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7 hours ago, goughy said:

Read an interesting article this morning that was saying that when the people want a change of govt, they don't want a change of everything else as well, and trying to do so is a death Nell.  It used I think 5 times when the current govt was on the nose and it was expected that a change was a given, but the opposition went hard with also promising big changes and in 4 cases they suffered a "surprise" loss.  Hewson is the obvious one, and apparently Hawke reminded him for years that he should have just shut up about the GST and waited till he was in power.  

GST was a big change. It was not sold correctly.

The GST In theory allows the wealthier to pay more tax through spending. As they say... the more you have the more you spend.

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A more unloseable election than the last one.

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10 hours ago, IronmanFoz said:

GST was a big change. It was not sold correctly.

The GST In theory allows the wealthier to pay more tax through spending. As they say... the more you have the more you spend.

In theory it does, in practice it doesn't. Mainly because it's not the wealthy running out to buy the latest 'must have' phone, pay tv or buying cars on PCP. The wealthy make things last, the super wealthy buy whatever they want. You don't get/stay wealthy by spending it.

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If Scott Morrison became ScoMo, does that mean Anthony Albanese becomes AnAl???

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14 hours ago, goughy said:

If Scott Morrison became ScoMo, does that mean Anthony Albanese becomes AnAl???

AnAl? No I recon he’ll stick with Albo. At least he didn’t have to come up with it himself and have it focus grouped first before running with it.

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Looks like the ALP think they can do without those Queensland seats they lost, given that Albo still doesn't want to back Adani and his deputy-elect has reversed his February anti-coal stance

Fun times...

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It's James Comey's fault

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On 26/05/2019 at 7:24 PM, goughy said:

If Scott Morrison became ScoMo, does that mean Anthony Albanese becomes AnAl???

I heard ScoMo being called.....” ScoMo....The Mesiah from the Shire”

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13 minutes ago, IronmanFoz said:

I heard ScoMo being called.....” ScoMo....The Mesiah from the Shire”

I heard Albo being referred to as the 'Marrickville Mauler'

The great Labor tradition of plagiarism continues 

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those evil “top end of town” savages........

oh dear Bill. Keep guessing.

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44 minutes ago, Prince said:

those evil “top end of town” savages........

oh dear Bill. Keep guessing.

That was some extremely poor judgment, not just by Shortpants, but by the whole party.

If that kind of sentiment was part of a behind closed doors, rev 'em up speech, it might have been OK.

"The bad guys are against us and they won this time, but by god we'll get em next time!" kind of thing.

But as a public speech it showed a terrible lack of political nouse and likely reinforced the thoughts of a lot of people who couldn't vote for them.

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16 hours ago, Prince said:

those evil “top end of town” savages........

oh dear Bill. Keep guessing.

Mr Mediscare complaining about lies and spreading fear is breathtakingly hypocritical 

No mention either of the rivers of gold from the union movement, GetUp etc. or favourable coverage from the ABC/Nein Media in his analysis of 'vested interests'

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Complaining that a politician was being hypocritical is like complaining that they're breathing.  They all do it, we can't stop it, and they won't stop it either!  None of them.

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They've finally worked out the cost of Labor's Climate Change policy.

An election, and a leader.

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6 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

They've finally worked out the cost of Labor's Climate Change policy.

An election, and a leader.

 

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3 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

 

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And then they go ahead and promote Kristina Kennearly over people who are way more qualified. Did Labor not learn anything in there defeat. KK is a poisoned chalice.

And they even gave Bill a job. Oh dear.

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Hey Queensland, is it true the Indian mine will only provide 800 of you a job once (if) it ever gets built? Well done you.

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30 minutes ago, Parkside said:

Hey Queensland, is it true the Indian mine will only provide 800 of you a job once (if) it ever gets built? Well done you.

If you think the mine is the one reason why Labor lost, when the vast majority of regional seats said a resounding no, then you really have not thought this one out

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55 minutes ago, Cottoneyes said:

If you think the mine is the one reason why Labor lost, when the vast majority of regional seats said a resounding no, then you really have not thought this one out

is it not the resounding reason there was massive swings in Qld? 

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5 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

KK is hot smart and qualified only mistake is she is not the leader

The only thing KK is good at is losing elections 

By all means though, put your faith in her 

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2 hours ago, Parkside said:

Hey Queensland, is it true the Indian mine will only provide 800 of you a job once (if) it ever gets built? 

Probably not 

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42 minutes ago, Parkside said:

is it not the resounding reason there was massive swings in Qld? 

