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4 hours ago, trinube said:

I've always thought polls were a bit hit and miss. I mean who would actually admit to voting for One Nation?

Exactly

Which is why conservatives generally were always going to do better on polling day 

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3 hours ago, Prince said:

well said,   where is Ooompa?  he is quiet. 

For a change  😄

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Funny, he doesn’t strike me as a loud mouth lefty IRL..... but I call BS on him ever voting conservative except maybe for our humble state Premier 

Same with Andrew#1 actually 

Edit: About Andrew being a loud mouth lefty. No way he has ever voted conservative 😎

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29 minutes ago, Prince said:

It might have come from this ‘big end of town’ mentality.  You can’t keep biting the people on high incomes or big corporations or the banks. Yes they earn a lot but they are also keeping this country alive    Fairness for all should be promoted

 

This

The electorate saw right though Bills attempt to divide the country 

How long till Bill calls it a day and there is a by election in his seat?

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58 minutes ago, goughy said:

I just wanna say this once then I'll leave it alone.  But there really is a sentimentality coming that all people who have great incomes, say that 90k/year or more are all hard workers who have sacrificed to get there.  And if you're not well off, you don't want it enough and don't work hard enough.  I really find this an appalling opinion, and I just can't understand where it comes from? 

I don't hold that opinion, and I doubt anyone else on here does either

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3 hours ago, Prince said:

well said,   where is Ooompa?  he is quiet. 

13 hours ago, Oompa Loompa said:

How good is it, democracy has spoken.    Happy Birthday Jimbo.

I called it earlier, I have no issue with it.  I vote for a fairer society rather then myself.   

The result helps me financially and my own self interest so no issues there, it is what it is.

Have been holding of on one or two financial decisions and this result makes it very clear now. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

Queensland the stupid state

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/headlines/shocked-leftie-starting-to-think-his-farm-invasions-werent-received-that-well-outside-fitzroy/

“Queensland is full of rednecks” says one Melbourne-based slam poet, Andy Vaxxer (59).

“Why would they vote against their self-interests?”

“How could they not see that we just want the best for them?”

This is just one of hundreds of thousands of cafe conversations pin-balling around echo chambers across the country this morning, following Scott Morrison’s landslide win against Labor in yesterday’s 2019 Federal Election.

However, today it appears some left-wing ideologues are beginning to eat humble pie – after months of STOP ADANI convoys and militant vegan farm invasions.

Andy says he doesn’t really know what the answer is, but maybe Australia is just full of stupid people who only vote conservatively because they aren’t as well educated as he is.

“I’m starting to think that breaking onto a 70-year-old’s cattle property and telling the entire agricultural sector that they are blights on our society might have been the wrong way to go about it”

“I mean, I don’t know much about Queensland other than the fact that it’s impossible to find a decent coffee in any of these towns we were protesting in… But…”

“I just think they are ruining our democracy by voting for the more charismatic political party”

However, one thing Andy doesn’t regret is shutting down the entire Melbourne CBD in peak hour traffic to promote a Youtube documentary about how eating red meat is bad.

“I guess, we could wait for the pre-poll votes” says Andy, in a delusional stretch of optimism.

“But seriously. I’d be really interested in seeing if there was any voter suppression in Melbourne and Sydney. Those massive swings to the Liberal Party don’t make sense to me”

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53 minutes ago, Rocket Salad said:

Clear mandate for the Adani mine.

Yes. Maybe we should let more coal mining get approvals.  but make sure its exported. The mining companies should then pay the largest tax and that money should be invested into renewables.  

Then major incentives for companies that start businesses that can have an impact on reducing our emissions etc 

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1 hour ago, goughy said:

I just wanna say this once then I'll leave it alone.  But there really is a sentimentality coming that all people who have great incomes, say that 90k/year or more are all hard workers who have sacrificed to get there.  And if you're not well off, you don't want it enough and don't work hard enough.  I really find this an appalling opinion, and I just can't understand where it comes from?  But every time you put a piece of trash in the bin at a shopping centre, someone has to empty it for you!  Every time you take a shit in their toilets, someone has to eventually clean that toilet!  Are you gonna do it?  Are you gonna pay someone 100k to do it?  Why don't you find the cleaner the next time you're at a Westfield and you tell them they just don't want it enough and aren't trying enough!

