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But you went >13 hrs for the shortened event, are you sure you dare ;-)?

 

 

I wore the medal to work today. The chicks in the office loved it & I could see down their tops when they bent over to read the engraving on it.

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Good question Sunny, and I wondered the same. Once the decision was made to go to a beach start my first thought was they should have gone to 3 waves as you suggest.

But imagine the thread we'd now be having speculating on who cheated by going in the wrong wave.

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I'm not a good swimmer but actually quite enjoyed the swim as it was, at least I thought, 'swell' rather than 'chop'. The problems came from not knowing where to head, as I couldn't sight anything at all, and some 2000 other people seeming to not know where to head either resulting in a lot of stopping, pushing, dunking and breastroke.

 

A dreadful day for me all round, so I couldn't have kept up with anyone to draft on the bike even if I'd wanted to, and the fact I woke up with full-on-man-flu on Monday morning, and currently can't breath through my nose, explained my general fatigue throughout my very long day.

 

I know I'm setting myself up here but for the second year in a row they didn't have enough small t-shirts! Not everyone that wears a small is fast...

 

P.

 

NAME Race # Time

Little Bear 793 08:47:19

rcs 875 08:56:14

Mrando 455 09:04:26

steve_c 152 09:19:34

Lzbones 9:26:ish

nuked 859 09:43:31

Bozza 1053 09:44:58

Mike 1696 09:53:10

PortRooster 1365 09:57:30

TPP 1824 09:58:10

Tivale 1775 10:13:30

POT 1705 10:22:14

ltrevask 498 10:23:51

Joostoz 914 10:25:44

MrG 1161 10:52:00

longshot 1926 11:03:25

Tinman2 591 11:07:18

Ratdog 706 11:16:23

Pete 2007 11:16:30

DaveT 2000 11:17:25

Far West 2054 11:38:38

Supamau 390 11:42:46

Symo 1993 11:50:58

Toolish 314 12:14:40

NigelW 1778 12:20:57

bored@work 821 13:09:27

Catcam 2021 13:10:10

Must Tri Harder 13:12:00

Swanny 1991 13:19:26

MrsG 1488 13:28:38

Stacey 1477 13:47:08

Cape_Horn 395 14:23:41

MxWalker 2098 14:40:10

Froudie 332 14:48:13

Stikman 611 DNF

Steno 488 DNF

Hymie 1087 DNS

Nick777 DNF

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Good question Sunny, and I wondered the same. Once the decision was made to go to a beach start my first thought was they should have gone to 3 waves as you suggest.

But imagine the thread we'd now be having speculating on who cheated by going in the wrong wave.

 

 

Back when I did Forster, we nominated a swim time and were given a matching swim cap to that time. I notice they don't do that anymore. It would have made it easier to go to wave starts. It would also lessen the instances of faster swimmers having to swim over slower ones.

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NAME Race # Time

vince 384 08:35:54

Little Bear 793 08:47:19

rcs 875 08:56:14

Mrando 455 09:04:26

steve_c 152 09:19:34

Lzbones 9:26:ish

nuked 859 09:43:31

Bozza 1053 09:44:58

Mike 1696 09:53:10

PortRooster 1365 09:57:30

TPP 1824 09:58:10

Tivale 1775 10:13:30

POT 1705 10:22:14

ltrevask 498 10:23:51

Joostoz 914 10:25:44

MrG 1161 10:52:00

longshot 1926 11:03:25

Tinman2 591 11:07:18

Ratdog 706 11:16:23

Pete 2007 11:16:30

Far West 2054 11:38:38

Supamau 390 11:42:46

Symo 1993 11:50:58

Toolish 314 12:14:40

NigelW 1778 12:20:57

bored@work 821 13:09:27

Swanny 1991 13:19:26

MrsG 1488 13:28:38

Stacey 1477 13:47:08

Cape_Horn 395 14:23:41

MxWalker 2098 14:40:10

Froudie 332 14:48:13

Stikman 611 DNF

Steno 488 DNF

Hymie 1087 DNS

Nick777 DNF

Gary 1991 - 13:19:25

 

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vince 384 08:35:54

Little Bear 793 08:47:19

 

(added my result)

 

The King is dead.

