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As a lefty, it's a sad day.  Not unsurprising, just sad.  How they've held after the last 6 years is unfathomable to me?  How Dutton has held is unfathomable to me.  Did Labor go to hard with too many policies?  Maybe.  But I think they still have one big foot in the ointment (not that I myself have any issues with him).

Will be friggin hilarious when the first opinion polls come out and two party preferred has Labor ahead 51 to 49 :)

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1 minute ago, goughy said:

I think you are completely wrong on this!  One, maybe two people.  I'm as left leaning as probably anyone here, and clearly as passionate about it.  Find me a person who I have tried to run roughshod over?  And many other of the lefties too.  And there are those on the right who give as good as they get.

I don't think I lean either way - I've voted for both labor and liberal in the recent past. This time around it was an easier decision for me as I detest Bill Shorten and Labor put forward a few policies which were bad for me personally, and which I think would have been bad overall.

The catch was that I hate Abbott and Dutton as much as I hate Shorten. As I've long said, I crave a more centerist government. I really hate the recent trend of the major parties extending to their extremities. Labor further to the left and the Libs further to the right.

Hopefully we can enjoy a more centerist, stable government for the next 4 years.

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3 minutes ago, trinube said:

I don't think I lean either way - I've voted for both labor and liberal in the recent past. This time around it was an easier decision for me as I detest Bill Shorten and Labor put forward a few policies which were bad for me personally, and which I think would have been bad overall.

The catch was that I hate Abbott and Dutton as much as I hate Shorten. As I've long said, I crave a more centerist government. I really hate the recent trend of the major parties extending to their extremities. Labor further to the left and the Libs further to the right.

Hopefully we can enjoy a more centerist, stable government for the next 4 years.

And maybe that's why Hawke was such a great PM, because he had a good mix of left and right. But if you say that then the  outrage squad get outraged...

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I'm with you Trinube.  I had a choice between voting for a local member (lib) that I despise in the same mold as Abbot, or I could vote for a relatively good candidate from labor but then support Shorten.  In the end informal got my vote.

Don't care either way, but if Scomo without his religion is as far right as we go than I can live with that

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7 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Very good, given that most of them were either leftists or Turnbull loyalists

So you define left as anyone marginally less rightwing than your position? ;)

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I can't believe how many people vote for One Nation. It sounds like Malcolm Roberts might get in again - staggering.

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1 minute ago, trinube said:

I can't believe how many people vote for One Nation. It sounds like Malcolm Roberts might get in again - staggering.

They were polling over 12% in Longman in Qld, with Palmer another 3+%.

There's something special about Qld.

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5 minutes ago, trinube said:

I can't believe how many people vote for One Nation. It sounds like Malcolm Roberts might get in again - staggering.

Malcolm Roberts. Horrors. 

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16 minutes ago, Paul Every said:

So you define left as anyone marginally less rightwing than your position? ;)

No, I regard people like Christopher Pyne, Craig Laundy and Julie Bishop as left 

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3 minutes ago, Paul Every said:

They were polling over 12% in Longman in Qld, with Palmer another 3+%.

There's something special about Qld.

As I said, Queensland is Australia's retirement village

Adani wouldn't have helped either

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Just now, Oompa Loompa said:

How good is it, democracy has spoken.    Happy Birthday Jimbo.

Oh yeah, I must remember to unblock you on FB now :)

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5 minutes ago, Oompa Loompa said:

How good is it, democracy has spoken.    Happy Birthday Jimbo.

Tell me about it...

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Yes, what hope do we have when so much of the country will vote for those 3 nutbag parties!  

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Great day for Australia, the right wing of the Liberal party is badly hurt with their captain gone, and a more centrist, less ideological and sensible government will hopefully be formed. 

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1 minute ago, Rog said:

Great day for Australia, the right wing of the ALP is badly hurt with their captain gone, and a more centrist, less ideological and sensible government will hopefully be formed. 

I assume you mean LNP

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Yeah sorry edited 

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Unsurprisingly, Shorten resigning from leadership

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Why does Bill put on a silly voice    It’s also a concession speech not a valedictory speech. 

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3 minutes ago, dazaau said:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/betting-agency-makes-monumental-and-costly-error-ahead-of-election/news-story/a9a49b6aef6d2b03e9a8d0841a376d81 

SportsBet regretting paying out $1.3 million to punters on the labor victory a few days early.. 