And before IJ asks me, yes, I have done this!  For 18 months, 7 days a week.  Not everyone will reach the heights of everyone else.  If we all did, I bet this country wouldn't survive.  But this elitist attitude, or whatever it is, that because your doing well then you must be better than those that aren't, is just crap.

I do work for wealthy people, and for people who aren't as well off.  I'm about to do a job for one of the wealthiest families in town.  You know how much I charged them; the same as I do for everyone else!  Because wealthy or not, we're all the same people.  No one is any better than anyone else because of money.  I know well off people who are absolute piece of shit self centred wankers, and I know well off people who are the absolute salt of the earth.  The same goes for the less wealthy people I know.

And if you want to think that I have an attitude problem about wealthier people, well out of all my friends here, there wouldn't be one whose family income is less than triple what ours is!  Most would be much higher than that.  Not one of those people think less of me because of it, and I don't covert what they have.  I love my family and I would, and do do everything I can for them.  That is all I need in life.

As others have said I don't think anyone would think that is the case. But what does seem to happen all to often is people see people on 'high' incomes or net wealth and think that they have got it easily.

I've seen and worked with many very wealthy people and in every example not a single one got to where there are without an extremely high amount of hard work and sacrifice. It many cases you have 'working class's guys who have worked 7 days a week and mortgaged their house and hardkey seen their kids to get where they are. And then to have the Labor party continually come along and call them the 'top end' of town and to penalise them is an absolute disgrace and an insult to everyone who has rolled up their sleeves to better themselves and their families.

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Yes.  And I think all around Morrison is a pretty decent guy   He is coming across more genuine to me as time goes on. I can put up with a bible bashing PM I guess.  I think  there are worse things he could be  at least he won’t have an Affair  😂

my own opinion is that if he had some detractors in the party then they are humbled and he will now be so massively respected in his party now and the independents keep both parties honest.  

I have a lot of hope. I don’t care if it gets good or better for me. I live from pay cheque to pay cheque which is fine. I just want a ‘good government’ and a leader that has some guts   

 

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53 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I don't hold that opinion, and I doubt anyone else on here does either

I’m sure most here don’t but I’ve met plenty that do. 

 

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2 hours ago, goughy said:

I just wanna say this once then I'll leave it alone.  But there really is a sentimentality coming that all people who have great incomes, say that 90k/year or more are all hard workers who have sacrificed to get there.  And if you're not well off, you don't want it enough and don't work hard enough.  I really find this an appalling opinion, and I just can't understand where it comes from?  But every time you put a piece of trash in the bin at a shopping centre, someone has to empty it for you!  Every time you take a shit in their toilets, someone has to eventually clean that toilet!  Are you gonna do it?  Are you gonna pay someone 100k to do it?  Why don't you find the cleaner the next time you're at a Westfield and you tell them they just don't want it enough and aren't trying enough!

And before IJ asks me, yes, I have done this!  For 18 months, 7 days a week.  Not everyone will reach the heights of everyone else.  If we all did, I bet this country wouldn't survive.  But this elitist attitude, or whatever it is, that because your doing well then you must be better than those that aren't, is just crap.

I do work for wealthy people, and for people who aren't as well off.  I'm about to do a job for one of the wealthiest families in town.  You know how much I charged them; the same as I do for everyone else!  Because wealthy or not, we're all the same people.  No one is any better than anyone else because of money.  I know well off people who are absolute piece of shit self centred wankers, and I know well off people who are the absolute salt of the earth.  The same goes for the less wealthy people I know.

And if you want to think that I have an attitude problem about wealthier people, well out of all my friends here, there wouldn't be one whose family income is less than triple what ours is!  Most would be much higher than that.  Not one of those people think less of me because of it, and I don't covert what they have.  I love my family and I would, and do do everything I can for them.  That is all I need in life.

