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On 27/07/2018 at 4:48 PM, Ex-Hasbeen said:

That's one of the things people don't realise when they think Vodaphone is hamstrung here because they are playing against "the big boys" Telstra & Optus

They are big boys in Australia but hardly big. Consider there are around 230 million Vodafone subscribers and about the same for Airtel here in India. With that economy of scale ( around 10 times the population of Australia each ), no wonder I can get it so cheap. It's  never going to happen in Australia.

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1 hour ago, softy said:

They are big boys in Australia but hardly big. Consider there are around 230 million Vodafone subscribers and about the same for Airtel here in India. With that economy of scale ( around 10 times the population of Australia each ), no wonder I can get it so cheap. It's  never going to happen in Australia.

Closer to double that.

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On 27/07/2018 at 8:17 AM, roxii said:

Yeah I get that, but with a mobile phone plan, what are the bells and whistles?? 

As another example Belong Mobile only uses Telstra's 4G network not its faster and better 4GX.

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On 30/07/2018 at 10:30 PM, ashley_s said:

As another example Belong Mobile only uses Telstra's 4G network not its faster and better 4GX.

I am very interested in swapping my wife (from telstra off contract) and 2 teenage daughters (Aldi and Boost) to Belong for the data banking/sharing reason along with the cost saving. Can any of the telco boffins on here explain this 4G v 4GX thing. In practical terms how will this effect the coverage for talk, text and data. Any significant difference in regional areas? In practice the teenage daughter ignoring their father's call is more of an issue than substandard coverage on the Telstra network resellers it seems to me

Roxii, still no discernible difference in coverage that you can see??

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Although there is perhaps a small grain of truth involved with aggregating difference on the 'authentic' Telstra network, essentially 4GX is a term dreamed up by Telstra's marketing dept to create exactly the sort of FUD you see between Telstra and their resellers. They've pulled this shit before with NextG and a few other non-standard terms. Optus have tried it too, but usually theirs are just stupid names that immediately get called out for what they are.

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1 hour ago, Parkside said:

substandard coverage on the Telstra network

On the Far South Coast of NSW I was on Vodafone, and could get reception in Bodalla if I stood on one leg by the by the lemon tree. In Broulee, Vodafone gets no reception so I've gone to Telstra. Even then, inside the house, you're lucky to get 1 bar. You often see people outside on their phones.

Coverage in Australia is pathetic. I can't be a passenger in a car and make a call on the drive from Broulee to Batemans Bay because of the continuous drop outs.

What chance do regional users have, when you can't even get a decent signal 20 minutes from the capital of Australia. 

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They are listening to me, I'm putting on my tinfoil hat now. Got an email minutes after posting above from aldi mobile telling us they now allow data banking up to 30gB as long as you are on autorecharge

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1 hour ago, Parkside said:

I am very interested in swapping my wife (from telstra off contract) and 2 teenage daughters (Aldi and Boost) to Belong for the data banking/sharing reason along with the cost saving. Can any of the telco boffins on here explain this 4G v 4GX thing. In practical terms how will this effect the coverage for talk, text and data. Any significant difference in regional areas? In practice the teenage daughter ignoring their father's call is more of an issue than substandard coverage on the Telstra network resellers it seems to me

Roxii, still no discernible difference in coverage that you can see??

No mate, none at all. Part of the reason was also that she was on Vodafone and couldn't get good coverage at the van, but Telstra was fine, I've checked while we are there and she is getting the same number of bars as me when there. 

Probably still only get 2g in your office though :lol: 

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16 minutes ago, Parkside said:

telling us they now allow data banking up to 30gB as long as you are on autorecharge

My Optus account offers data rollover, provided I use auto-recharge.

I hardly use any data and so had racked up a heap of it. Recently, Optus advised me that they had a 'technical issue' and were unable to process my auto-recharge, which meant they cancelled it and wiped my rollover data. I got an 'oops, sorry...' from them, but no offer to reinstate the data. As I said, I don't use it anyway, so I couldn't be bother arguing, but if I did use it, I'd be p'd off with them and suspicious of that 'issue'.

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After following this thread and waiting patiently for my Telstra contract to expire, in the next couple of days I will be changing over to Belong. Any last minute reasons why I shouldn't? 

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Their mobile app sux the big one!  Otherwise it's been fine since we switched.  Just use the browser on my phone to log in of I need to check anything.

I read a comment on the Whirlpool forums a couple of weeks ago from someone who is on belong And has 100gig of data baked.  They're dropping their plan back to the $10/month plan now till they use up that data.  So that's an interesting feature.