 

 

 

lol, I read about that the other day.  Just bizarre...

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2 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

lol, I read about that the other day.  Just bizarre...

I know! Crazy right. 

The most expensive part is yet to come though I guess, they still have to pay the other side out at high odds - with nothing to offset the losses. Mental :lol:

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8 hours ago, goughy said:

How Dutton has held is unfathomable to me.

There was a huge amount of misinformation getting around in our electorate. There were full billboards warning people of "Labor's Death tax", and a lot of stuff about what Dutton had "Delivered", which in actual fact is just promises that weren't even costed in the recent budget.

Dutton had boasted earlier about his "$600,000 war-chest" to fight Get-up and was incredibly visible. I think however, at least in my part of the electorate, the biggest factor was the fuss they made about Ali France not living in the electorate. I think if she had, it would have made the difference to a lot of people. 

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I read a comment else where that Anthony Green said the inaccuracy of polls is coming down to people not having landlines anymore.  That's Labor's fault then for instigating an NBN, or a cunning plan by the LNP for hamstringing it so much that calls weren't getting through.

Either way, I'm watching the Sun come up so we didn't all die!

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17 minutes ago, goughy said:

I read a comment else where that Anthony Green said the inaccuracy of polls is coming down to people not having landlines anymore. 

You'd have to think the polling companies would be nervous about their future when the figures were so poor. Qld were polling 50-50 and it ended up 58-42 - that's a pretty big margin of error.

I've always thought polls were a bit hit and miss. I mean who would actually admit to voting for One Nation?

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Well done Scomo. 

Im in his electorate so I suppose nothing will change we didn’t see him when he was PM, we didn’t see him during the election and now we won’t see him again.

gotta say though as a self professed centrist and a bit of a lover of the “fair go” I think as a population and a government we have set the bar pretty low when it seems our only metric for how well we are doing is based on raw dollars and cents and self interest.

The debate both among the pollies  and the population seemed to be centred on a very small number of hip pocket items.

surely we are better than that as a nation, or have we moved beyond that now? 

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“The goal for the United Australia Party was to ensure the Labor Government did not get into power, introducing more than $1 trillion of new taxes,” Mr Palmer said.

Called it 2 weeks ago, don't underestimate the Palmer effect. Only annoyed I did not put my money where my mouth was

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7 minutes ago, roxii said:

gotta say though as a self professed centrist and a bit of a lover of the “fair go” I think as a population and a government we have set the bar pretty low when it seems our only metric for how well we are doing is based on raw dollars and cents and self interest.

The debate both among the pollies  and the population seemed to be centred on a very small number of hip pocket items.

 

Yes, I was just saying exactly the same to my mother & Mrs.

At the end of the day, most people vote with their hip pocket, esp. those poor bastards mortgaged to the eyeballs in a capital city.

I think I'm following the classic pattern of moving a bit more left of centre as I get older & more financially secure & think more about the planet etc. we'll leave for kids/grandkids, which was reflected in my voting this time around (an Independent who I've worked with on renewable energy issues, who I know is morally a good person, but still understands if you want those solutions to work, they have to be economically viable).

If I'd been all about getting $'s into our electorate, I'd have voted Barnaby, but he's crazy as a cut snake & I just couldn't go there.

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6 minutes ago, roxii said:

gotta say though as a self professed centrist and a bit of a lover of the “fair go” I think as a population and a government we have set the bar pretty low when it seems our only metric for how well we are doing is based on raw dollars and cents and self interest.The debate both among the pollies  and the population seemed to be centred on a very small number of hip pocket items. surely we are better than that as a nation, or have we moved beyond that now? 

Everyone will vote with self interest in mind, regardless of how egalitarian they are. There were definitely policies which would have affected me personally but more importantly there were policies I thought were bad for the country.

It's virtually impossible to get a party who reflect how I feel on all policies so it's a matter of choosing the one which best aligns.

Whilst I voted LNP this time around, they just happened to be a better fit this time around. Having said that...
I think their climate policy sucks.
I hate energy discussion being limited to coal or renewable when I think Nuclear would be preferable.
I don't think workers should be given an above CPI pay increase unless - just like Bob Hawke's Accord - there is some productivity increase in return.
I don't like our immigration policy
Medicare needs to be looked at as it wastes vast sums of money whilst not providing things it should (dental/physio/optical)

Anyway, that goodness it's over - this campaign has really shitted me.
 