I made the point about the 90k. But your post has missed the point in that it is not about the worker who earns more or less etc.It was about the perception of what the Labour government thinks is the top end of town. Like I said they are out of touch.

Your other point is more around respect for others..... and like Congressman IronJimbo and others said ......they don’t hold that opinion etc. For me.....I have friends who has nothing and friends who have insane amounts of $. No one treats anyone else differently. And that is also the great thing about sport in general and also with Triathlon. It is the great leveled!

Finally talking about toilet cleaners etc. I work in an office and due to shift work I see a lot of the cleaners in evenings etc. Just because our jobs are different it doesn’t stop me talking to them and asking them where there from etc (mostly India). They are great people and they get my respect whatever job they do.

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1 hour ago, Prince said:

Yes. Maybe we should let more coal mining get approvals.  but make sure its exported. The mining companies should then pay the largest tax and that money should be invested into renewables.  

Then major incentives for companies that start businesses that can have an impact on reducing our emissions etc 

We could call it the Minerals Resource Rent Tax!

Or maybe not. :unsure:

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4 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Yet Australia leads the world in the amount we leave for our family when we die. Results from 2017 show the average inheritance left by Australians ($501,000) is 4 times the global average, and nearly 50% higher than the 2nd country on the list, Singapore. What is it, but compulsory Super that has led to that?

Home ownership.

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Pretty disappointed that Bob Hawke didn’t hang around a few more days to see Shortin lose the unloseable.

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2 minutes ago, IronmanFoz said:

Pretty disappointed that Bob Hawke didn’t hang around a few more days to see Shortin lose the unloseable.

That's not very charitable, or helpful.

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4 hours ago, Mr Tinman said:

Exactly 

Super needs to be made as attractive as possible for those on lower incomes

I think it’s time the 15% contribution tax was abolished for those earning less than say $100k

The more the government can encourage people to save for their retirement the more money they will save over the long term

Super is a weird beast. The incentives are all over the place. I know people who bulldozed and rebuilt their house in an inner melbourne suburb to stick more equity into the house so they could get more pension. This person does plenty ok. If you do have a superfund and are living on it, the most rational thing to do is deplete it totally before you die and live on the pension in the last years of your life with the equity in your home.

If you are just getting by why on earth would you put more money in Super? It doesn't stack up. Trip away with the family or an additional super contribution, not a hard choice!.

For the well off it makes sense because they want to retire in style. But if you are used to living a frugal life then there is really no point living on even less so you can save other taxpayers money in pension payments later in life. If you have a choice between living frugally on a pension or on your own super well that's a no brainer isn't it. 

Anyway, not sure why I am rambling about super!

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7 hours ago, roxii said:

Well done Scomo. 

Im in his electorate so I suppose nothing will change we didn’t see him when he was PM, we didn’t see him during the election and now we won’t see him again.

gotta say though as a self professed centrist and a bit of a lover of the “fair go” I think as a population and a government we have set the bar pretty low when it seems our only metric for how well we are doing is based on raw dollars and cents and self interest.

The debate both among the pollies  and the population seemed to be centred on a very small number of hip pocket items.

surely we are better than that as a nation, or have we moved beyond that now? 

I think it's not just about "self interest". It's also ideological. 

Labor had quite a few polcieis that were pretty interventionist. This raises problems with some low-income workers because why, for example, should chidlcare workers get an extra 20% of wages from the Commonwealth while as Goughy points out people are cleaning toilets on low wages, working retail, working in aged care - what do they get? How is that "fair". I also think the huge union showing was unhelpful at this election, they were all over everything here - telling people to change the government - but many low income workers aren't unionised and they can't see how that helps them, only helps people they think are already doing very well. 

Liberal tends to be more about less intervention, get the overall policies right and regulate markets correctly. Now I can say there is plenty of room for improvement here, and labor pointed out some challenging areas that need improvement, but I'm sure people saw the endless supply of policies from labor and thought "who is paying for all this", and do I benefit?  ScoMo reconnected with some of the Howard "battlers" I think. This is what got him over the line. Bill Shorten disconnected with these "battlers".

