/Keogh.

 

Cash - he could buy back endeavour field from the local pizza shop they hocked it too.

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I know there is a lot of stuff about the players innocence and for a great part I think it may be true.

 

But these guys are full time professional athletes who do, or should, know their bodies pretty damn well.

 

I mean we are a bunch of hack age groupers working full time and training a bit and most of us would know if something we were taking felt like rocket fuel, or upped our power more than a Turbine in your nose, or made us faster, fitter, bigger, stronger whatever.

 

Surely these "professional Athletes" would have noticed something different if these peptides did work, and at that point you might say "Wow, how good are these new "vitamins" I cant believe everyone isnt using them" ...... and at that point bells should be ringing.

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From your interview with Mick Delamotte:

 

 

 

Do you offer advice on diet, vitamins, supplements and alternative therapies (such as chiro, accu, yoga)

Yep. Referrals to the ones that know it best. Although I do offer firm advice before taking vitamins and supplements. Those that are racing Nationally or Internationally at an Elite level know what the ASADA & WADA code is & how to invest 30 secs in looking up any potential drug they take. They understand their accountabilities in this area and we are particular in our processes here. We even run the younger kids through the processes from time to time at camps so they understand.

 

These are junior amateur triathletes. Why the f*ck should we give excuses to highly paid professional athletes?

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Surely these "professional Athletes" would have noticed something different if these peptides did work, and at that point you might say "Wow, how good are these new "vitamins" I cant believe everyone isnt using them" ...... and at that point bells should be ringing.

 

Having needles frequently stuck in your arm or swallowing pills without knowing what they are should be the biggest bell clanger.

 

If you do know what they are and haven't check them or don't care, then you are the bell ringer.

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As was posted elsewhere, here is the anti-doping agency conundrum:

 

Say there are 1,000 athletes in the testing pool. That's roughly the number of NRL and AFL players. No other sports.

 

Say there are 50 random tests conducted per month, i.e. 5% of the athletes are tested per month. 600 tests per year (that's ~10% of all tests conducted by ASADA for all sports across all categories).

 

Say an athletes dopes 3 times per month, every month, and has a "glow time" of 2 days.

 

This is the probability they will be caught within a given time frame assuming they just do so randomly, and don't time their doping to avoid likely testing windows.

 

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IOW it requires nearly six years to have a better than 50% chance of being caught. ~9.5 years to have a better than 2/3rds chance of being caught.

 

Now imagine if you were a little smarter about when you doped, and knew when the likely testing windows were since testers don't have many resources to travel and so tend to test at events, or at other typical times.

 

See the problem?

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Did I read in some where Dank forged an ASADA letter head? But still players should know no excuses .I also think they need to look further into his dealings with the other clubs just because they dodged the first round doesn't cut it surly there is evidence and people willing to talk .

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