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1 hour ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

There was a huge amount of misinformation getting around in our electorate. There were full billboards warning people of "Labor's Death tax", and a lot of stuff about what Dutton had "Delivered", which in actual fact is just promises that weren't even costed in the recent budget.

Dutton had boasted earlier about his "$600,000 war-chest" to fight Get-up and was incredibly visible. I think however, at least in my part of the electorate, the biggest factor was the fuss they made about Ali France not living in the electorate. I think if she had, it would have made the difference to a lot of people. 

Death tax was mentioned on one of the panels on TV. Bowen said the lies about death tax hurt them........ Jones piped in with an immediate...... that’s an outright lie....... in that he said he had a senior labor colleague on his show months ago who said on air...... that it was definitely on their agenda! It is also on the Greens agenda !

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5 minutes ago, trinube said:

Everyone will vote with self interest in mind, regardless of how egalitarian they are. There were definitely policies which would have affected me personally but more importantly there were policies I thought were bad for the country.

It's virtually impossible to get a party who reflect how I feel on all policies so it's a matter of choosing the one which best aligns.

Whilst I voted LNP this time around, they just happened to be a better fit this time around. Having said that...
I think their climate policy sucks.
I hate energy discussion being limited to coal or renewable when I think Nuclear would be preferable.
I don't think workers should be given an above CPI pay increase unless - just like Bob Hawke's Accord - there is some productivity increase in return.
I don't like our immigration policy
Medicare needs to be looked at as it wastes vast sums of money whilst not providing things it should (dental/physio/optical)

Anyway, that goodness it's over - this campaign has really shitted me.
 

Yeah, I agree.

And the scare campaign.  For example the franking credits issue, the Libs ads on that were complete BS.  Our financial adviser (yes, we finally found a good one 😲) crunched the numbers for a selection of her clients and worked out the negative effect on their financial situation was on average 0.75%.

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19 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

Yes, I was just saying exactly the same to my mother & Mrs.

At the end of the day, most people vote with their hip pocket, esp. those poor bastards mortgaged to the eyeballs in a capital city.

I think I'm following the classic pattern of moving a bit more left of centre as I get older & more financially secure & think more about the planet etc. we'll leave for kids/grandkids, which was reflected in my voting this time around (an Independent who I've worked with on renewable energy issues, who I know is morally a good person, but still understands if you want those solutions to work, they have to be economically viable).

If I'd been all about getting $'s into our electorate, I'd have voted Barnaby, but he's crazy as a cut snake & I just couldn't go there.

The problem is that Shorten was going directly after people who have/are working their arses off, saving and investing so that they can retire and not be a burden on society. That's never going to win votes. 

I'm sure everyone wants more to be spent on the needy but to fund it tackle the billions that is wasted on bullshit, not the pockets of those who have worked and sacrificed for it.

People who support Labor go on about how they want more spent here and there, but were quite happy for the Labor party to throw BILLIONS away on things like  road projects that was never even started!! How far that money could have gone in the children's Hospital... absolutely disgraceful.

They seem to not understand that all the money the government spends comes from our pocket

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28 minutes ago, roxii said:

The debate both among the pollies  and the population seemed to be centred on a very small number of hip pocket items.

I think it was more that fact that a high taxing, high spending government is not what the people want, nor is it a divisive figure like Shorten.

If Albo was the opposition leader, it would have been a different result IMO, even though he is also from the left of the ALP

As someone said, it looks like what the county really wants is a centrist government that will govern for all and not look to divide the nation with an us and them mentality

Depending on the makeup of the senate, either we get three years of government or three years of stalling, excuses and stagnation

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Congratulation to the Scott Morrison and the IronJimbo Party.

About a month ago I was doing the B&B swim and at a breakfast, I said to a mate.....I will guarantee you 3 things.

1. Tiger Woods will win another major this year

2. Abbott will be re-elected

3. Shorten will lose an unloseable election.

Polls are no longer reliable and the silent population will come to the fore.

Also at the risk of alienating labor supporters - I still can’t believe people are stupid enough to still vote for Labor under Shorten. The guy should have holidayed in Bali for the last month and shut his mouth..... had he done so he would be prime minister. Albanese would have won. But he does not want the leadership  from what I know. But this may now change things.