Long live the King!

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Great suggestion Sunny. They could have had a heap of waves if they wanted to and really spread the field out over a 2 or 3 lap course. If athletes were marshalled to a point on the beach where they crossed a timing mat just before entering the water they would be able to check people started in the correct wave. It would also mean they had an accurate and timely record of who entered the water.

 

Sure the pros would possibly have to swim through slower lapped swimmers, but it would be the same for everyone. And if anyone loses track of their laps then so be it - it beats drowning. Perhaps a spotter at the swim exit could turn them back if it was obvious. A quick check of the results and they'd be DNF'd (but you could still get a time recorded for the rest of the course anyway).

 

It would also solve the drafting pack problems in the first part of the bike.

 

Not being critical, just offering constructive feedback. My prediction for next year...

 

The above will be adopted. Next years event will have over 3,000 competitors. Next years race will have Teams! Not sure how I feel about it, but I reckon that's what will happen.

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NAME Race # Time

vince 384 08:35:54

Little Bear 793 08:47:19

rcs 875 08:56:14

Mrando 455 09:04:26

steve_c 152 09:19:34

Lzbones 9:26:ish

nuked 859 09:43:31

Bozza 1053 09:44:58

PortRooster 1365 09:57:30

TPP 1824 09:58:10

Tivale 1775 10:13:30

POT 1705 10:22:14

ltrevask 498 10:23:51

Joostoz 914 10:25:44

MrG 1161 10:52:00

longshot 1926 11:03:25

Tinman2 591 11:07:18

Ratdog 706 11:16:23

Pete 2007 11:16:30

Far West 2054 11:38:38

Supamau 390 11:42:46

Symo 1993 11:50:58

Toolish 314 12:14:40

NigelW 1778 12:20:57

Mike 1686 12:50:19

bored@work 821 13:09:27

Swanny 1991 13:19:26

MrsG 1488 13:28:38

Stacey 1477 13:47:08

Cape_Horn 395 14:23:41

MxWalker 2098 14:40:10

Froudie 332 14:48:13

Stikman 611 DNF

Steno 488 DNF

Hymie 1087 DNS

Nick777 DNF

Gary 1991 - 13:19:25

 

(corrected my race number and the time).

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11:16 and a couple minutes behind Tinman. If I had know he was just up ahead I would have spent less time talking to the ladies along the route.

 

Now I have to live with his bragging until the next race we meet again

 

well done mate.

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11:16 and a couple minutes behind Tinman. If I had know he was just up ahead I would have spent less time talking to the ladies along the route.

 

Now I have to live with his bragging until the next race we meet again

 

well done mate.

 

 

 

I know your kryptonite ratdog. My cunning plan of lining the route with some of Melbournes finest allowed me to overtake you in the final kms. I didnt want to add to your shame by showing up at the Beer Mile and demolishing you again, although by all accounts your performance there was lacking as well. Next time I'll make sure to only overtake you in the finishing chute.

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Vince's first IM too...

And first mara..

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I wore the medal to work today. The chicks in the office loved it & I could see down their tops when they bent over to read the engraving on it.

 

 

Post of the year.

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That water was so bad I was debating pissing in a cup and drinking my own urine....

 

I understand there was some kind of mixup and all the trucks had water in their fuel tanks..