Hopefully with ScoMo at the helm we get a more centrist liberal leader, which I think brings the party together (Abbott was too far right and Turnbull was never right to lead the liberal party) - and hopefully we see good government for all Australians as promised. The forthcoming tax cuts for everyone earning under 120k should certainly help and have bipartisan support. The economy is also not doing that well and this will help in that regard. 

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9 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

There was a huge amount of misinformation getting around in our electorate. There were full billboards warning people of "Labor's Death tax", and a lot of stuff about what Dutton had "Delivered", which in actual fact is just promises that weren't even costed in the recent budget.

Dutton had boasted earlier about his "$600,000 war-chest" to fight Get-up and was incredibly visible. I think however, at least in my part of the electorate, the biggest factor was the fuss they made about Ali France not living in the electorate. I think if she had, it would have made the difference to a lot of people. 

Agree, I work closely with 4 people who live in Dickson and all 4 said they were voting for Dutton. 1 because the Labor candidate lived in the next electorate and the other 3 because of Labor’s 40% death tax. 

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1 hour ago, dazaau said:

Super is a weird beast. The incentives are all over the place. I know people who bulldozed and rebuilt their house in an inner melbourne suburb to stick more equity into the house so they could get more pension. This person does plenty ok. If you do have a superfund and are living on it, the most rational thing to do is deplete it totally before you die and live on the pension in the last years of your life with the equity in your home.

If you are just getting by why on earth would you put more money in Super? It doesn't stack up. Trip away with the family or an additional super contribution, not a hard choice!.

For the well off it makes sense because they want to retire in style. But if you are used to living a frugal life then there is really no point living on even less so you can save other taxpayers money in pension payments later in life. If you have a choice between living frugally on a pension or on your own super well that's a no brainer isn't it. 

Anyway, not sure why I am rambling about super!

And then there's ex Cwlth public servants like my SIL who have one of those 'won the lottery' defined benefit pensions (80% of your highest salary level for life, spouse gets 50% if you die) - probably around $55-60K pa indexed to the CPI, lives in mansion in Noosa, and has been told by her financial adviser she will soon qualify for the aged pension!

Unbelievable.

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Wonder how many of the regular hosts on "The Project" are going to call in sick tonight rather than discuss the election?

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1 hour ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

And then there's ex Cwlth public servants like my SIL who have one of those 'won the lottery' defined benefit pensions (80% of your highest salary level for life, spouse gets 50% if you die) - probably around $55-60K pa indexed to the CPI, lives in mansion in Noosa, and has been told by her financial adviser she will soon qualify for the aged pension!

Unbelievable.

They restructure my area, put me in a subsidiary company, then brought us back in a year later. Because of that I had to leave the defined benefit scheme & enter an accumulation fund. This was 3 month before the start of the GFC. I've worked out this cost me around $400,000 in my Super Fund.

Bastards.

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32 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

They restructure my area, put me in a subsidiary company, then brought us back in a year later. Because of that I had to leave the defined benefit scheme & enter an accumulation fund. This was 3 month before the start of the GFC. I've worked out this cost me around $400,000 in my Super Fund.

Bastards.

Cwlth public service?

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This is the problem with the left-they are so smug and have such a superiority complex that when they lose they cant help but lash out calling everyone 'dumb' for not voting in who they wanted...and they continue to think insulting people is the way to get them onside??? Just NFI..

"‘Australians are dumb’: Celebs’ fury at Scott Morrison federal election win"

https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/australians-are-dumb-celebs-fury-at-scott-morrison-federal-election-win/news-story/8392a4c2d8540d0c895808896c61409d

 

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This is the problem with the left-they are so smug and have such a superiority complex that when they lose they cant help but lash out calling everyone 'dumb' for not voting in who they wanted...and they continue to think insulting people is the way to get them onside??? Just NFI..

"‘Australians are dumb’: Celebs’ fury at Scott Morrison federal election win"

Jeez have you ever listened to Alan Jones?

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21 minutes ago, symo said:

Jeez have you ever listened to Alan Jones?