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Yeah my Mrs has or had over 100 banked. 

She delivers some online lectures for a uni in Qld. Recently the kids managed to use all our wifi fir the month and we were being shaped when she needed to deliver a lecture so she was able to tether the laptop off the phone and get it sorted. 

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13 minutes ago, roxii said:

Yeah my Mrs has or had over 100 banked. 

She delivers some online lectures for a uni in Qld.

Surely it's best if you guys relocated... 😁

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😂😂😂 don’t worry I have mentioned it quite a few times. 

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As a heads-up, Optus is continuing a significant investment into rural Australia - a Billion dollars is committed to improving and expanding the network. To demonstrate the $ needing to be invested, over 3.6 Billion has been invested in coverage since 2015.

Also worth remembering when talking about "the big boys" the actual difference between Telstra and Optus. Telstra have about 40% of the mobile market, Optus about 24% (then Vodafone around 14%). Outside of these three, the other providers are Virtual Network Operators that run over the Optus/Telstra/Vodafone networks.

As we're talking about mobiles - 5G is going to be pretty special! 4.5G is about 1Gbps when stressing the gauges. 5G can hit 16Gbps. To give a comparison for those with 4K televisions: 5G can stream 8K content over the mobile network. Range is shorter, and there's plenty of work to do on the devices themselves, but 2019 should see some roll-out.

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7 minutes ago, TenPints said:

As we're talking about mobiles - 5G is going to be pretty special! 4.5G is about 1Gbps when stressing the gauges. 5G can hit 16Gbps. To give a comparison for those with 4K televisions: 5G can stream 8K content over the mobile network. Range is shorter, and there's plenty of work to do on the devices themselves, but 2019 should see some roll-out.

Perhaps in the lab, but real-life... Telstra's Gold-Coast trials have so-far managed to achieve 3Gbps in optimal conditions.

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27 minutes ago, TenPints said:

5G is going to be pretty special!

But if you live out of the cities, and can only get 1 bar of 3 or 4G, what good is 5G.

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1 hour ago, XCOM! said:

Perhaps in the lab, but real-life... Telstra's Gold-Coast trials have so-far managed to achieve 3Gbps in optimal conditions.

That was Telstra, you should have gone to the Optus demo at the Comms games. The 8K streaming over the 5G network was demo'd as people drove around in a van. Plus a whole load of other applications, with it utilising the full 5G capability (live displays of the speed being achieved) - there was even a tower constructed with the 5G units installed\, so definitely not lab-based connectivity.

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1 hour ago, softy said:

But if you live out of the cities, and can only get 1 bar of 3 or 4G, what good is 5G.

Yep, very true. It's a new technology, so perhaps I should have said "pretty special (for us city dwellers)" 😉

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Australia is so good at doing this whole network/internet thing!  I reckon it'll be awesome (hope I don't bite my tongue it's so glued to my cheek)......

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2 hours ago, TenPints said:

That was Telstra, you should have gone to the Optus demo at the Comms games. The 8K streaming over the 5G network was demo'd as people drove around in a van. Plus a whole load of other applications, with it utilising the full 5G capability (live displays of the speed being achieved) - there was even a tower constructed with the 5G units installed\, so definitely not lab-based connectivity.

Optus claimed it was getting 2Gbps "real-world" speed at its Gold Coast trials.

However, that's still more than enough for applications such as 8K streaming.

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4 hours ago, XCOM! said:

Optus claimed it was getting 2Gbps "real-world" speed at its Gold Coast trials.

However, that's still more than enough for applications such as 8K streaming.

2Gbps at the Mac Park trials. 16Gbps at the games. Did you visit the tent?

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7 hours ago, TenPints said:

That was Telstra, you should have gone to the Optus demo at the Comms games. The 8K streaming over the 5G network was demo'd as people drove around in a van. Plus a whole load of other applications, with it utilising the full 5G capability (live displays of the speed being achieved) - there was even a tower constructed with the 5G units installed\, so definitely not lab-based connectivity.

Do you have many 5G ready devices over there?  Also, how is the RAN supply?  5G RAN here not GA until late Oct.

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1 hour ago, TenPints said:

2Gbps at the Mac Park trials. 16Gbps at the games. Did you visit the tent?

I thought that the 16Gbps quoted was their station to single user 'peak' data-rate - in fact, I believe that the 2020 standard specifies 20Gbps/10Gbps for that. With multiple users it drops to 2Gbps - which I believe is above the standard's 'achievable' data rate. Edit: I meant to say multiple users and back-haul - Telstra claim their backhaul can deliver 3Gbps.

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