Thank God some of the aid stations became aware of the problem and made an impromptu tap water cup alternative :)

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NAME Race # Time

Vince 384 8:35:54

Little Bear 793 08:47:19

rcs 875 08:56:14

Mrando 455 09:04:26

steve_c 152 09:19:34

Lzbones 9:26:ish

nuked 859 09:43:31

Bozza 1053 09:44:58

Mike 1696 09:53:10

PortRooster 1365 09:57:30

TPP 1824 09:58:10

Tivale 1775 10:13:30

POT 1705 10:22:14

ltrevask 498 10:23:51

Joostoz 914 10:25:44

MrG 1161 10:52:00

longshot 1926 11:03:25

Tinman2 591 11:07:18

Ratdog 706 11:16:23

Pete 2007 11:16:30

DaveT 2000 11:17:25

Far West 2054 11:38:38

Supamau 390 11:42:46

Symo 1993 11:50:58

Toolish 314 12:14:40

NigelW 1778 12:20:57

Mike 1686 12:50:19

bored@work 821 13:09:27

Catcam 2021 13:10:10

Must Tri Harder 13:12:00

Swanny 1991 13:19:26

MrsG 1488 13:28:38

Stacey 1477 13:47:08

Cape_Horn 395 14:23:41

MxWalker 2098 14:40:10

Froudie 332 14:48:13

Stikman 611 DNF

Steno 488 DNF

Hymie 1087 DNS

Nick777 DNF

 

Rattie, you would have caught Tinman if you hadn't kept walking/waiting for me over the last couple of k's.

And as for Pete, well that's hardly chivalrous passing a fellow Trannie in the Finishing Shute.

Pretty competitive around the 11:15 mark. :lol::lol::lol:

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Rattie, you would have caught Tinman if you hadn't kept walking/waiting for me over the last couple of k's.

And as for Pete, well that's hardly chivalrous passing a fellow Trannie in the Finishing Shute.

Pretty competitive around the 11:15 mark. :lol::lol::lol:

 

Obviously you don't know Pete very well. He would hook his own mother, if it meant winning the Beach Rd. BP sprint. :-)

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OK- I've read many comments about this swim and have selected a few to quote...................at any time at all were wave starts considered- and if not- WHY ??????

 

Yes- it is an Ironman and traditionally all IM races have a mass start.....but they also have a swim that is 3.8ks in distance.

 

Even 3 separate waves (all females/ males under 35/ remaining male AG) would have made the swim start safer and reduce the amount of drafting on the bike course.

 

Yeah yeah yeah- I know its an IM and we should all just HTFU, suck it up and swim the 3.8k in any conditions.................

 

 

I don't want to be too critical, because the organizers were obviously trying to get the race going as best they could, but the way the start was set up, it was like the people making the decisions had absolutely no knowlege of open water swimming whatsoever.

 

To my way of thinking, wave starts a no brainer - whether the fields are 1000, 1500, 2000 etc.. There are multiple ways it could be done - by swim time (nominated/past history), by age, by overall goal time etc etc.. You'd think this might help with drafting too.

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Whyte line fever - I even ignored my missus on the finish chute as the glorious melodies of "chariots of fire" resounded in my mind.. (one of my mates who finished an hour ahead of me said g'day to her on his finish, so you can imagine the poo I was in! :lol: )

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I haven't had a chance to read all the posts ... wow what a huge thread. Just like to give a few thoughts though. Swim : I love ocean swimming - the rougher the better for me as love the swells etc BUT I was really nervous going in due to the other athletes and their abilities. I am a mid pack swimmer only - love to find the best feet I can and sit there happily... so knew Id be in the thick of it. Due to not hearing the instructions, not visualising the course prior there was a lot of confusion. I got around the 2 white buoys and then it was just mayhem ... everyone going in different directions. A lot of people also got swept along so didn't exit at the right place and had maybe 500+ run up the beach. I agree with Sunny girl in waves, would have been better. I also think the turns should have been more spread out and direction given so people didn't get so confused. Bike: I was in the first 500 so had TO's the whole way and they were watching like hawks ... I hate drafting with a passion so happy to see. The issue here was too many going at once, it was hard to not at some point be with others. Blocking I think was the worst but understandable as like lining up in Q at Disneyland! After 45km spread out so not enjoying the haters comments about drafting, the ones who blatantly drafting got busted - end of story. Oh and just have to say ... my first go with race wheels - OMG they rock! Run: I enjoyed the point to point , hated that water UGH couldn't drink it at all. Sorry to any supporters if I didn't stop and say hi or make a huge fuss back. I focus when running and just get in my own head space ... but it is appreciated (Mank). Also thanks to all online supporters ....makes a girl feel special !!!!