And that is the worst outcome of last night. Jones isn't retiring.

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At least they are finally picking up on this link  Polling is so far behind the way society has moved.  Good book on this is "Everyone Lies"

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9 hours ago, goughy said:

I just wanna say this once then I'll leave it alone.  But there really is a sentimentality coming that all people who have great incomes, say that 90k/year or more are all hard workers who have sacrificed to get there.  And if you're not well off, you don't want it enough and don't work hard enough.  I really find this an appalling opinion, and I just can't understand where it comes from?  But every time you put a piece of trash in the bin at a shopping centre, someone has to empty it for you!  Every time you take a shit in their toilets, someone has to eventually clean that toilet!  Are you gonna do it?  Are you gonna pay someone 100k to do it?  Why don't you find the cleaner the next time you're at a Westfield and you tell them they just don't want it enough and aren't trying enough!

And before IJ asks me, yes, I have done this!  For 18 months, 7 days a week.  Not everyone will reach the heights of everyone else.  If we all did, I bet this country wouldn't survive.  But this elitist attitude, or whatever it is, that because your doing well then you must be better than those that aren't, is just crap.

I do work for wealthy people, and for people who aren't as well off.  I'm about to do a job for one of the wealthiest families in town.  You know how much I charged them; the same as I do for everyone else!  Because wealthy or not, we're all the same people.  No one is any better than anyone else because of money.  I know well off people who are absolute piece of shit self centred wankers, and I know well off people who are the absolute salt of the earth.  The same goes for the less wealthy people I know.

And if you want to think that I have an attitude problem about wealthier people, well out of all my friends here, there wouldn't be one whose family income is less than triple what ours is!  Most would be much higher than that.  Not one of those people think less of me because of it, and I don't covert what they have.  I love my family and I would, and do do everything I can for them.  That is all I need in life.

I’ve yet to see anyone on here look down on low income earners, not sure where that’s coming from? I have seen plenty of comments about people that work in corporates that somehow don’t earn an ‘honest living’. ( usually by the self employed types).

Come a walk a mile in my corporate ‘easy street’ shoes ( or Ex’) then you’ll have a shiny new definition of the word ‘stress’. Swinging a hammer and lifting shit is exhausting but here’s a newsflash, so is constantly dealing with demand, performance and SLT gymnastics.

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33 minutes ago, FatPom said:

I’ve yet to see anyone on here look down on low income earners, not sure where that’s coming from? I have seen plenty of comments about people that work in corporates that somehow don’t earn an ‘honest living’. ( usually by the self employed types).

I think Goughy is referring to outside of here as well. At my local "Meet the Candidates, a young guy asked the LNP member how a young person is supposed to afford a new house under the negative gearing policy that favours investors & pushes prices continually up. He  said you have to work harder.

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17 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I think Goughy is referring to outside of here as well. At my local "Meet the Candidates, a young guy asked the LNP member how a young person is supposed to afford a new house under the negative gearing policy that favours investors & pushes prices continually up. He  said you have to work harder.

Wait, isn't Dutton your local? What the heck kind of an answer is that from a minister!? 

 

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5 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I think Goughy is referring to outside of here as well. At my local "Meet the Candidates, a young guy asked the LNP member how a young person is supposed to afford a new house under the negative gearing policy that favours investors & pushes prices continually up. He  said you have to work harder.

Ah I see. I’ve heard this ‘ work harder’  statement before but yet to hear how it actually works.  If you’re a trade I guess you can work more hours. If you’re on piece work, then work faster ( but robots do that now).

If you’re in corporate, the opportunities to worker are forced on you everyday however, the opportunity to turn that harder work into more money is scarce.  There is always ‘process’ that may be once a year, so you work you ass off, achieve 115% of target, then find out that performance in some country you can’t find on a map has dragged the group score down and then you find yourself re-applying for job.

Working harder, it’s as simple as that.:lol:

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36 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I think Goughy is referring to outside of here as well. At my local "Meet the Candidates, a young guy asked the LNP member how a young person is supposed to afford a new house under the negative gearing policy that favours investors & pushes prices continually up. He  said you have to work harder.