Trying to appease a noisy minority in inner city suburbs with no grasp on the reality beyond the sidewalk is probably the main reason. 

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So we are supposed to believe that the consequence of climate change may be an end to civilisation within 30 years?

The only reasonable question to ask is whether the green movement can understand that they will never be taken seriously while espousing doomsday scenarios yet still eschewing nuclear.  Billions will almost certainly die and continents worth of land will be rendered unusable if we don't reduce carbon emissions apparently yet a proven solution that has a one-in-a-million chance of killing a few hundred and laying waste to hundreds of hectares is a bridge too far?  You'd have to be a moron not to take those odds, right?

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1 hour ago, IronJimbo said:

The only thing KK is good at is losing elections 

By all means though, put your faith in her 

She is hot

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Trying to appease a noisy minority in inner city suburbs with no grasp on the reality beyond the sidewalk is probably the main reason.

more realistic

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8 hours ago, Parkside said:

is it not the resounding reason there was massive swings in Qld? 

nah. we just hated Shortpantz more than the other states. 

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Gruppenfuhrer Dutton knows nussink about Statzpolizei raids in the media? Nice one Shultz 

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Yeah nah, state suppression of the media  has nothing to do with Godwin’s law. For a party which is fervent in defence of freedom of speech it looks a bit weird for journos to be getting raided all week.

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3 minutes ago, Parkside said:

Yeah nah, state suppression of the media  has nothing to do with Godwin’s law. For a party which is fervent in defence of freedom of speech it looks a bit weird for journos to be getting raided all week.

But the boats.

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33 minutes ago, Parkside said:

Yeah nah, state suppression of the media  has nothing to do with Godwin’s law. For a party which is fervent in defence of freedom of speech it looks a bit weird for journos to be getting raided all week.

You'd think with all the carry on that we were in China or something. The police are investigating someone breaking a law. An independent judge reckons they should search a premises. Not sure why that is a problem if they happen to be a journalist. Not to mention in what other country would the police officers let a dude live tweet about it thoughout the search (50 tweets!) ?! We have it pretty good. 

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Really - maybe time to read up on how the McCarthy era started.  Both investigations where proven to be true and hidden by the parties involved.  This is now a witch hunt for the leaker to also intimidate anyone else that may step forward with legitimate concerns.

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So why the raids now? Is it just that the election is over, so it's payback time, or were they treading softly earlier so as not to get further bad publicity going into an election cycle. Remember, the issue they are chasing up happened 18 months ago.

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8 hours ago, Parkside said:

Yeah nah, state suppression of the media  has nothing to do with Godwin’s law. For a party which is fervent in defence of freedom of speech it looks a bit weird for journos to be getting raided all week.

Your invoking of Nazi Germany has everything to do with Godwin's law

I'd like to be able to say you're better than that, but, well, you know...

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5 minutes ago, BarryBevan said:

Economy slowed

That'd be the previous Government's fault.

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2 hours ago, symo said:

Really - maybe time to read up on how the McCarthy era started.  Both investigations where proven to be true and hidden by the parties involved.  This is now a witch hunt for the leaker to also intimidate anyone else that may step forward with legitimate concerns.

Isn't this what that Assange guy did?

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11 hours ago, dazaau said:

You'd think with all the carry on that we were in China or something. The police are investigating someone breaking a law. An independent judge reckons they should search a premises. Not sure why that is a problem if they happen to be a journalist. Not to mention in what other country would the police officers let a dude live tweet about it thoughout the search (50 tweets!) ?! We have it pretty good. 

A judge might have agreed there is a legal right - because judges make decisions based on law - but whether or not such a law should exist is another matter.

Authoritarian states typically don't happen overnight, but rather in steps that people ignore as "doesn't affect me changes" until one day it does.

It's curious how much conservatives will try to rationalise acceptance of increased authority, and yet resist change to almost anything else.

As a society, we need a balance of rules to limit the excesses of those who won't play nice, and freedom for those who will.

But legislation and enforcement must be transparent and not used as a means to obfuscate and protect the operations of the enforcers.

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3 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Your invoking of Nazi Germany has everything to do with Godwin's law

Quoting Godwin's law is so '90s, and even he says that it is not applicable when discussing matters of authoritarianism.

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1 hour ago, more said:

Isn't this what that Assange guy did?

exactly.  Throw the whole of the ABC muppets in jail i reckon. 

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40 minutes ago, XCOM.! said:

A judge might have agreed there is a legal right - because judges make decisions based on law - but whether or not such a law should exist is another matter.

Authoritarian states typically don't happen overnight, but rather in steps that people ignore as "doesn't affect me changes" until one day it does.