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Whyte line fever - I even ignored my missus on the finish chute as the glorious melodies of "chariots of fire" resounded in my mind.. (one of my mates who finished an hour ahead of me said g'day to her on his finish, so you can imagine the poo I was in! :lol: )

 

i'd still be sleeping on the couch if that was the case.

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Confusion reins supreme in the high seas.

 

Here is my swim track. I followed whom ever was at the crest of a wave in front of me.

 

http://connect.garmi...ivity/289066483

 

The run up the beach after exiting the water was 270 odd metres.

 

 

Do not know what everyone is whinging about with the swim - according to Ratty's Garmin it was all down hill (by 52 feet) :lol:

 

Also, according to Ratty's Garmin (HR) - He was slowly dying before being defib'd

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Thank god it wasnt just me that thought that water was shite - that didnt help the stomach issue thats for sure!! And FFS why cant they get coke and not some cheap cola - oh sorry answered my own question there!

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Thank god it wasnt just me that thought that water was shite - that didnt help the stomach issue thats for sure!! And FFS why cant they get coke and not some cheap cola - oh sorry answered my own question there!

 

I was helping at an aid station...many people complained about the water. We actually started melting ice in cups as many were refusing the sachets.

I also wondered if anyone would notice that it wasn't real coke and if it mattered.

Well done everyone on the day..by all accounts it was a hard one.

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Anyone know what some the DQ's were for?

 

 

Believe one was under the 3 strike ruling, most of the others would have been related to not reporting to penalty box after receiving a penalty (or a few in a couple of cases)

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I also wondered if anyone would notice that it wasn't real coke and if it mattered.

 

yes I noticed it was some homebrand cola. Didnt make any difference, it was still better than the water and I'd had enough of warm Gatorade

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I was helping at an aid station...many people complained about the water. We actually started melting ice in cups as many were refusing the sachets.

I also wondered if anyone would notice that it wasn't real coke and if it mattered.

Well done everyone on the day..by all accounts it was a hard one.

 

The aid station i was at we were asking people if they wanted water - they were saying "no it's OK, i've got a satchel"...didn't take much convincing for them to chuck the satchels in favour of Melbourne tap water!

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Looking at the garmin file for the swim I'm trying to workout how you can take a hard right at the pier when your swimming round it from right to left. Would a hard right take you way off course.

 

I was thinking that also when watching the video but figured I had my bearings wrong. Any wonder with those directions people were confused.

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I think my local pool was closed on Monday after they took all the water out on Saturday to fill up those satchets.

 

Didn't really notice the brand of cola but did notice it was never flat so spent the 500 metres after each aid station feeling bloated and burping.

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I don't want to be too critical, because the organizers were obviously trying to get the race going as best they could, but the way the start was set up, it was like the people making the decisions had absolutely no knowlege of open water swimming whatsoever.

 

To my way of thinking, wave starts a no brainer - whether the fields are 1000, 1500, 2000 etc.. There are multiple ways it could be done - by swim time (nominated/past history), by age, by overall goal time etc etc.. You'd think this might help with drafting too.

 

 

Hi Nick,

 

While your suggestions are valid and may have been better in hindsight, but it may not have been easier to suddenly do wave starts as indicated above.

 

Re: the first comment about decision makers with no Open Water Swimming ability, I'm not sure you'd class Greg Welch in that category. The decision makers slash organisers have copped a pretty decent pasting on here for a variety of reasons but given what they put up, what they had at their disposal, the constraints and risks that need considering, it seems a pretty good job. Sure greater contingency COULD have been an option but who knows (not me), the cost may have been prohibitive.