Why do people think working harder is a bad idea? 

When I bought my first place interest rates were 17.25%. There was no first home owners benefits and to get a loan you had to beg to your bank manager. I was earning bugger all and worked a second job to raise the deposit. My parents were poor and could offer me no assistance. I scrapped and saved and it took years to start to see the light.

News flash to millenials - sometimes life is hard and you have to work harder if you want to get ahead. No-one is forcing you to buy a house but if you want to then expect it to be difficult - as it was for your parents.

For the record, I have 2 millennials living under my roof.

 

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34 minutes ago, FatPom said:

 

If you’re in corporate, the opportunities to worker are forced on you everyday however, the opportunity to turn that harder work into more money is scarce.  There is always ‘process’ that may be once a year, so you work you ass off, achieve 115% of target, then find out that performance in some country you can’t find on a map has dragged the group score down and then you find yourself re-applying for job.

 

Or as many companies now do, find the aforementioned country that you can't find on a map, hire the locals for 1/6th of your wage and give you a redundancy

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3 hours ago, more said:

And this is why Newscorp can't be trusted.  Fake news if ever seen.  I'm not afraid to call them out for this and the false reporting:

 

Jane Caro and Meshel Laurie are not celebrities.  Come on Donald, where's the tweet calling this one out?

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39 minutes ago, FatPom said:

Ah I see. I’ve heard this ‘ work harder’  statement before but yet to hear how it actually works.  If you’re a trade I guess you can work more hours. If you’re on piece work, then work faster ( but robots do that now).

If you’re in corporate, the opportunities to worker are forced on you everyday however, the opportunity to turn that harder work into more money is scarce.  There is always ‘process’ that may be once a year, so you work you ass off, achieve 115% of target, then find out that performance in some country you can’t find on a map has dragged the group score down and then you find yourself re-applying for job.

Working harder, it’s as simple as that.:lol:

Totally agree FP....... how often do you hear the line.......”due to current economic climate........blah blah blah” being the reason for no salary increase or no/reduced bonus.... even when they have turned a massive bonus.

And the phrase work harder is a cop out. And just because someone gets paid heaps does not mean they work harder.

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11 hours ago, goughy said:

I just wanna say this once then I'll leave it alone.  But there really is a sentimentality coming that all people who have great incomes, say that 90k/year or more are all hard workers who have sacrificed to get there.  And if you're not well off, you don't want it enough and don't work hard enough.  I really find this an appalling opinion, and I just can't understand where it comes from?  But every time you put a piece of trash in the bin at a shopping centre, someone has to empty it for you!  Every time you take a shit in their toilets, someone has to eventually clean that toilet!  Are you gonna do it?  Are you gonna pay someone 100k to do it?  Why don't you find the cleaner the next time you're at a Westfield and you tell them they just don't want it enough and aren't trying enough!

A lot of people aren't going to like this but sometimes I feel the need to drop a truth bomb.

One of my favourite show growing up was Kung Fu. Once day grasshopper was looking for work and was apologetically offered shovelling shit from a barn. He shrugged and said "all work is honourable". I've always remembered it and tell my kids regularly when they have to do things they prefer not to. My first job was pumping petrol for 70c an hour. The first task every day was cleaning the toilets. There's nothing wrong with these jobs BUT there is no reason to keep doing it the rest of your life.

Ironman is a good analogy for low paid jobs - there'll be people who just do the minimum and are happy to finish in 17 hours. They never aspire to do more training or get faster, they just find their niche and plod. Jobs can be the same. There are people in low skilled, process jobs who never aspire to do anything else. They don't want to get further educated, they don't want to excel at what they're doing, they don't look for other work or take a risk at a career change - they just want to do the minimum they can and get a cheque at the end of the week. I have no issue with this until they expect to get above CPI pay rises without offering something in return. Like it or not, these jobs are low paying for a reason and it doesn't make economic sense to pay more for it.