It's curious how much conservatives will try to rationalise acceptance of increased authority, and yet resist change to almost anything else.

As a society, we need a balance of rules to limit the excesses of those who won't play nice, and freedom for those who will.

But legislation and enforcement must be transparent and not used as a means to obfuscate and protect the operations of the enforcers.

I really am not following it - but are you suggesting the laws have changed? What's changing exactly that makes society worse off? 

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The "Afghan Files" as they were reported were very clearly revealing troops operational difficulties that could have been exploited to kill Australian soldiers.  It included details of ongoing investigations and characterised the SAS and 2 Commando as out of control murderers in a manner that could and indeed did damage relations between Australia and the Afghani government.  Articles about severed hands written to give the casual reader the impression of some bizarre trophy collection cult when in fact it was being done with intelligence gathering in mind (whether or not it should have happened is another matter) and revealing only one officer's name in the process, who just so happens to have been a sitting Liberal member of parliament.  The report did not seem to imply that there was any indication that thorough investigations were not being conducted or that there was evidence of active subversion of due process.

Was it in Australia's interest to have these details of incomplete investigations splashed across the international stage?  Undoubtedly not.  Was there any benefit to the public or reason to reveal Andrew Hastie's name, particularly since he was apparently one of the first to question the practice, knowing the damage that it could do to his reputation?  You're kidding, right?  Was there any real public interest test (other than mere curiosity) that this would pass?  Not on your life.

 

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17 minutes ago, Stikman said:

The "Afghan Files" as they were reported were very clearly revealing troops operational difficulties that could have been exploited to kill Australian soldiers.  It included details of ongoing investigations and characterised the SAS and 2 Commando as out of control murderers in a manner that could and indeed did damage relations between Australia and the Afghani government.  Articles about severed hands written to give the casual reader the impression of some bizarre trophy collection cult when in fact it was being done with intelligence gathering in mind (whether or not it should have happened is another matter) and revealing only one officer's name in the process, who just so happens to have been a sitting Liberal member of parliament.  The report did not seem to imply that there was any indication that thorough investigations were not being conducted or that there was evidence of active subversion of due process.

Was it in Australia's interest to have these details of incomplete investigations splashed across the international stage?  Undoubtedly not.  Was there any benefit to the public or reason to reveal Andrew Hastie's name, particularly since he was apparently one of the first to question the practice, knowing the damage that it could do to his reputation?  You're kidding, right?  Was there any real public interest test (other than mere curiosity) that this would pass?  Not on your life.

 

I agree, it should probably not have been aired. But why did the searches take place 18 months later, 2 weeks AFTER the election? 

And with the other raid (yes 2 in 2 days about totally unrelated matters), I wonder if Newscorp would have been as obliging of the Liberal Government leading up to the election if one of their reporters homes was searched by Fed's 2 weeks before the election rather than 2 weeks after it.

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Well that seems to be a question for the AFP (which they may or may choose to answer) but the automatic conclusion that an ongoing investigation could be and was influenced the government or one of its members is an extremely conspiratorial leap to make based on zero evidence.  Doubly so if you consider that the number of people involved and the chances of it being revealed make it make it just plain dumb.

Was this the first time warrants had been applied for or had they been denied previously?  Were the warrants granted months before and only just executed?  Lots of questions before such grave accusations should be even considered.

If members of the AFP chose to do this at this point in time simply to try and curry favour with the government then it would have made much more sense for them to do it prior to the election, which everyone knew beyond any doubt Labor would win, in order to further embarrass the coalition and impress the ALP. 

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3 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

Slowest since gfc

I can just imagine how disappointed you were when the GDP figure was positive 

Keep hoping though, there's still a very slim chance that in six months you might be able to celebrate a recession 

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55 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I can just imagine how disappointed you were when the GDP figure was positive 

Keep hoping though, there's still a very slim chance that in six months you might be able to celebrate a recession 

Can you explain the slow down. 

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1 hour ago, dazaau said:

I really am not following it - but are you suggesting the laws have changed? What's changing exactly that makes society worse off? 

Unless I'm mistaken sect 70 and 79 of the crimes act were changed last year. The action against Anika Smethust is in response to her exposure of proposals to introduce greatly expanded powers for the ASD to covertly monitor and assemble intelligence records on Australian citizens. The raids were under sect 70 and 79 which relate to criminal disclosure and/or publication of any fact or knowledge, and thus brings into question the previous denial by the ASD that no such plans exist.

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6 minutes ago, BarryBevan said:

Can you explain the slow down. 

It was the corporate leviathans

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