 

My main point of this post to clarify a few comments that have popped up from JimmyC and others along with this one questioning the knowledge or background or competence to deal with the situation at hand. A lot of the suggestions put forward on this post were considered but couldn't happen for one reason or another - it's not my place however to defend.

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Hi Nick,

 

While your suggestions are valid and may have been better in hindsight, but it may not have been easier to suddenly do wave starts as indicated above.

 

Re: the first comment about decision makers with no Open Water Swimming ability, I'm not sure you'd class Greg Welch in that category. The decision makers slash organisers have copped a pretty decent pasting on here for a variety of reasons but given what they put up, what they had at their disposal, the constraints and risks that need considering, it seems a pretty good job. Sure greater contingency COULD have been an option but who knows (not me), the cost may have been prohibitive.

 

My main point of this post to clarify a few comments that have popped up from JimmyC and others along with this one questioning the knowledge or background or competence to deal with the situation at hand. A lot of the suggestions put forward on this post were considered but couldn't happen for one reason or another - it's not my place however to defend.

 

 

Just to clarify - I meant that wave starts should be done in the future. Understand that there would be no realistic way it could have happened last Sunday.

 

I think the organizers did a pretty good job under the circumstances, but I still think that the revised swim course was a disaster waiting to happen. Having said that, the description of the course (as conveyed over the microphone) didn't help matters.

 

The WTC need to be open to suggestions, and IMO, wave starts are a must. That way, if situations like the weekend come up, they will be better prepared.

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I really enjoyed the cola. Agree about the water sachets tasting odd, but was able to get them down.

 

 

Yes but people wondering how relevant your tastes are should refer back to the "photograph your meal" thread. :sick:

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Put yourself in the organisers shoes, rough water (a lot rougher when you were in as opposed to watching it), 2200 athletes waiting, juggling predetermined timeframes for closing 45 k of a freeway and all the costs and logistics which go with that,working through all the possible scenarios, not an easy job.

They did a good job under the circumstances.

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I do wonder why the course they came up with on saturday wasn't used, the triangle shaped one that would have been 1.9km. They could have let the pros go on time to do a full course, there would have been none of the issues with everyone swimming into each other, less risk of anyone getting caught into the pier, and most importantly everyone would have known what the course was from the night before.

 

If they do go with wave starts it will just be an excuse to add another 500 odd entrants.

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Put yourself in the organisers shoes, rough water (a lot rougher when you were in as opposed to watching it), 2200 athletes waiting, juggling predetermined timeframes for closing 45 k of a freeway and all the costs and logistics which go with that,working through all the possible scenarios, not an easy job.

They did a good job under the circumstances.

 

 

Sorry but I completely disagree.

 

If it was that bad a good job would've been cancelling the swim all together.

 

The way it was done there was no way for people to actually swim or for the organisers to have any control over the swim course.

 

You can see that by the footage posted above. How would you feel if someone took your Kona for cutting the swim short just because everyone was doing?

 

No matter how you look at it, this is the organisers fault.

 

You pay almost $1K for race 12 months in advance so it is fair to expect some competent people ready to make smart decisions on the go.

 

It's not like they found out the weather was turning to shit a few minutes before the race start, the whole thing started the day before.

 

I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't make the decision to change the swim the day before so everyone could be well briefed and aware of the situation, as well as make the necessary adjustments for wave starts.

 

And if all of that sounds too hard or not possible then they should've just made the call to cancel the swim and live with it.

 

To me it sounds like there was no one in charge and ready to make the tough decisions and the whole thing ended up being a massive shambles.

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I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't make the decision to change the swim the day before so everyone could be well briefed and aware of the situation, as well as make the necessary adjustments for wave starts.

 

 

I think it is funny that the same group who got smashed for making an early decision to change the Mooloolaba swim are getting smashed for making a late decision to change the Melbourne swim. :)

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I don't really think the two are even comparable Tyno.

 

A lot less noise for Mooloolaba and most people in the end understood it was for the better, even if you disagreed.

 

Same for New Zealand a couple of years ago.

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