The genius of the Hawke/Keating Accord was the productivity trade off. Anyone could get a pay rise if they demonstrated improved productivity. Everyone won. Workers got paid more, businesses made more profit and the government got more tax. I want  every worker to make as much as they possibly can but that requires people to extend themselves. Rather than disparaging people for growing wealth, we should be actively encouraging people to aspire to wealth. Welfare should be a safety net, not a retirement plan.

One of Labor's failings is its demonisation of 'the big end of town'. Yes, there are some prick businesses, but these highly profitable bastards employ hundreds of thousands of people and earn their shareholders billions of dollars. And guess where a large percentage of that goes? Super funds which are making considerable sums for the same low paid people Labor is supposed to be representing.

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2 minutes ago, Cottoneyes said:

And this is why Newscorp can't be trusted.  Fake news if ever seen.  I'm not afraid to call them out for this and the false reporting: Jane Caro and Meshel Laurie are not celebrities.

:lol:

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2 hours ago, FatPom said:

I’ve yet to see anyone on here look down on low income earners, not sure where that’s coming from?

I certainly don't look down on them - I was one for a long time. I do however believe that Australia is a great place for people to be able to extract themselves from this position.

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

how a young person is supposed to afford a new house under the negative gearing policy that favours investors & pushes prices continually up. 

A funny thing I read about a week ago. A Labor supporter was berating the Liberals because house prices have dropped 10% in the past 12 months. I'm still not entirely sure what their position is. Do they want record high prices where everyone feels great because they have decent equity or do they want prices low so they're affordable for anyone (which, ironically, would eventually create upward pressure on prices as people come into the market)? 

I'm absolutely convinced it was nothing more than simply wanting any reason to hate on the Libs.

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52 minutes ago, trinube said:

Why do people think working harder is a bad idea? 

It’s not a bad idea, it just isn’t the answer to addressing systemic issues and disadvantages that many people face. 

 

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8 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I think Goughy is referring to outside of here as well. At my local "Meet the Candidates, a young guy asked the LNP member how a young person is supposed to afford a new house under the negative gearing policy that favours investors & pushes prices continually up. He  said you have to work harder.

 did anyone correct the young guy that this may not be why he can't  afford a house? I would think the deposit is more likely the reason. But definitely a poor thing to say. 

Potato head seems like he isn't all over it.  

 

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10 hours ago, IronmanFoz said:

Pretty disappointed that Bob Hawke didn’t hang around a few more days to see Shortin lose the unloseable.

Nothing worse than a poor winner.

Here’s a guy who both sides of politics honoured this week in his passing, recognising without party lines, his achievements and ability to bring all aussies together and you go and get childish after your team has won. How old are you?

time and place dude, clearly not your strong suite.

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5 hours ago, Leon said:

Nothing worse than a poor winner.

Here’s a guy who both sides of politics honoured this week in his passing, recognising without party lines, his achievements and ability to bring all aussies together and you go and get childish after your team has won. How old are you?

time and place dude, clearly not your strong suite.

You missed the point! Nothing to do with Bobs achievements etc which was many and I think we all acknowledge that..... it’s just that I despise Shorten so much and would love to have Bob see him for what he is.

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10 hours ago, FatPom said:

I’ve yet to see anyone on here look down on low income earners, not sure where that’s coming from? I have seen plenty of comments about people that work in corporates that somehow don’t earn an ‘honest living’. ( usually by the self employed types).

Come a walk a mile in my corporate ‘easy street’ shoes ( or Ex’) then you’ll have a shiny new definition of the word ‘stress’. Swinging a hammer and lifting shit is exhausting but here’s a newsflash, so is constantly dealing with demand, performance and SLT gymnastics.

and in the same vein, try being self employed and having pricks delaying paying you, the mortgage payment is due, the credit card is maxed and the cupboard is empty.

 

It swings both ways mate 🙂

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2 minutes ago, Mr Tinman said:

and in the same vein, try being self employed and having pricks delaying paying you, the mortgage payment is due, the credit card is maxed and the cupboard is empty.

 

It swings both ways mate 🙂

How is that related to working harder?

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