Happ Birthday IronJimbo government!

 

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12 minutes ago, trinube said:

Everyone will vote with self interest in mind, regardless of how egalitarian they are. There were definitely policies which would have affected me personally but more importantly there were policies I thought were bad for the country.

I voted against the party that would give me the best financial outcome (or at least from what I worked out on their policies). But if you mean by self interest, voting against a person I can't stand, then I suppose I did.

Both parties have policies that are bad for the country as a whole. But then they are just "policies & promises" and what comes out the other side of this could be completely different.

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9 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

Yeah, I agree.

And the scare campaign.  For example the franking credits issue, the Libs ads on that were complete BS.  Our financial adviser (yes, we finally found a good one 😲) crunched the numbers for a selection of her clients and worked out the negative effect on their financial situation was on average 0.75%.

Maybe you need an accountant rather than a financial adviser.

But from. Labor standpoint it was a stupid policy. If it came in, retirees etc would have most likely dumped share and put money elsewhere. And those dumped shares would have been picked up by other investors who would be eligible for franking credits....therefore the net gain for Labor govt is zero.

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The final spending lies ran at:

Liberal @$11.3 Billion

Labor @$96 Billion.

Massive difference that would need funding. Yep...... more taxes.

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14 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

Yeah, I agree.

And the scare campaign.  For example the franking credits issue, the Libs ads on that were complete BS.  Our financial adviser (yes, we finally found a good one 😲) crunched the numbers for a selection of her clients and worked out the negative effect on their financial situation was on average 0.75%.

that .75% can mean the world to some pensioners that rely on this money.  It wasn't a scare campaign to them. Dumb policy. Bowen should also step aside and all their policies should now be dropped if they wish to survive. 

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12 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

And the scare campaign.

It's frustrating the negativity that accompanies all campaigns.

The Libs tossed some big scares out but they were equalled or surpassed by Labor. 

I simply don't understand why politicians can say pretty much anything during a campaign and there's no legal mechanism for them to be corrected. Don't get me started on election promises that are never delivered. There needs to be accountability - you can't deliver the policy you were voted in on then step down.

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Its an interesting one that will no doubt be poured over for some time.  Best forget the old time polls next time - there are better ways to assess and it involves internet data.  Even the bookies got it wrong

Too much change too soon and the wrong salesman.  I remember returning to this country after some years away and being stunned about how self-centered it had become and how it was drifting away from progressive thinking.  The lack of understanding that if you continue to wind back taxes you will have to take out of the institutions that provide the services such as education, health...   Yes we all know there are inefficiencies but no more that the large companies I have worked in and they provide the opportunity for everyone to succeed.  

Its all become a bit self-centered, see all the super discussions.  Its not set up as a generational wealth transfer system but thats what its being used for.  Ah too much to talk about, anyway onward and upward...

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1 minute ago, BarryBevan said:

Queensland the stupid state

you didn't mention the other states that rejected labor and their muppet....

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1 minute ago, BarryBevan said:

Preference flow from palmer and one nation

If you really think that is the reason they lost the unloseable, you have learnt nothing. 

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1 minute ago, Prince said:

If you really think that is the reason they lost the unloseable, you have learnt nothing. 

It is exactly what happened and Clive gets a mine

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2 minutes ago, symo said:

Its all become a bit self-centered, see all the super discussions.  Its not set up as a generational wealth transfer system but thats what its being used for. 

Super's not about being wealthy, it's  a way to get people off the public purse. Keating recognised the benefit of compulsory super  as a way for people to support themselves because the aged pension simply isn't sustainable with a booming population. It may take a generation or so but the country will benefit enormously from what Keating did in the 90s.

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2 minutes ago, Prince said:

If you really think that is the reason they lost the unloseable, you have learnt nothing. 

Can I learn  from you, how about we have a weekly or monthly on line transitions lecture.

I would normally move back to the UK but they are even worse.

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1 minute ago, BarryBevan said:

 

Can I learn  from you, how about we have a weekly or monthly on line transitions lecture.

I would normally move back to the UK but they are even worse.

It's not that hard-Labor have a reputation for wasting money and taxing people who have worked hard for what they have. That needs to change.

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